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1 hour ago, Shaun said:

So if Bombardier goes under and is not able to merge with another company who will own the patents and technical knowledge of how to build more Flexity Streetcars? Will the TTC be able to tender the same cars with another manufacturer?

 

 

It depends on how the company is broken up and sold off. Who every buys BBD as a whole or part, they get patents and technical knowledge for the product that BBD built for that part only. If the whole rail division is sold off, everything everything from patents and technical knowledge to plants and jigs goes to the buyer. The buyer will decide if any plants will close or sold off based on needs and other things. 

The writing been on the wall well over 2-3 years that Thunder Bay was heading for closure as there was nothing on the books after TTC and GO order were completed. Kingston has the best chance staying open than Thunder Bay.

TTC will get another car from X manufacture based on TTC spec and will be built on X model that meets TTC spec. The only way TTC can get the same car as the Flexity is X manufacture buying the Patent either from BBD or the company that bought it if they weren't the buyer in the first place.

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4 hours ago, 43 Kennedy said:

Looks like 4603 entered service on 501 last Thursday.

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I posted on Monday that 4603 was doing in service testing. In fact, it was in service testing as a 501 and 301 rest of the day and night and became a dot well heading to the barn. Considering the fact that 4603 was off loaded on Jan 24, impossible for it be in service 5 days after arrival when the shortest has been 8 days a few years ago. 12-17 days these days. It along 4601 & 4406 in the service bay at this time. 4601 been here 11 days so far and 4406 been here 44 days

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2 hours ago, ttc rider said:

Car 4405 is back on property after 299 days. It was sent off to La Pocatiere on April 10, 2019.

It was unloaded at Hillcrest this morning (i.e. Mon, Feb. 3). Car 4538 was used to tow it off of the railcar transporter.

It also tracking at Hillcrest.

4406 and 4603 out testing last night and currently in the service bay with 4601

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Now 4407 is on its way from Quebec, will Kingston see it first or will Hillcrest?? Was loaded June 7, 2019 at Hillcrest for Quebec.

4406 is taking longer than 4400 for reenter service and spending time on the service yard track these days that its GPS was missing over 2 days

4601 been spending time on the service tracks as well was out testing Tuesday and early Wed.

Looks like 4603 may go into service before 4601, as it and 4405 are the only cars out of the 4 currently in the service bay.

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4603 is westbound King St and has enter service as a 310 after arriving January 24, 2019. Will become an 510 (kg510) once on Spadina. 

4406 and 4601 are out in the yard on the service track most of Friday and still there. They have spent time this week on that track

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Anyone know what up with 4601 that been sitting on the service track in the yard the last 2 weeks considering it arrived January 21, 2019? It should be in service now.

4406 is not tracking anymore for the last day or so and was last seen 2 days ago when it was tracking. Arrived December 19, 2019.

4405 was last seen a day ago after it arrived February 3, 2020 and has spent most of its time in the service bay.

I am assuming 4407 is still sitting in Montreal due rail closure.

That was a nice PR Photo of 4471 sitting in TB plant that was to be ship to TTC since no reports that it been ship or off loaded so far.

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7 hours ago, drum118 said:

Anyone know what up with 4601 that been sitting on the service track in the yard the last 2 weeks considering it arrived January 21, 2019? It should be in service now.

4406 is not tracking anymore for the last day or so and was last seen 2 days ago when it was tracking. Arrived December 19, 2019.

4405 was last seen a day ago after it arrived February 3, 2020 and has spent most of its time in the service bay.

I am assuming 4407 is still sitting in Montreal due rail closure.

That was a nice PR Photo of 4471 sitting in TB plant that was to be ship to TTC since no reports that it been ship or off loaded so far.

the tracking system reset last Sunday.  So if the vehicle wasn't turn on after Sunday, it won't be tracked.

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10 hours ago, Orion V said:

What's going on with 4401? It's a month after the last unit was delivery. Does it take them this long to finish this unit?

Well they didn't do 4400 or 4402 in a month, and it has to get the frame welds done on top of that.

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22 minutes ago, Transit geek said:

Maybe they are going to use it as a VISION pilot car -

Huh? There already is a VISION pilot car - 4486 - and it didn't have to leave the city to get that equipment. And even if they were doing another, how would that explain its prolonged absence? It's hardly of much use to anyone if they can't test it here.

23 minutes ago, Transit geek said:

complete with digital route maps and the such (photo not necessary).

What indication has the TTC given that this is an avenue they are pursuing?

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19 hours ago, Orion V said:

What's going on with 4401? It's a month after the last unit was delivery. Does it take them this long to finish this unit?

It took close to a year to get 4400 & 4402 rebuilt as production cars. 4400 was shipped to Ottawa for testing and then to Thunder Bay Sept 2013 and return July 4, 2014. 4402 was Shipped To Thunder Bay June 12, 2015 and return November 24, 2016

4601 still sitting on the service track in the yard and been there over 2 weeks. No idea what wrong with it considering it arrived Jan 21

4406 is back tracking after been off line a week that arrived December 19, 2019 and 4405 was last seen a day ago that arrived February 3, 2020. Could be they are having VISION installed in them.

4471 & 4478 still in Thunder Bay.

4401 could be here by June.

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Car 4403 is back on property after 372 days. It was sent off to La Pocatiere on February 20, 2019.

It was delivered directly to Leslie by flatbed truck this morning (i.e. Thu, Feb. 27, 2020).

On ‎2‎/‎24‎/‎2020 at 8:09 AM, PCC Guy said:

Well they didn't do 4400 or 4402 in a month, and it has to get the frame welds done on top of that.

The re-welding on car 4401 had been completed in La Pocatiere before the car was sent to Thunder Bay in late April last year.

On ‎2‎/‎24‎/‎2020 at 5:39 PM, drum118 said:

4406 is back tracking after been off line a week that arrived December 19, 2019 and 4405 was last seen a day ago that arrived February 3, 2020. Could be they are having VISION installed in them.

Car 4406 was re-delivered on December 16, 2019, not December 19. VISION installation appears to be done at Hillcrest. So far, cars 4457, 4486, 4516 & 4538 are done, with cars 4418 & 4509 being worked on currently.

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On 2/27/2020 at 7:34 PM, ttc rider said:

Car 4403 is back on property after 372 days. It was sent off to La Pocatiere on February 20, 2019.

It was delivered directly to Leslie by flatbed truck this morning (i.e. Thu, Feb. 27, 2020).

Was it the blockade that forced bombardier not to use Rail? Could of used CP from Montreal 

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8 hours ago, TTC T6H-5307N 2252 said:

Was it the blockade that forced bombardier not to use Rail? Could of used CP from Montreal 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't La Pocatiere served by CN? If so, wouldn't the interchange cost from CN to CP be more expensive then the cost of just using the truck the whole way?

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18 hours ago, meltingtomato said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't La Pocatiere served by CN? If so, wouldn't the interchange cost from CN to CP be more expensive then the cost of just using the truck the whole way?

All the cars shipped from Quebec go to Kingston first so far that is on CN tracks. Sound like Kingston is putting the cars back together before being ship to TTC. Being taking about 40-45 days for a car to go back into service once TTC has it, but 4406 has taken 76 days so far and not in service at tis time. Other than 4403 due to no rail service, all cars have been shipped by rail to TTC from Kingston.

4402 is out testing on St Clair that been missing for some time.

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