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7 hours ago, dowlingm said:

Per FlexityTracker (and a glance at Transsee to confirm) 4438 is in service on the 510

However, something must have happened to it, because it was changed-off just after the morning peak with car 4402 and it has been sitting at Leslie since.

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5 hours ago, soo8513 said:

I presume the new car inventory is being built up with no cars used outside of 509/510/514 weekdays until activation on the 512 in September.

 

 

Why would they use it on another route? They can't be assigned to Roncy runs yet. The 504 has ALRVs.

TTC has claimed that the 514 was converted in May and is now low floor streetcar operated from the King/Sumach intersection noise presentation. 

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1 hour ago, T15111 said:

They want 50 driver from roncy to go to russell for sept for 512 good luck with that.......

bahaha, very soon they won't have any streetcars on the 512. Eventually half the ops from Roncy and Russell would end up at Leslie. Roncy would only get 50-60 new cars compared to the 100+ CLRVs/ALRVs they have. If the TTC doesn't buy 60 more, there would be a reduction of streetcar ops.

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16 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said:

Why would they use it on another route? They can't be assigned to Roncy runs yet. The 504 has ALRVs.

For the same reason the oldest buses sat in the garages until needed for peak services only? Use the newest ones for as much base service as you can and keep the junkiest ones off of the road as much as possible.

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On ‎6‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 7:50 PM, soo8513 said:

I presume the new car inventory is being built up with no cars used outside of 509/510/514 weekdays until activation on the 512 in September.

There were a couple of times last month when one Flexity was deployed on 511 on weekdays, as well, but as an unscheduled extra, not as part of scheduled service. They are being deployed on 511 on weekends (and almost exclusively so), so I don't understand why they are not used during weekdays, as well. As far as demand in rush hour is concerned, the 511 can certainly benefit from the larger cars. Right now, a maximum of 31 Flexities are needed for 509/510/514 on weekdays, leaving 7 for training/maintenance/spares, which seems a bit on the high side.

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9 hours ago, Transit geek said:

So...511 is back to CLRV operation for the time being?

It has been appearing to be running on half C's, half A's, with ridiculous bunching/gapping. 

 

Also 4439 was back on St.Clair tonight at 10 PM, still signed NIS. It also has a Canada flag affixed already to the retriever rope.

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Everyone wishes they ran buses. With the current crappy management, even with all Flexities, it would be the same. The 510 is still as bad as before.

My only hope is the new Vision system with real time monitoring and APC info would make good predictions of gaps before they happen. This would give the supervisor to tweak each run and see what effects it has on the line (before it happens) within the next little while. The real question is will TTC have smart enough people to take advantage of such technology? Those on street supervisors can go home. Seriously, APC can do their job and their data transmitted to headquarters in real time. If they really need to know what the street looks like, install a few webcams on the route.

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1 hour ago, 63 Ossington said:

It has been appearing to be running on half C's, half A's, with ridiculous bunching/gapping. 

Actually, it has been half-decent for the past few weeks. During daytime, the C's are rare and when they do show up, they are mainly used as unscheduled extras, in addition to the 9 scheduled ALRV's. Only late in the evenings do they replace the A's, but overcrowding is probably not an issue at that time of the day. The main problem with 511 is not "line management" per se, but the woefully inadequate running time. I think it's the only streetcar route whose schedule was not revised in recent years by giving additional running time, so it is basically impossible to keep up with the schedule during the day. No technology is needed to solve this issue, just write a realistic schedule. Don't understand why we have to put up sometimes with years of bad service before someone realizes that maybe schedules from 20 years ago are not so good nowadays.

42 minutes ago, Xtrazsteve said:

Everyone wishes they ran buses. With the current crappy management, even with all Flexities, it would be the same. The 510 is still as bad as before.

Bus service on 511 was just as bunched as the streetcars. It wasn't any faster either. Its only advantage was that it was more frequent on paper, so even with bunching the average wait time was shorter, which is probably why it was perceived to be "better" overall. Crowding is much more tolerable with streetcars (I'm talking about "normal" service provided with A's, not the screw-up in the first couple of days after streetcar service resumed when they "forgot" to deploy ALRVs and there were sending only C's instead) . By the way, 510 is actually quite good from my experience, and certainly better than a few years ago, so the extra running time has definitely helped.

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12 hours ago, ttc rider said:

There were a couple of times last month when one Flexity was deployed on 511 on weekdays, as well, but as an unscheduled extra, not as part of scheduled service. They are being deployed on 511 on weekends (and almost exclusively so), so I don't understand why they are not used during weekdays, as well. As far as demand in rush hour is concerned, the 511 can certainly benefit from the larger cars. Right now, a maximum of 31 Flexities are needed for 509/510/514 on weekdays, leaving 7 for training/maintenance/spares, which seems a bit on the high side.

Due to continuous training of current and new employees, the spare factor of 7 cars during the week will remain to the end of the board period. 

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6 hours ago, TheAverageJoe said:

? You mean the newer low floors? They have been on 511 for a while

Never saw one the Day I walked from College To Fleet last week. The odd CLRV was on the route with the rest being ALRV.

Someone finally relies its time to look at other suppliers for the additional 60 plus cars that were suppose to be order in 2015 once the 60th car arrived that will not happen until Nov this year if there is no delays to the current production delivery. Should happen in 2016.

This is on TTC agenda for next week meeting.

http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Commission_meetings/2017/July_12/Reports/14_Notice_of_Motion_Procurement_of_LRT_Vehicles.pdf

Still have to find the funds to buy them since the city is currently paying 66% of the current cost now. 

Better have a stronger penalty clause for late delivery with more teeth in it than the current one.

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56 minutes ago, drum118 said:

Someone finally relies its time to look at other suppliers for the additional 60 plus cars that were suppose to be order in 2015 once the 60th car arrived that will not happen until Nov this year if there is no delays to the current production delivery. Should happen in 2016.

This is on TTC agenda for next week meeting.

http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Commission_meetings/2017/July_12/Reports/14_Notice_of_Motion_Procurement_of_LRT_Vehicles.pdf

Still have to find the funds to buy them since the city is currently paying 66% of the current cost now. 

Better have a stronger penalty clause for late delivery with more teeth in it than the current one.

IOW, just as Bombardier are finally getting their act together and more or less sticking to a delivery schedule, you're going to do a competitive tender for a subfleet of streetcars incompatible with the ones Bombardier is building? After how difficult it was to get a design that worked with the TTC's guideway infrastructure in the first place?

I get that Bombardier shat the bed with the contract before, but does it really make sense at this point to do a separate tender for 60 more cars? Or is this just a desire to punish Bombardier?

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1 hour ago, dowlingm said:

Denzil Minnan Wong does not have the downtown's interest at heart. A motion from him on a TTC matter is worth suspicion, based on past actions.

In that case, do you have any idea on how he or the other councilors voted on this proposal that has been making the news for pretty much all day today?

http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/viewAgendaItemHistory.do?item=2017.EX26.1

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4 hours ago, GORDOOM said:

IOW, just as Bombardier are finally getting their act together and more or less sticking to a delivery schedule, you're going to do a competitive tender for a subfleet of streetcars incompatible with the ones Bombardier is building? After how difficult it was to get a design that worked with the TTC's guideway infrastructure in the first place?

I get that Bombardier shat the bed with the contract before, but does it really make sense at this point to do a separate tender for 60 more cars? Or is this just a desire to punish Bombardier?

The Skoda cars with Jacobs bogeys look nice. Can they be adapted to Toronto? The ride going around curves and turns on the Flexity isn't very nice and certainly could be a lot better.

Unrelated question does anyone know what's happening on King? I saw 504 buses today and the TTC twitter just says "rail issues"

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