MAX BRT Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Thanks to both of you for shedding light on the subject. (And PT for prototype makes good sense to me.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-Orion-VI-Transit-Bus-Brochure-Canada-Detroit-Diesel-wt1761-/350753228620?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51aa85874c 1995 Orion VI brochure with specifications. SPECIFICATIONS (FROM BROCHURE) TYPE: Low floor city bus DIMENSIONS: Length: 40' (12.192 m) Width: 102" (2591 mm) Height: 118" (2997 mm) Front overhang (incl. bumper): 127.5" (3238 mm) Wheelbase: 278" (7061 mm) Turning radius: 39' 7" (12.06 m) Curb weight: 24,500 lbs. (11,113 kg) GVW: 38,000 lbs. (17,236 kg) DOORS Front: clear width 35" (889 mm), floor height 14" (356 mm) Center: clear width 43" (1092 mm), floor height 14" (356 mm) Rear (optional): clear width 43" (1092 mm) SUSPENSION Front suspension: ZF RLE-66 Type: Independent, McPherson strut Capacity: 14,520 lbs. (6586 kg) Rear axle: ZF AV-131/80, 102" width (2591 mm) Type: Drop center, offset differential Capacity: 28,600 lbs. (12,973 kg) DRIVE TRAIN Engine: Detroit Diesel Series 50 or Cummins L10 Transmission: ZF 5HP590 or Allison B400R5 Tire size: 275/70R22.5 (305/70R22.5 in U.S.) Road clearance: 10° approach, 9° departure, 10° breakover Fuels: Diesel, CNG HVAC: Thermoking (roof mount), 110,000 BTU (27,720 Kcal) Driver's seat: Recaro CL-1 or customer spec. ~Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiExpress Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 To add to Railbus63's post in this thread: http://www.cptdb.ca/index.php?showtopic=11231&view=findpost&p=611014 The University of Vermont's Campus Transit has also purchased 3 ex Orion sales/demo buses - 2 CNG and 1 hybrid. Campus Transit already has a few Orion VIIs new to them in their fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) ftp://nhtsa.gov/MfrM...2-N11B-3490.pdf Here's a link to a letter from 1989 from Orion Bus to NHTSA. In it are the engine specifications. The engine code numbers are: 1. Detroit Diesel 6V71TA 2. Detroit Diesel 6V71N 3. Detroit Diesel 6V53T DR (what does the "DR" mean anyway?) 4. Detroit Diesel 6V53T 5. Detroit Diesel 6V53N (C40 injectors) 6. Detroit Diesel 6V53N (C45 injectors) 7. Detroit Diesel 6V92TA and 6V92TAC 8. GM 8.2L (145 hp) 9. Cummins NHHTC (290 hp) A. Cummins 4BT3.9 B. Cummins 4BTA3.9 C. Ford LGS 870-6003C D. Ford EGAE-9C485-AEN E. Cummins L10 (diesel) F. Detroit Diesel 6L71TA G. GM 454 V8 (natural gas) H. Caterpillar 3208 J. GM 350 V8 (gas) K. Cummins L10 (natural gas) L. GM 350 V8 (natural gas) M. GM 427 V8 (gas) Orion I's would have encompassed the following engine type codes in their VIN numbers: 1-7, E, H and K. The Cat 3208 (code "H") was only used in the 30' configuration. The Orion II's would have encompassed these engine type codes in their VIN numbers: 8, A or B. Orion III: either 9 or F. Orion IV: C, D, J, L or M. Orion V: 7, E or K. ~Ben Edited February 27, 2014 by Benjamin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted March 1, 2014 Board Admin Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 ftp://nhtsa.gov/MfrM...2-N11B-3490.pdf Here's a link to a letter from 1989 from Orion Bus to NHTSA. In it are the engine specifications. The engine code numbers are: 1. Detroit Diesel 6V71TA 2. Detroit Diesel 6V71N 3. Detroit Diesel 6V53T DR (what does the "DR" mean anyway?) 4. Detroit Diesel 6V53T 5. Detroit Diesel 6V53N (C40 injectors) 6. Detroit Diesel 6V53N (C45 injectors) 7. Detroit Diesel 6V92TA and 6V92TAC 8. GM 8.2L (145 hp) 9. Cummins NHHTC (290 hp) A. Cummins 4BT3.9 B. Cummins 4BTA3.9 C. Ford LGS 870-6003C D. Ford EGAE-9C485-AEN E. Cummins L10 (diesel) F. Detroit Diesel 6L71TA G. GM 454 V8 (natural gas) H. Caterpillar 3208 J. GM 350 V8 (gas) K. Cummins L10 (natural gas) L. GM 350 V8 (natural gas) M. GM 427 V8 (gas) Orion I's would have encompassed the following engine type codes in their VIN numbers: 1-7, E, H and K. The Cat 3208 (code "H") was only used in the 30' configuration. The Orion II's would have encompassed these engine type codes in their VIN numbers: 8, A or B. Orion III: either 9 or F. Orion IV: C, D, J, L or M. Orion V: 7, E or K. ~Ben Cool find! Thanks for sharing that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Cool find! Thanks for sharing that! You're welcome. I already noticed all this info had been sourced for the Orion I identification guide here on CPTDB Wiki. ~Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I hope this is the right place to put this.. Does anyone know the length of the wheelchair lifts of the Orion Vs when deployed? How much room on the street would one of these need to fold out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I hope this is the right place to put this.. Does anyone know the length of the wheelchair lifts of the Orion Vs when deployed? How much room on the street would one of these need to fold out? Lift-U's Solid Platform Lift (commonly found on lift equipped V's) extends to slightly over a meter when deployed.http://www.lift-u.com/products/liftsramps-for-transit/solidplatformlift-lu10/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Lift-U's Solid Platform Lift (commonly found on lift equipped V's) extends to slightly over a meter when deployed. http://www.lift-u.co...tformlift-lu10/ Much obliged, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) 2B1529U76T6032596 This is a VIN number from a now-retired 1996 model Orion V that was in service for SPORTRAN in Shreveport, Louisiana. The "U" indicates this bus used a Cummins M11-280E engine. ~Ben Edited March 27, 2014 by Benjamin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 I have some questions regarding the following early Orion I model configurations. They are: (1) Is it true models 01.504 and 01.506, both 35-foot models, were virtually the same but were geared toward being marketed in Canada and the USA respectively? I know for certain there are more 01.504s in Canada and 01.506s in the USA. Both disappeared in early 1984 when these were both superseded by the 36-foot model 01.507. (2) Were any of the early suburban-configuration models, 01.503 (30 foot) and 01.505 (35 foot), ever spoken for in the USA? Of those, how many of these American-bound examples got out with the DD 6V92TA engine in the years after 1982? ~Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big CJ Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 I have some questions regarding the following early Orion I model configurations. They are: (1) Is it true models 01.504 and 01.506, both 35-foot models, were virtually the same but were geared toward being marketed in Canada and the USA respectively? I know for certain there are more 01.504s in Canada and 01.506s in the USA. Both disappeared in early 1984 when these were both superseded by the 36-foot model 01.507. (2) Were any of the early suburban-configuration models, 01.503 (30 foot) and 01.505 (35 foot), ever spoken for in the USA? Of those, how many of these American-bound examples got out with the DD 6V92TA engine in the years after 1982? ~Ben I have an answer for question number two. A number of 01.505s ran for GrayLine Tours in Florida, however they were used buses. They were originally owned by GreyGoose in Canada. All had 6v71Ns and Allison MT-644s. Also Laidlaw of Orlando may have had 01.505s as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) I have an answer for question number two. A number of 01.505s ran for GrayLine Tours in Florida, however they were used buses. They were originally owned by GreyGoose in Canada. All had 6v71Ns and Allison MT-644s. Also Laidlaw of Orlando may have had 01.505s as well. Thank you. I am, of course, referring to those examples with a "6" as the 11th digit (plant code for Oriskany, NY) in their VINs. ~Ben Edited March 29, 2014 by Benjamin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) While I know that all "suburban" configuration buses have all front-facing seats and no back door, could anyone please help me distinguish these two 35' long transit-seat models, 01.506 (1982-1984) and the earlier 01.504 (1979-1984)? Both were replaced by the 36' long model 01.507 in 1984. ~Ben Edited January 4, 2015 by Benjamin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detroit Diesel 6V92TA Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 I know this is pretty broad, but does anyone know how many Orion I's are still known to exist? SF Muni does have 9010 as a historic bus and 9030 sitting around as a former mobile command center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdude.com Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 in Washington that I know of there are: 3? ex Wenatchee 1.503s at Bates Technical college 2 ex Wenatchee 1.503s running with Leavenworth Taxi and Shuttle There was one running with A&A motor coach in Wenatchee Yakima Transit May have one, along with Jefferson Transit, nothing confirmed though. and of course there's mine, ex Pierce Transit. The only other ex PT units I know of went to Yakima and a few have wound up with new owners after retirement from there. http://i.imgur.com/IPe4rtc.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vv5dGcy.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DXe6Gz6.jpg I believe the Commonwealth Coach museum has one as well, and maybe even the Chicagoland bus museum. The Winnipeg guys have one as a historical museum, I thought Brampton Transit had a historical unit, and there's one operator up there that may still have some ex Golden Empire Transit units in service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I know this is pretty broad, but does anyone know how many Orion I's are still known to exist? SF Muni does have 9010 as a historic bus and 9030 sitting around as a former mobile command center. Only ones I know of are the one in Manitoba, The Ex-Brockville 1991 unit is around im pretty sure, Sarnia Transit has 4 left in service for now, There is an Ex-Richmond Hill unit in New Market, Ex-Kingston unit in Kingston, Ex-Guelph 132 MIGHT be scrapped as it was last seen in Hamilton, and theres a few hidden ones around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdude.com Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I forgot to mention, the Washington state department of licensing has ex Pierce Transit #440, in use at their CDL program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detroit Diesel 6V92TA Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Only ones I know of are the one in Manitoba, The Ex-Brockville 1991 unit is around im pretty sure, Sarnia Transit has 4 left in service for now, There is an Ex-Richmond Hill unit in New Market, Ex-Kingston unit in Kingston, Ex-Guelph 132 MIGHT be scrapped as it was last seen in Hamilton, and theres a few hidden ones around Ah okay. Also, do Sarnia's still have Detroit 6V53N's? I forgot to mention, the Washington state department of licensing has ex Pierce Transit #440, in use at their CDL program. Oh okay. By the way, didn't you say at least one Ex-Kitsap unit seems to still be around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 TCAT (Tompkins Consolidated Area Transit) in Ithaca NY still has one active Orion I, #914. I believe it is used as needed as a spare bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 TCAT (Tompkins Consolidated Area Transit) in Ithaca NY still has one active Orion I, #914. I believe it is used as needed as a spare bus. It still goes out in regular service, as I was told during my stop through there on my way to Philly at the beginning of the month. They are looking at replacing it this year with a tender if they can get the funds so it has about 18 months left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Ah okay. Also, do Sarnia's still have Detroit 6V53N's? Oh okay. By the way, didn't you say at least one Ex-Kitsap unit seems to still be around? With the 6V53? No. And the three Dallas-Fort Worth Airport transplants with the 6V92TA engine were all scrapped due to age-related corroded frames. Edited February 14, 2015 by Benjamin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detroit Diesel 6V92TA Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 With the 6V53? No. And the three Dallas-Fort Worth Airport transplants with the 6V92TA engine were all scrapped due to age-related corroded frames. Ah okay. Do you know of any Orion I's with 6V53's still in existence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmc12 Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Amtran (Altoona, PA) also has 2 1993 30' models, 400 & 405, which are due to be replaced this summer. Windsor Fire (Windsor, ON) also has an ex-Transit Windsor Orion 1 used as a command vehicle. There is also a 30' model being used as a limo bus and is located just north of Toronto. Don't know its heritage, but it's a suburban model (GO Transit?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Ah okay. Do you know of any Orion I's with 6V53's still in existence? I can't really say. Sarnia's 813 did, but I think it was out along with the three ex-DFW units. Burlington Transit may still have their 1981 01.504 7042-81 (8142), which is this one: Edited February 15, 2015 by Benjamin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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