Future TTC Bus Orders

[Bus_Medic]

Just now, T3G said:

Outdoors?

Is it wise to leave them exposed to the elements like that?

1. Zeppelin hangars are hard to find.

2. They’re real buses, not paper ones.

3. The shortage is in electronic modules and printed circuit boards, not aluminum sheet and Sikaflex.

[T3G]

7 minutes ago, Bus_Medic said:

2. They’re real buses, not paper ones.

Thank you for clarifying that for me, I was very confused.

The reason I made my inquiry is not because I struggle to differentiate between paper buses and real ones, but because I have read about buses and trams in Europe which were stored outside for months due to a lack of space and parts at their factory, and this ended up having negative long term impacts on the frame of the vehicle, and they were retired early due to corrosion.

I suppose, given that buses are projected to last for far less time these days than the buses of yore, it's possible that they may not even survive long enough for this to be a concern.

[Bus_Medic]

It’s less than ideal for all involved, but there’s no way around the logistics. Anything weather sensitive will arrive at the factory in its housing suppled by BAE.

Tarps and duct tape any holes, be ready for warranty claims. Tuck & roll, etc.

[FlyerD901]

I do recall hearing rumors about the D40-87 being held outside, when at the flyer plant  , which cause then not to last long. But David Gunn also pointed out the build quality was cheap or no good material when it came to assembly. The D40-90 also had the same fate. But no rumors about them being held outside during production. 

[Bus_Medic]

5 minutes ago, FlyerD901 said:

I do recall hearing rumors about the D40-87 being held outside, when at the flyer plant  , which cause then not to last long. But David Gunn also pointed out the build quality was cheap or no good material when it came to assembly. The D40-90 also had the same fate. But no rumors about them being held outside during production. 

I think those cages weren’t even closed in. These are about as hermetically sealed as a complete bus would be. Windows are in, sheet metal is complete.

[GZ6113PHEV5]

7 hours ago, Young said:

Yes hopefully it’s the pilot so that drivers can start to be trained on it when it’s delivered 

Intesetingly how would they be trained on the newflyer hybrids which they have never had before？

[Young]

11 minutes ago, GZ6113PHEV5 said:

Intesetingly how would they be trained on the newflyer hybrids which they have never had before？

The same way they trained drivers on the Nova artics that we never had before same with the electric buses that we never had before along with the 40ft Nova bus we first got back in 2015 which we never had before. Next time proof read your post before you post it

[Xtrazsteve]

42 minutes ago, GZ6113PHEV5 said:

Intesetingly how would they be trained on the newflyer hybrids which they have never had before？

You wonder how a city gets their first subway line or new plane models being developed. The training is engineered into the development process.

[Violet Evergarden]

Come to think of it, will the TTC specify a different rear end on all XDE40s and XDE60s, the photos here will be for reference (credits to the owners):

Otherwise they may stick to the same rear end as the 3700s.

[bus_7246]

13 hours ago, Kumiko Oumae said:

Come to think of it, will the TTC specify a different rear end on all XDE40s and XDE60s, the photos here will be for reference (credits to the owners):

Otherwise they may stick to the same rear end as the 3700s.

The XE40 (the bus in the top pic) only comes with the rear mounted HVAC unit since the real estate on the roof is already claimed by the other equipment. The XDE40 offers options for the rear, but I personally believe that TTC will go with no rear window

[Bus_Medic]

1 hour ago, bus_7246 said:

The XE40 (the bus in the top pic) only comes with the rear mounted HVAC unit since the real estate on the roof is already claimed by the other equipment. The XDE40 offers options for the rear, but I personally believe that TTC will go with no rear window

The XE model has both. One a/c system for the cabin, the other dedicated solely to battery thermal management.

[Sutharsan]

On 2/9/2023 at 3:21 PM, PrimeTio said:

Production started a few weeks ago on some units. They have a few unfinished buses in Crookston. None are ready for delivery.

It looks like the TTC New Flyer buses next to it but no fleets# yet.

[Ultimate]

On 2/9/2023 at 3:01 PM, PrimeTio said:

Update: Crookston has a bunch of TTC new flyer buses in there lot. Photos will be added later.

Do you have these pictures as of yet?

[PrimeTio]

Look at the new flyer TTC hybrid topic. Photos will be posted on that.

[Mind_the_gap]

It makes no difference whatsoever, but I’m curious whether the TTC will change the placement of the rear LED display on the next batch of Novas to the top-right, since this is where it will be placed on the New Flyers. Not important I know, just wondering.

Example:

Source: @TransitFan84 (Twitter)

[TTC Guy]

2 hours ago, TTC_1203 said:

It makes no difference whatsoever, but I’m curious whether the TTC will change the placement of the rear LED display on the next batch of Novas to the top-right, since this is where it will be placed on the New Flyers. Not important I know, just wondering.

I might have missed it, but where was the placement of the rear destination sign for the Flyers ever confirmed?

[Mind_the_gap]

44 minutes ago, TTC Guy said:

I might have missed it, but where was the placement of the rear destination sign for the Flyers ever confirmed?

I’m going by the assumption that the defacto placement on current New Flyers is top-right. I may be missing something, but I haven’t seen it placed anywhere else on the current version of the Xcelsior.

[TTC Guy]

2 minutes ago, TTC_1203 said:

I’m going by the assumption that the defacto placement on current New Flyers is top-right. I may be missing something, but I haven’t seen it placed anywhere else on the current version of the Xcelsior.

The current TTC Xcelsiors have them located in the centre of the rear, now those are XE40's but the design is available the same way on the XDEs

[Mind_the_gap]

32 minutes ago, TTC Guy said:

The current TTC Xcelsiors have them located in the centre of the rear, now those are XE40's but the design is available the same way on the XDEs

Ah, thank you. I wasn’t aware of that.

Edit: I do like the rear on the TTC’s XE40s. About as good as it gets without a rear window.

[FlyerD901]

5 hours ago, TTC_1203 said:

Ah, thank you. I wasn’t aware of that.

Edit: I do like the rear on the TTC’s XE40s. About as good as it gets without a rear window.

The grill helps , compared to a flat bring surface. 

[Violet Evergarden]

Just food for thought, wouldn’t the TTC add one more 40' bus to either XDE40 or LFS HEV fleets and the 60' bus to the XDE60 orders as replacements for #8573 and #9003? When the TTC ordered 60 VIIs back in 2012, they added two more as replacement units for the fire victims unless the insurance covers the crash victims.

[Orion V]

37 minutes ago, Kumiko Oumae said:

Just food for thought, wouldn’t the TTC add one more 40' bus to either XDE40 or LFS HEV fleets and the 60' bus to the XDE60 orders as replacements for #8573 and #9003? When the TTC ordered 60 VIIs back in 2012, they added two more as replacement units for the fire victims unless the insurance covers the crash victims.

Maybe these 3 batches already have those 2 units accounted for.

[Mar_AC_23]

12 hours ago, Kumiko Oumae said:

Just food for thought, wouldn’t the TTC add one more 40' bus to either XDE40 or LFS HEV fleets and the 60' bus to the XDE60 orders as replacements for #8573 and #9003? When the TTC ordered 60 VIIs back in 2012, they added two more as replacement units for the fire victims unless the insurance covers the crash victims.

The TTC's bus fleet is surplus so I don't think there would be a need to add extra buses to the hybrid order.

[81-717]

14 hours ago, Kumiko Oumae said:

Just food for thought, wouldn’t the TTC add one more 40' bus to either XDE40 or LFS HEV fleets and the 60' bus to the XDE60 orders as replacements for #8573 and #9003? When the TTC ordered 60 VIIs back in 2012, they added two more as replacement units for the fire victims unless the insurance covers the crash victims.

I thought they had already added an extra bus to one of the previous LFS orders to replace 8573?

[T3G]

I do find the notion of waiting 7 years to replace 8573 to be ludicrous. Surely, if it were that essential to do so, it's happened already.

If they haven't been replaced yet, the numbers certainly don't suggest those two units are in any way missed. In May 2012, the service summary called for 1476 buses to be in service over the morning rush hour, against a fleet of 1843. 80% of the fleet was in use.

https://swanboatsteve.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/service_summary_2012_05_06.pdf

Today, the service summary calls for 1440 buses to be in service over the morning rush hour, against a fleet of 2043. Only 70% of the fleet is in use. We could safely reduce the bus fleet by 200 odd units and we'd still be only at 2012 resource usage levels.

https://swanboatsteve.files.wordpress.com/2023/02/service-summary_2023-02-12.pdf