Doppelkupplung Posted March 11, 2018 Report Share Posted March 11, 2018 Because then people start complaining. I suggested this a few weeks back. result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 14 hours ago, WoodbineSecondExit said: It's time to remove the first 2-3 metres of concrete in the track bed starting from York Street eastward and maybe 2-3 metres of concrete just before the ramp down. I don't want to hear it from the people who are about to say it's impossible to stop 100% of all idiots as an excuse to not do it. Stopping 99% is enough. They have done that already. There is a wheel trap of sorts at the entrance of the tunnel, and has been at least since the ramp to the tunnel was rebuilt 10 years ago. Still doesn't seem to stop people. I would suggest that all of the signage and measures in place are already stopping over 99% of people. Remember, this is only happening once every couple of months now. But for that last 1%, well, you can always find a better idiot. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK78 Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 Why they haven't put a simple automated arm, is beyond me... When they can have these things for condo dwellers, where they stick a sensor in the windshield that the sensor on the arm/gate can read, it opens when you approach. Then have a sensor when the streetcar clears, lower the arm. Even put flashing lights on it, ala railroad crossing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodbineSecondExit Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 3 hours ago, smallspy said: They have done that already. There is a wheel trap of sorts at the entrance of the tunnel, and has been at least since the ramp to the tunnel was rebuilt 10 years ago. Still doesn't seem to stop people. I would suggest that all of the signage and measures in place are already stopping over 99% of people. Remember, this is only happening once every couple of months now. But for that last 1%, well, you can always find a better idiot. Dan The "traps" which exist don't go far enough. It needs to be more of a trench that traps a vehicle on the rails before the driver gets 500m into the tunnel where extraction becomes an ordeal that takes multiple hours with special equipment. Or bollards. Those work fine in the Uk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doppelkupplung Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 30 minutes ago, WoodbineSecondExit said: The "traps" which exist don't go far enough. It needs to be more of a trench that traps a vehicle on the rails before the driver gets 500m into the tunnel where extraction becomes an ordeal that takes multiple hours with special equipment. Or bollards. Those work fine in the Uk. The traps are just deep potholes and are not very significant. I've seen them in person. Heck, a sportscar will be able to handle it, with a bit of grind on the front splitter. They need something deeper, something that goes down the the bottom of the rail, and a gap that is wider than it currently is. This way the car gets trapped sooner, rather than later. That could be done, or spikes could be laid out that are large enough to severely puncture tires. OR, something could like a physical object could be placed strategically to discourage making wrong turns, so perhaps a fence that extends beyond the crosswalk and ends just before the roadway, so that a potential right or left turn is too sharp and difficult to make. That, and a bollard could be placed between tracks that just allows the width of the streetcar to pass. But of course, as Dan said, you can't stop the 1% of people that go full idiot mode. But you can try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, WoodbineSecondExit said: The "traps" which exist don't go far enough. It needs to be more of a trench that traps a vehicle on the rails before the driver gets 500m into the tunnel where extraction becomes an ordeal that takes multiple hours with special equipment. Or bollards. Those work fine in the Uk. So you're saying that a three foot long section of exposed rail, with a one foot long section of encased rail, followed by the exposed rail isn't enough? Because that's what's there at the end of the ramp right now. And what a driver has to go through AFTER all of the other obstacles that have been put in their way Again, you can make the best mousetrap that you want, and there will be a mouse to defeat it. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodbineSecondExit Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 49 minutes ago, Doppelkupplung said: The traps are just deep potholes and are not very significant. I've seen them in person. Heck, a sportscar will be able to handle it, with a bit of grind on the front splitter. They need something deeper, something that goes down the the bottom of the rail, and a gap that is wider than it currently is. This way the car gets trapped sooner, rather than later. That could be done, or spikes could be laid out that are large enough to severely puncture tires. OR, something could like a physical object could be placed strategically to discourage making wrong turns, so perhaps a fence that extends beyond the crosswalk and ends just before the roadway, so that a potential right or left turn is too sharp and difficult to make. That, and a bollard could be placed between tracks that just allows the width of the streetcar to pass. But of course, as Dan said, you can't stop the 1% of people that go full idiot mode. But you can try! That is what I mean. Something much deeper. Call it a pit if you want. Those bumps wouldn't stop anyone. Not gonna get my hopes up seeing how track people seem to dislike having open track and got the Queensway filled in and with other departments wanting nothing to do with visually distinguishing grass beds. Not wanting anything that would be too extreme strikes me as one of those "TTC culture" things like what people have been posting about the games operators are playing on the Long Branch bus. There's no will to rock the boat so nothing of any effect will get done. Bollards would work even better though but I was suggesting a pit in case bollards are too advanced of a technology or too maintenance intensive to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 Snipers. Then hang their bodies from the railing over the portals as a lesson to the others. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drum118 Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 TTC internal report on fare evasion raises red flags over lost revenue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 19 hours ago, WoodbineSecondExit said: That is what I mean. Something much deeper. Call it a pit if you want. Those bumps wouldn't stop anyone. Not gonna get my hopes up seeing how track people seem to dislike having open track and got the Queensway filled in and with other departments wanting nothing to do with visually distinguishing grass beds. There is a pit at the bottom of the ramp. Still doesn't stop 100% of the drivers. Can I remind everyone about the incident where a wayward driver ended up on the platform at Spadina Station? Not only did they have to drive a very, very long way along the exposed rail, but they had to make it past a switch to get there. And that was after passing all of the signs and the pit at the bottom of the ramp. Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTCOpITM Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, smallspy said: There is a pit at the bottom of the ramp. Still doesn't stop 100% of the drivers. Can I remind everyone about the incident where a wayward driver ended up on the platform at Spadina Station? Not only did they have to drive a very, very long way along the exposed rail, but they had to make it past a switch to get there. And that was after passing all of the signs and the pit at the bottom of the ramp. Dan Somebody also made it to the Union station platform which is many times the distance than to the Spadina station platform. How they made it that far over the exposed rail is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed T. Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 Well that's easy; all you need is a pit deep enough to swallow a car/SUV/pickup/truck completely, and a conveyor belt to carry it away before the next one arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leylandvictory2 Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Ed T. said: Well that's easy; all you need is a pit deep enough to swallow a car/SUV/pickup/truck completely, and a conveyor belt to carry it away before the next one arrives. You will have diamond and diamond knocking at your door Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doppelkupplung Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 Nothing is tougher than a diamond. I mean technically you could do it provided you went super slow and balanced your wheels on the rails, but that's a stretch. A lifted pickup could prolly do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lip Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 I'm just looking forward to the amount of cars that will be driving into Humber Loop once it's completed. It's going to make for some great entertainment and i'll certainly have my popcorn ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doppelkupplung Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/03/14/toronto-transit-plans-get-major-boost-from-federal-provincial-governments.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed T. Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 39 minutes ago, Doppelkupplung said: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/03/14/toronto-transit-plans-get-major-boost-from-federal-provincial-governments.html Picture is unseaably small. One-stop subway and extension to Richmond Hill isn't a boost, it's like some more albatrosses to join the Sheppard subway. Great, a breeding colony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
63 Ossington Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Gee-freaking-gee. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/03/15/ttc-suspends-presto-fare-gate-installation-due-to-mechanical-software-problems.html And as of current many stations are still ripped up in various phases of installation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin3157 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, 63 Ossington said: Gee-freaking-gee. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/03/15/ttc-suspends-presto-fare-gate-installation-due-to-mechanical-software-problems.html And as of current many stations are still ripped up in various phases of installation. Scheidt&Bachmann products are well.. pretty unreliable at times. Look at the PRESTO readers, fare gates, fare machines on the streetcars, always out of service and broken... and then there's the GRT fareboxes which take too long to pay a single cash fare... Probably contracted to do all of PRESTO services, so probably that's why people say PRESTO is unreliable, because of faulty equipment... Here's some of their products, might recognize some of them https://www.scheidt-bachmann.de/en/fare-collection-systems/products-solutions/ticketing-devices/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK78 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 hours ago, 63 Ossington said: Gee-freaking-gee. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/03/15/ttc-suspends-presto-fare-gate-installation-due-to-mechanical-software-problems.html And as of current many stations are still ripped up in various phases of installation. What shoddy reporting though... " Since its deployment on the TTC began in 2010, the fare card system has suffered reliability problems, including faulty readers on buses and streetcars, and sluggish payment machines. " and the link talks about the launch on the GO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion V Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 http://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/03/17/car-found-past-queens-quay-station-streetcar-tunnel/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMATAC40LF Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Brad Ross now says the TTC will install a gate mechanism on Queen's Quay. Maybe that'll work... https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/03/17/the-ttc-is-installing-gates-to-stop-drivers-entering-the-queens-quay-tunnel.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK78 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 It only took how many years... hehe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doppelkupplung Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 To the latest tunnel intruder: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfirenet Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Anyone want to start taking bets on how long it will take for someone to crash through the gates and claim they didn't see them? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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