Miscellaneous TTC Discussion & Questions

[andyman]

The list is outdated, the 35 Jane ridership includes the 195 at this point. The reason why the 39 is not up top cause it was split with the 199.

The 52 Lawrence West combined with the 58 and some riders from the 59 is at 6th place between the 510 and 501.

No any service on Jane will not affect ridership on Keele. Also ridership on a route isn't a good way to measure service. If the 44 routing was as long as the 45, ridership would be a lot higher. 44, 72 and 87 are all short routes.

The 37 use to be better, it use to be a good alternative to the subway oppose to the 45 but the wait time is just too long now. It's nice cause it doesn't have to enter a massive loop like Kipling before getting into the station. Plus Kipling is more southern meaning more backtracking towards downtown.

I can confirm they are currently working on a schedule fix for the 37....although not 10 min service.

The 73C is a joke also, not that it needs 10 min service but an increase none the less. 45 schedule sucks in between peak also.

What I don't understand is every week the TTC publishes its reliability rankings and every week bus/street car are 57-63% reliable headway....every week. Can't they analyze the data of the worst offenders and adjust the timing? Are they happy to say every week we're 50+% reliable????

[leylandvictory2]

No one is taking the bus to Costco lol. There's also a plaza on Sheppard and some Asian supermarket near Steeles.

The 37 goes through a richer neighbourhood with very low off-peak boarding till Eglinton if not Dixon. I got to say the 68 is much busier than the 37 during middays. Etobicoke transit is quite different than Scarborough transit. People use the bus differently. All the NS routes in Central Etobicoke (46,45,37,73) don't get a lot of off-peak riders south of Eglinton. The buses act like a shuttle and flies through all the stops and interactions. This doesn't happen that often in Scarborough, a bus can't pass 8 stops without stopping. Like the 52G and 32A are expected to zoom through Etobicoke. That's where the regain their lost time if they are late. Especially the 52G, if it stops at every stop like in Scarborough, it's late for sure. Something like the 85 has a schedule design to make all those stops.

Ridership could be the same but the amount of stopping and how many stops people ride varies a lot.

totally agree with you. Try to wait for a 68 bus on Sunday morning, you may have to wait up to 40 minutes.

[raptorjays]

I can confirm they are currently working on a schedule fix for the 37....although not 10 min service.

The 73C is a joke also, not that it needs 10 min service but an increase none the less. 45 schedule sucks in between peak also.

What I don't understand is every week the TTC publishes its reliability rankings and every week bus/street car are 57-63% reliable headway....every week. Can't they analyze the data of the worst offenders and adjust the timing? Are they happy to say every week we're 50+% reliable????

For 37, hope they work on weekday morning and afternoon rush schedule and weekend schedule...

The consistency of the schedule is all over the place right now.

[Ed T.]

It is, but this is being done by TTC Special Constables/Supervisors for the purpose of identifying and dealing with violators(TTC drivers) for the purpose of disciplinary actions by management.This is a Byford initiative started after the recent series of events involving allegedly poor driving practices by TTC operators.

Considering it's always there in the same place (saw it in the evening 6:30 PM as well), and I expect that operators talk to each other, it's pretty symbolic isn't it? Like, you'd have to be totally lost in your own space to be caught speeding, since you should know that the constable is there.

[andyman]

Considering it's always there in the same place (saw it in the evening 6:30 PM as well), and I expect that operators talk to each other, it's pretty symbolic isn't it? Like, you'd have to be totally lost in your own space to be caught speeding, since you should know that the constable is there.

They have been doing radar on Kipling and on Evans for a year now....

For 37, hope they work on weekday morning and afternoon rush schedule and weekend schedule...

The consistency of the schedule is all over the place right now.

Yes the schedule doesn't make sense at times with buses departing the station a min apart or coming down back to back and then nothing for 13 mins....you would think one bus is late but that's just the goofy schedule.

A few mins from the B trip time needs to be moved over to the A as there is not enough time from 27 and Queens Plate and back again....plus sometimes the 12+ min layovers at Humberline while 3 or 4 Finch buses come and go as your almost forced to jump the end to maintain the schedule also adding in the extra time required dealing with the brain dead wonders coming out of the casino.....but that's just my 2 cents.

[T3G]

Orion V, VI, VII, Flyer D40 and D40LF, GM Newlook, Classic and RTS are all Unibody. Never worked on a Orion I or Flyer D901 but I assume the were as well. The only North American buses I can think of off hand that have separate body/frame construction are smaller light to medium duty buses, school buses and possibly some old pre 1950's transit buses.

Many thanks.

Some follow up questions, if I may:

1. What type of body construction is used on the PCCs? CLRVs?

2. Do the different types of body construction have any effect on wheelchair lift installation?

Thanks.

[smallspy]

Many thanks.

Some follow up questions, if I may:

1. What type of body construction is used on the PCCs? CLRVs?

2. Do the different types of body construction have any effect on wheelchair lift installation?

Thanks.

1. Unibody again. Same goes for the Peter Witts.

It should be noted that the vast majority of vehicles built use frames built of tubular steel which is then formed into a truss-like shape, with exterior panels being tack-welded or hung off of the frame. The New Look, Classic and RTS however all were fabricated out of stamped steel sections that were then either rivetted or welded together, like a car. In the case of the New Look and Classic, the exterior panels were also stressed as part of the construction of the vehicle, leading some to use the term "monocoque" when describing them. The RTS used stamped steel and aluminum body panels that were then hung off of the structure, and were not weight-bearing.

2. Not really. Construction methodology, materials, device location and original product design all have far more to do with affecting how a wheelchair lift can be installed.

Dan

[shambala]

Considering it's always there in the same place (saw it in the evening 6:30 PM as well), and I expect that operators talk to each other, it's pretty symbolic isn't it? Like, you'd have to be totally lost in your own space to be caught speeding, since you should know that the constable is there.

Oh, everyone knows about it because the locations and times(rush hrs.) are posted in the division for all to see, but this is targeted to mostly NIS buses running in after the rushes.

[T3G]

1. Unibody again. Same goes for the Peter Witts.

It should be noted that the vast majority of vehicles built use frames built of tubular steel which is then formed into a truss-like shape, with exterior panels being tack-welded or hung off of the frame. The New Look, Classic and RTS however all were fabricated out of stamped steel sections that were then either rivetted or welded together, like a car. In the case of the New Look and Classic, the exterior panels were also stressed as part of the construction of the vehicle, leading some to use the term "monocoque" when describing them. The RTS used stamped steel and aluminum body panels that were then hung off of the structure, and were not weight-bearing.

2. Not really. Construction methodology, materials, device location and original product design all have far more to do with affecting how a wheelchair lift can be installed.

Dan

Brilliant information as always, many thanks.

[leylandvictory2]

Oh, everyone knows about it because the locations and times(rush hrs.) are posted in the division for all to see, but this is targeted to mostly NIS buses running in after the rushes.

Management sometimes use the GPS data to discipline those drivers who are speeding. Sometimes they do unannounced audit in speed at stations such as don Mills and Kennedy

[andyman]

Management sometimes use the GPS data to discipline those drivers who are speeding. Sometimes they do unannounced audit in speed at stations such as don Mills and Kennedy

A grievance was filed by the union over that and they are no longer doing that anymore....using GPS data to catch speeders that is.

[Xtrazsteve]

A grievance was filed by the union over that and they are no longer doing that anymore....using GPS data to catch speeders that is.

GPS isn't 100% accurate. Sometimes it gets lost and stays in a spot. Then it works again which appears to the supervisor that the bus got stopped and then speeding to make up schedule.

[dayone]

GPS isn't 100% accurate. Sometimes it gets lost and stays in a spot. Then it works again which appears to the supervisor that the bus got stopped and then speeding to make up schedule.

Sometimes on the Nextbus Google map a bus will fly off the map or fly into another area

[nfitz]

Sometimes on the Nextbus Google map a bus will fly off the map or fly into another area

It happens ...

[Xtrazsteve]

Sometimes on the Nextbus Google map a bus will fly off the map or fly into another area

It's better to fly off the map as it's evidence of a faulty signal not speeding.

[Ed T.]

What are my chances of catching a 512 Roncesvalles car at St. Clair West, say at around 6:45 PM? I"m coming down the Spadina line and need to get to Bathurst and Queen. This seems like an interesting way to do it.

(Trip planners give me some pretty funny routings from my starting point at 50 Ingram Drive.)

[TTCOpITM]

What are my chances of catching a 512 Roncesvalles car at St. Clair West, say at around 6:45 PM? I"m coming down the Spadina line and need to get to Bathurst and Queen. This seems like an interesting way to do it.

(Trip planners give me some pretty funny routings from my starting point at 50 Ingram Drive.)

I believe the first car to run in around that time is scheduled to leave St. Clair West STN at around 7:20 pm.

[Ed T.]

I believe the first car to run in around that time is scheduled to leave St. Clair West STN at around 7:20 pm.

Ah, okay. I'll probably walk out to Keele, go down to the subway and use the Bathurst car then.

[Xtrazsteve]

I believe the first car to run in around that time is scheduled to leave St. Clair West STN at around 7:20 pm.

Yes, if you look at the nextbus schedule you can see all the runs that runs back to the garage.

First run at 7:21 following at 7:25, 7:31, 7:32, 7:38, 7:39, 7:44, 7:45, 7:50, 7:51, 7:56 and finally 8:03.

The runs are really close together since some runs ends EB at SCW and to the garage while others run WB from St. Clair Stn.

[Ed T.]

Yes, if you look at the nextbus schedule you can see all the runs that runs back to the garage.

First run at 7:21 following at 7:25, 7:31, 7:32, 7:38, 7:39, 7:44, 7:45, 7:50, 7:51, 7:56 and finally 8:03.

The runs are really close together since some runs ends EB at SCW and to the garage while others run WB from St. Clair Stn.

Funny. I stopped off at Queen, then hopped on a 511 down to King. We were followed by a 512 Roncesvalles, who went around the curve to King at about 7:20 PM. So some seem to run in earlier. Although, that was still later than I was looking for.

[IRT_BMT_IND]

Has the TTC installed any glycol units on the TRs, or will we be getting some T1s on YUS this winter?

[ttc rider]

Has the TTC installed any glycol units on the TRs, or will we be getting some T1s on YUS this winter?

Three T1 cars equipped with glycol units (i.e. 5089/5091/5371) have been transferred to Davisville in the past few days:

http://www.cptdb.ca/index.php?showtopic=14271&page=23

Given that the T1 movements are random in terms of specific units being transferred, it is highly unikely this is just a statistical blip. But technically, it could still be due to random chance.

[dowlingm]

We BD line sardines would happily swap for a few TRs

[Bus_Medic]

This is about as miscellaneous as it gets.

Malvern has a new yard tug/tractor:

[shambala]

This is about as miscellaneous as it gets.

Malvern has a new yard tug/tractor:

New toy? We still go old school at MTD.