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  1. What you are saying about monitoring of the bus rings true. I know that there is a trend in commercial fleets to have Telematics active on the bus, sending all kinds of info about the vehicle to the driver and to management. Management is keen to use this kind of thing to inspire desirable driving behavior on the part of drivers. Its probably especially important for an electric bus like BYD, because range is limited and efficiency becomes more important. As an off-topic aside, I hope that this kind of monitoring will reduce rough driving. I know I've noticed as a bus passenger that certain driver's accelerate and brake abruptly and it makes for an unpleasant ride for the passenger.
  2. Update on BYD buses performance in Indianapolis (Red Line articulated electric buses) (quote) “The total acquisition for the 31 buses was approximately $40 million,” said Evans. “A portion of that are federal dollars as well as our local commitment as well. We have not paid BYD for those buses. We have had them in our possession for over a year. They have requested payment but we have reminded them that they signed a contract with IndyGo to produce a bus that could go 275 miles. That bus is not doing that at this time.” On their best days last fall, when Red Line service was free and the weather was warm, the BYD buses averaged 200-250 miles between charges, far short of the 275-mile average promise and likely above what the buses are getting now that wintertime temperatures in Indianapolis often dip below freezing. (unquote) Source: https://fox59.com/2020/02/13/indygo-admits-stumbling-start-to-red-line-launch/ Perhaps of the most interest, the article seems to say that federal funds will not be available to buy BYD buses after 2022. I wasn't aware that provision had passed into law. 200-250 miles is a lot of variability. Driver skill plays a big part in that I am sure. You need to accelerate slowly and evenly and maximize regenerative braking to increase range.
  3. There are electric community shuttle buses available from several companies. Here are three that have been around a while: http://www.motivps.com/motivps/portfolio-items/shuttle-bus/ http://www.phoenixmotorcars.com/products/ https://lightningsystems.com/electric-commercial-vehicles/
  4. Not sure if this has been posted in the STM thread before, but I don't want anyone to miss it. Anyhow, here's an electric STM bus drifting on the test track https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/anyhow-heres-an-electric-stm-bus-drifting-on-the-test-track
  5. Watch Montreal Transit drift its electric bus on a frozen lake Don't miss seeing an XE40 sliding around like a hockey player--at the link below! https://mobilesyrup.com/2020/02/04/montreal-transit-drift-electric-bus-frozen-lake/
  6. I'm really surprised. Winnipeg had so much promise for electric buses, especially since electricity is so cheap and clean there. Yes, the technology is largely proven, although a bit complicated. https://uspirg.org/feature/usp/electric-buses-america
  7. MTA Deploys All-Electric Bus Fleet On Harlem's M60 Route A new pilot program using the electric buses on Harlem's M60 line will test the zero-emission vehicles on one of the city's longest routes. https://patch.com/new-york/harlem/mta-deploys-electric-bus-fleet-harlems-m60-route
  8. New Flyer Rep says these buses will be able to stay on-route for up to 18 hours without recharging. https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2020/01/31/king-countys-130m-electric-bus-purchase-called.html Key words are "up to". Thats probably the max under ideal conditions, say a light load and 70 degree temps and if there is an elevation change you get to go back down and recuperate energy to the batteries by going downhill.
  9. King County buys 40 electric buses and plans to buy 80 more Source: https://www.westsideseattle.com/ballard-news-tribune/2020/01/30/king-county-buys-40-electric-buses-and-plans-buy-80-more Lots of info on pricing on these buses with huge batteries--for extra range: "The order is comprised of 40 60-foot-long articulated buses valued at $1.3 million each for a total of approximately $50 million. The remaining 80 battery-electric buses planned for purchase include 20 more articulated buses and 60 40-foot-long buses, valued at approximately $925,000 each." "These long-range battery-electric buses can travel approximately 140 miles on a single charge. The 11 existing short-range battery-electric buses in Metro’s fleet are 40 feet long and can travel 23 miles before requiring a 10-minute charge." "The industry is changing rapidly, and Metro had initially pursued a different manufacturer for the purchase of 73 buses in 2017, however that manufacturer does not currently have a 60-foot-long option. New Flyer was able to meet Metro’s fleet needs, warranting a pivot in the original planned purchase. Metro continues to test coaches from several manufacturers." Coach details "The 120 coaches are New Flyer’s Xcelsior CHARGE model. The 60-foot-long coach has a capacity of up to 120 passengers including driver and the 40-foot-long coach can hold up to 76 including driver. Both bus models (40-foot-long and articulated 60-foot-long) have a battery size of 466 kWh."
  10. Proterra buses on the ground in Vermont: Source: https://vermontbiz.com/news/2020/january/28/green-mountain-transit-bed-unveil-first-two-electric-buses Miles on a Single Charge The E-buses have 324 kWh of battery capacity and will be charged overnight during off-peak hours with 100 percent renewably-sourced electricity at GMT’s Burlington garage on Queen City Park Road. While Proterra indicates that the E-buses have an operating range of up to 187 miles on a single charge, actual range will depend on a number of variables, including topography, passenger loads, number of stops, and weather. Proterra’s initial range estimates for GMT, based upon our local topography and weather and on comparing the actual range of Proterra buses that are serving other similarly-situated locations, are 140 miles in non-winter months and 100 miles in winter months. GMT will have an accurate sense of mileage range once the new E-buses are in full operation in their service environment.
  11. First of CapMetro's electric bus fleet hitting the streets in Austin https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/first-of-capmetros-electric-bus-fleet-hitting-the-streets-in-austin Proterra Catalyst E2 buses. This thread indicates that 4 were ordered last year.
  12. Rochester NY is buying electric Xcelsiors (10 forty footers). In the press release, NFI states that they have "the most electric buses on the road in America". No doubt that is because they are including electric trolleys. I think Proterra has the most battery buses already on the road in the US. https://www.autoblog.com/press-releases/rts-expands-new-york-states-zero-emission-mobility-with-xcelsior-chargetm-buses-from-new-flyer_21910/
  13. More info on the city's move to electric buses: https://www.guelphtoday.com/local-news/mayor-explains-100-million-price-tag-for-electric-bus-upgrade-2030360
  14. CDTA (Albany, NY) rolls out electric Xcelsiors. https://www.saratogian.com/news/cdta-rolls-out-electric-buses/article_54aa0b1e-6747-56bc-acb4-2e1464c5067b.html Some good info here! (quote) CDTA installed four Siemens direct current depot chargers, at its 110 Watervliet Ave. facility. High efficiency LED lighting was installed in each of the charging stations to enhance safety measures. CDTA worked with National Grid and Sage Engineering to design appropriate upgrades of the electrical capacity at CDTA headquarters. Kasselman Electric was awarded a contract to make sure CDTA has the necessary electrical upgrades to support the buses. “We know the transition to electric vehicles can be daunting for many fleet owners, especially when it comes to navigating the charging infrastructure and deployment. As the utility, we are committed to helping our customers overcome that barrier to EV adoption. The Virtual Lab with CDTA gives us the opportunity to explore this process and work hand-in-hand with our customer as they make the transition to cleaner fuels. All of this would not be possible without the forward-thinking of partners like CDTA and New York State,” Laurie Poltynski, Regional Executive Director for National Grid remarked. Each charger weighs 5,200 pounds and contains 20 times the amount of charging capacity compared to most common electric vehicle chargers. They also have a built-in website that tracks the electric energy that is transferred to the 42 batteries contained in each bus. Each bus costs $900,000, each charger costs $121,000. Training and tools needed for maintenance cost close to $200,000, bringing the total cost of the pilot project to $3.9 million.(unquote)
  15. Ballard Power continues to work on powering buses, maybe especially coach buses that travel long highway miles. The cost of hydrogen infrastructure has been one of the big barriers-- as it was in the fuel cell buses in British Columbia. And they haven't been able to compete very well with the battery bus revolution. I just looked and BLDP stock has more than doubled in the last 6 months. One of their markets is buses in China--along with a few in the US (as noted in the first post in this thread). This source shows that there are right now 42 Fuel cell buses in operation in California. source: https://cafcp.org/by_the_numbers
  16. Roamer, you have created a helluva database for these accidents. Thank you for your efforts! I would love to see a journalist write a long story about this problem and how it is occurring all over and needs to be addressed.
  17. Everett Transit is going to add a couple more Proterra buses. I've read a lot of articles about local transit agencies adding electric buses, but this one (from heraldnet.com) stands out for extra details. Highly recommended if you are interested in the reality of electric buses! Source: https://www.heraldnet.com/news/everett-transit-set-to-expand-electric-buses-cut-fuel-costs/ "A fall protection system was needed so technicians can operate safely on the electric buses’ roofs, whereas other buses don’t need that access, Hingson said. Personal protective equipment was bought for the technicians so they could work with the high-voltage vehicles. Bus operators receive two hours to familiarize themselves with the new buses."
  18. This article says that Santa Cruz Metro is getting Proterra and Gillig electric buses. No mention of BYD. https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2019/10/09/metro-receives-training-on-zero-emission-buses/
  19. CT goes back to the future with transit-oriented development By Tom Condon, CTMirror.org Updated 11:45 am EDT, Monday, July 29, 2019 New Britain — The decades after World War II were unkind to many Connecticut cities, New Britain among them. The Hardware City lost jobs, was carved up by highways and saw residents depart for the suburbs. Its once bustling downtown began to look desolate, almost like an archeological site. Not anymore. Downtown New Britain is steadily coming back. Streets have been revamped and redesigned (with roundabouts and bike lanes), a downtown park has been spiffed up, and historic buildings are being refurbished for housing and other uses. A new development, two five-story buildings with about 160 residential units and 20,000 square feet of retail space, is under construction. “More downtown buildings have been sold in the last two years than in the last 20 years,” said longtime city development director Bill Carroll, a New Britain native. “It’s a beautiful thing to see What’s driving this revival? The bus. Read more: https://www.newstimes.com/local/article/CT-goes-back-to-the-future-with-transit-oriented-14193057.php
  20. Four new Proterra's rolled out in Wichita, Kansas! https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article238315478.html
  21. NJ Transit funding and procurement update at NJ.com: Your gas tax will pay for NJ Transit’s $500M shopping list —including electric buses Posted Dec 12, 9:03 AM https://www.nj.com/traffic/2019/12/your-gas-tax-will-pay-for-nj-transits-500m-shopping-list-including-electric-buses.html
  22. Proterra has redesigned their website since I was there last. Lots of marketing in blog post format. Good info! This one about the composite bus bodies caught my eye. They are built in Rhode Island and at a wind turbine plant in Newton, Iowa. As Electric Buses Scale, Composite Bus Production Adds To American Manufacturing Jobs May 2, 2019 https://www.proterra.com/as-electric-buses-scale-composite-bus-production-adds-to-american-manufacturing-jobs/
  23. I always have a soft spot for Gillig shorties, or any 35 foot or 29 foot bus. Rare buses all around! Agree with you about Xcelsiors. I admire those buses.
  24. Electric Buses in America Lessons from Cities Pioneering Clean Transportation A report created by U.S. PIRG Education Fund, Environment America Research & Policy Center and Frontier Group Written by Matt Casale, U.S. PIRG Education Fund, Morgan Folger, Environment America Research & Policy Center and James Horrox, Frontier Group Download the report here: https://uspirg.org/feature/usp/electric-buses-america
  25. Electric Buses in America Lessons from Cities Pioneering Clean Transportation A report created by U.S. PIRG Education Fund, Environment America Research & Policy Center and Frontier Group Written by Matt Casale, U.S. PIRG Education Fund, Morgan Folger, Environment America Research & Policy Center and James Horrox, Frontier Group Download the report here: https://uspirg.org/feature/usp/electric-buses-america The report features 6 case studies of electric bus pilots: 4 successful, 1 fail and 1 mixed.
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