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  1. Gillig has traditionally been very careful about which larger transit agencies they pursue - there was an article in an industry publication back in the 1980's where a company spokesman mentioned that they didn't want to 'bite off more than they could chew'. That said, they have successfully sold the Low Floor in recent years to King County Metro, Denver RTD, TriMet, Miami Dade Transit. Metro Transit in Minneapolis and now MARTA in Atlanta, which are all in the top 20 of U.S. bus transit agencies so they seem to be gradually moving towards doing business with all but the largest transit agencies. I fully expect that the eventual successor to the Low Floor model will be a heavy-duty bus suited to go toe to toe with NFI and Nova.
  2. The Gillig Low-Floor is a basic heavy-duty bus. The city of Syracuse has some pretty rough streets in places and Centro's Gillig buses are holding up fine. I've also ridden on a brand-new New Flyer Xcelsior in Boston that had been in service less than one month and yet rattled like crazy, so I'm not convinced that there is a North American transit bus available right now that is head and shoulders above Gillig's product.
  3. The 2010 Orions were from another agency's option order if I recall correctly. Not sure about the 2011 and 2012 orders. The 2800's and 2900's replacements are the three buses just delivered and the upcoming 2021 order from Gillig. The five diesels in this new order may be replacements for the 2009 MCI buses, but I'm not sure. Those '08 and '09 Gillig suburbans probably have lower mileage because they were largely used for peak hour expresses over the years. The 2010 Orion CNG's are workhorses but they are starting to show their age. Like many transit agencies, Centro ideally tries to replace buses at the 12-year mark, contingent on capital funding being available of course. The 2012 Orions will be around for at least four more years.
  4. Not if New Flyer and NovaBus are going to bid higher than Gillig.
  5. Gillig was low bidder on the five-year bus procurement contract - according to the November board meeting agenda on the Centro website, the CNYRTA board will vote on a contract for up to 92 buses at this Friday's meeting with the initial order being placed for 18 40-foot CNG buses and five 40-foot clean diesel buses. Gillig's 40-foot price was $430,679 diesel/$478,571 CNG compared to New Flyer at $443,660 diesel/$488,158 CNG and NovaBus at $486,316 diesel/$535,672 CNG. The total contract will allow for new replacement buses for everything up through the 2012 Orion VII's.
  6. Centro has received three new 40-foot CNG buses from Gillig, numbered 2020-2022. Bus #2020 has four wheelchair securement positions instead of the normal two positions and will be available for Carrier Dome shuttles and other special event services (similar to what Orion V #9977 was used for prior to its retirement). These buses also have a restyled roof tank enclosure that goes all the way to the back of the roof.
  7. The oldest NABI's are 12 years old this year and they get a lot of hard use.
  8. Yes, I had noticed interlines before at Shoppingtown - route 530 outbound buses becoming route 223 inbound and the like. Given the new setup with the 123 and 530 terminating at Walmart while the 168 and 176 terminate at Home Depot, that will limit interlines to those locations I assume, unless a bus goes out of service at one location and deadheads to the other. It would be good if a new east side hub could be found - I think that Marshalls Plaza on Erie Boulevard would be an ideal location. I noticed that the 462 Manlius buses will go express from Wegmans Dewitt to downtown via I-481 and I-690. Still just the four midday trips, with time changes (the two morning trips run earlier than the old schedules). Also, trips have been added on the 36 Camillus and 46 Liverpool routes to replace the previous service on 236 Auburn and 246 Oswego which ran local in Onondaga County, since those intercity services remain suspended.
  9. Despite its continued decline, Shoppingtown had value as an east side hub to allow transfers between routes. I was able to use the trip planner on the website with next Monday's date to see the new schedules - it appears that the route 530 buses and some route 168 and route 176 trips will service both Home Depot and Walmart to allow for connections with the James St. buses. The 168 and 176 will pass Walmart on select outbound trips only, but the 530 will terminate there.
  10. Centro will be resuming most regular service on Monday June 15th along with front-door boarding and fare collection. Routes that will remain suspended include: • Sy 682 Lakeview Park – Fairgrounds (seasonal service) • Osw 246 Oswego-Fulton-Syracuse • Aub 236 Auburn-Syracuse via Skaneateles-Camillus • Aub 38 Auburn-Syracuse via Weedsport-Elbridge • Aub 138 Auburn-Syracuse via Taunton • Aub 8 Auburn-Moravia There will also be a number of route changes in Syracuse due to the discontinuance of service to Shoppingtown Mall in May. A summary of these changes: 223 James St-Shoppingtown permanently cut back to Walmart in East Syracuse 530 SU-Westcott-Shoppingtown will extend to Walmart and no longer serve ShoppingTown Mall 62 Manlius buses will no longer serve ShoppingTown Mall 462 Manlius will extend to/from the Syracuse Transit Hub and Wegmans – DeWitt and no longer serve ShoppingTown Mall 168 Erie Blvd-Shoppingtown will extend to Home Depot and no longer serve ShoppingTown Mall 176 Salt Springs-Shoppingtown will extend to Home Depot and no longer serve ShoppingTown Mall I also noticed that the Orion VII's on the Syracuse division began returning to service last week - for most of the pandemic they were parked and the reduced service was provided by the newer Gillig CNG's.
  11. RailBus63


    NFTA temporarily suspended five low-patronage bus routes: 7-Baynes Richmond 29-Wohlers 54-Military 68-George Urban 79-Tonawanda This was done earlier in May to redirect resources to other routes. The five routes were those with alternate service available on other routes.
  12. Some of the newer Gillig CNG's are now wrapped for Syracuse University - I've spotted 1752, 1772, 1775 and 1904. Syracuse services are being operated by the Gillig CNG's. No Orion VII CNG's have been in service for a while due to the reduced schedule. The Rome routes are now being operated with 35-foot two-door transit buses normally used in Utica. At least one 40-foot Gillig from Syracuse (2903) has been operating in Utica alongside the normal Gillig and Orion 35-footers. The Oswego-Mexico-Fulton route and the Fulton local route are the only services still operating with 29-foot single-door buses, and even the Mexico route is seeing 40-footers at times including green Orion VII ex-demo diesel 1267.
  13. I think that looks so homely. The traditional Low Floor looks sharper in my opinion.
  14. RailBus63


    Federal Transit Administration directs the NFTA to take a second look at a bus rapid transit option for the Amherst rail extension: https://buffalonews.com/2020/05/03/costs-competition-may-substitute-rapid-buses-for-metro-rail-extension/ Between this and likely Covid-19 related financial cutbacks, this is probably the death knell for a Metro Rail extension beyond University station.
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