Toronto Rocket Subway Cars

[Shaun]

Possibly, or maybe the throttle is a little weaker. Well, the Hawkers don't have speedometers so that's kinda tough to tell. Also, could be the operators have been trained not to overspeed like the previous ones did back in the mid 1960's when the early Hawkers came on the system.

That combined with the fact that we now have timed signals?

Recently i've noticed 8,9,10 minute headways even in rush hour.

[Turtle]

Are the TR and T1 trains slower than H1 and H2 trains?

Maybe they seem slower because they have a smoother ride?

TR trains are slower accelerating than T1 from a standstill. Uphill, the TRs are slower than the T1s, up to 10km/h in some cases. TRs are aweful over 3rd rail gaps, they take a long time to "recover". The biggest delay on the TRs compared to T1s is the extra time required at each stop before the doors will open.

The T1s are slower than the Hawkers.

Mostly irrelevant because they aren't managing the headways efficiently. The line runs like a big accordian. Headway control needs to be more finite, which will come with ATO.

[Shaun]

The fact that they are slower uphill could most likely be fixed by re-programming the computer to output more power when it's not reaching it's maximum speed. The acceleration could be fixed the same way also, since the computer controls all of those functions.

They cant adjust headways without ATO?

[ttc rider]

To best way to adjust headways is to write a realistic schedule with realistic running times. Why does Service Planning seem unable to do that? The 'schedule' on the YUS is complete fiction, including on weekends, when there is less demand and therefore fewer opportunities for 'passanger-related' delay. Just look at the number of crew change-overs taking place every day.

[Shaun]

It's quite possible that the slow orders are not taken into consideration. Especially the one at Finch now. I dont know if that one will be resolved anytime soon.

[Turtle]

The fact that they are slower uphill could most likely be fixed by re-programming the computer to output more power when it's not reaching it's maximum speed. The acceleration could be fixed the same way also, since the computer controls all of those functions.

They cant adjust headways without ATO?

Yes, they could program a different acceleration curve into the TRs if they wanted. Even the T1s can be reprogrammed. The T1s were programmed to match the acceleration curve of the H5s.

Instead of adjusting headways reactively at 5 points on the YUS, they should have the ability to do it at every station. Like ttc rider suggested, change the schedules. If they scheduled in at least 10 seconds dwell time at every stop when the doors are fully open, even at light stations like Glencairn, and eliminated the 1-5 minute holds at IPHC stations, it would balance the line out better. That way, if a train was falling behind, it could catch up by spending slightly less time at the stations. ttc rider is right by saying they should adjust the schedules. The biggest issue I think is how they are currently managing the headways.

With ATO, you take driver skill/style completely out of the equation. Every train will operate the same way. The only differences will be servicing the platforms with differing passenger loads and operator speed. Control will even be able to put a train in a sort of "catch-up" mode where it will operate faster than other trains or they could slow down other trains.

It's the same issue on the surface, some operators drive faster than the speed limit and take greater risks, while others are overly cautious or just don't care and drive slow on purpose.

It's quite possible that the slow orders are not taken into consideration. Especially the one at Finch now. I dont know if that one will be resolved anytime soon.

The schedule is set, and does not change for slow orders. It is one source of delays from the schedule.

[TDE]

So maybe the Commission is indeed looking at this forum or recognized it themselves. But 20 minutes ago the 578 train set with 5803 had the 0 and 8 removed from the exterior. So likely it will await replacement with "7" and "8" number labels this time around.

[Token Dispenser]

So maybe the Commission is indeed looking at this forum or recognized it themselves. But 20 minutes ago the 578 train set with 5803 had the 0 and 8 removed from the exterior. So likely it will await replacement with "7" and "8" number labels this time around.

maybe they'll just trade it with the 580 set with that 5783

[38 Highland Creek]

maybe they'll just trade it with the 580 set with that 5783

I don't think so. Trainset 580 will have 5803 on both areas of the "number 3" car, no matter how the number is assigned. You can't assign a number not matching the set number (first 3 digits) with the other one and renumber it that number.

[soo8513]

finally rode set 579 this morning. Only missing 581 set (I'm presuming 582 set has yet to be assembled). Will watch for sets 578 and 580.

[Token Dispenser]

For those wondering about the removal of the numbers

You can still see the outline of the 8 and 0

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[IRT_BMT_IND]

Instead of adjusting headways reactively at 5 points on the YUS, they should have the ability to do it at every station.

I think it might be a good to have special holding signals at each station that operate independent of the block signals, or headway clocks like in Moscow.

[smallspy]

So maybe the Commission is indeed looking at this forum or recognized it themselves. But 20 minutes ago the 578 train set with 5803 had the 0 and 8 removed from the exterior. So likely it will await replacement with "7" and "8" number labels this time around.

What makes you think that it was someone at the TTC who removed the numbers?

Dan

[shambala]

So maybe the Commission is indeed looking at this forum or recognized it themselves. But 20 minutes ago the 578 train set with 5803 had the 0 and 8 removed from the exterior. So likely it will await replacement with "7" and "8" number labels this time around.

Think you're giving them way too much credit on this one.

[D. DeLarge]

What makes you think that it was someone at the TTC who removed the numbers?

Dan

Renegade transit fans, running around the system late at night, quickly peeling off the offending numbers bit-by-bit at each station stop before boarding again, determined to renumber the car to its correct sequence number.

It's madness I tell you. And it needs to be stopped.

[Viva5113]

541x recieved Hobbit wrap also 565x recived wrap But I forget what kind of wrap

[Robert Lubinski]

What was the first day that anyone observed 5801-06 in service? Thanks.

[VivaLa1517]

What was the first day that anyone observed 5801-06 in service? Thanks.

I rode the set last Wednesday, but I'm not sure if it's been in service earlier than that.

[6254]

I saw 5801-06 on training Nov 1, then in service on Nov 13.

[Robert Lubinski]

Thanks for the replies, very helpful. Plese keep posting sightings of new trains coming into service as soon as you see them.

[lilgopher]

5825 noted on a flatbed, turning from eastbound Sheppard onto southbound Keele at about 1:20pm yesterday.

Renegade transit fans, running around the system late at night, quickly peeling off the offending numbers bit-by-bit at each station stop before boarding again, determined to renumber the car to its correct sequence number.

It's madness I tell you. And it needs to be stopped.

LOL!

[soo8513]

Dec 02 AM: (110) 5806-5805-5804-5783-5802-5801 nbd @ College (5783 exterior, 5803 interior with same interior script as 5803/5783)

[soo8513]

My son-in-law spotted 5824 near Jane & 7 on Friday.

[soo8513]

Dec 2: what luck. Rode the 580-set to work in AM & the 578-set home in PM. The 3rd car is still externally labelled 5--3 and internally 5803. Still searching for 581 set.

[TTCNLFBT]

581x was doing testing/training at Downsview station this afternoon.