splendidwizardplayer Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 Forgot to put this. Me and few pals were talking and this woman comes on 4068. She said that her husband was one of the designers of the interior of the CLRVs and all the but front stairs where his design. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oke Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 On the right two transfers from the ALRV farewell trip and on the Left two transfers from the CLRV farewell trip 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, MK78 said: Maybe I should rephrase. Why did they stop running in pairs and removed the couplers? Could it have been a pedestrian safety thing? I imagine a pedestrian would be more likely to be dragged under? Well, for one - they never ran in service coupled. During the design process, the TTC operated Queen service with MU'd PCCs, but this ended in 1977 or so - before the CLRVs actually entered service. The second, and probably more important reason for why they removed the couplers is that there are a lot of electrical systems onboard the cars, and the couplers facilitated communication between them. And what frequently happened in the situation where a car became disabled was that upon coupling that the cause of the disablement would also affect the other car (or at least the disablement would not be cleared in such a way that a second car could take control of the disabled car). The TTC soon discovered that it was just easier to use a drawbar and tow or push a disabled car. As for pedestrians, that's why the Shiner Skirts were installed. But they are also designed to fit over the couplers, and to be easily removed to allow access to the couplers. Quote I don't remember them running in pairs, so they must have stopped that still in the 80's somewhere? I was a kid then I wouldn't have cared or remembered. They tested, but never ran in service as pairs. There was an idea thrown about about 15 years ago to run cars on King coupled up, but that was pretty quickly discarded. 3 hours ago, AnalogPentium said: Anyone who makes a scale model of the CLRV or ALRV will be rich very quick I don't think that you understand how the market for scale models works. Dan 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DepthOfField Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 Wondering if they're starting the scrapping or preservation process of 4148 .... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWC Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 15 CLRVs parked on the dead tracks & 5 CLRVs parked close to the barn at Russell Yard. The other 10 are probably at Roncesevalles Yard? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streety McCarface Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 Well this is a huge surprise. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oke Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Streety McCarface said: Well this is a huge surprise. Didn’t Halton themselves say that there’s no room left? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLRV4002 Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 https://twitter.com/streetcarmuseum/status/1211359010688917504?s=20 I suppose they hinted at it here 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streety McCarface Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 5 hours ago, John Oke said: Didn’t Halton themselves say that there’s no room left? Volunteers there said there was no room for any CLRVs/ALRVs before they got 4. We'll see what happens. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splendidwizardplayer Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, DepthOfField said: Wondering if they're starting the scrapping or preservation process of 4148 4148 is retired. You mean 4178 which is getting saved 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 34 minutes ago, Streety McCarface said: Well this is a huge surprise. Halton did say they were keeping one of the CLRV's as a bargaining chip for future trades. That would probably be 4039. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted December 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 40 minutes ago, JWC said: 15 CLRVs parked on the dead tracks & 5 CLRVs parked close to the barn at Russell Yard. The other 10 are probably at Roncesevalles Yard? Why would they be? There are 28 CLRVs tracking at Russell that were just recently retired according to the Sammdot tracker, plus 4001 and 4178. Two, 4021 and 4105, the latter of which is already marked as retired, are tracking at Leslie. You sure you counted correctly? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK78 Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 hours ago, smallspy said: Well, for one - they never ran in service coupled. During the design process, the TTC operated Queen service with MU'd PCCs, but this ended in 1977 or so - before the CLRVs actually entered service. The second, and probably more important reason for why they removed the couplers is that there are a lot of electrical systems onboard the cars, and the couplers facilitated communication between them. And what frequently happened in the situation where a car became disabled was that upon coupling that the cause of the disablement would also affect the other car (or at least the disablement would not be cleared in such a way that a second car could take control of the disabled car). The TTC soon discovered that it was just easier to use a drawbar and tow or push a disabled car. As for pedestrians, that's why the Shiner Skirts were installed. But they are also designed to fit over the couplers, and to be easily removed to allow access to the couplers. They tested, but never ran in service as pairs. There was an idea thrown about about 15 years ago to run cars on King coupled up, but that was pretty quickly discarded. Thanks for the explanation, makes sense. That video from Boston made me curious, that's all, especially that I did know that they ran PCC's in pairs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downsview 108 Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 59 minutes ago, Streety McCarface said: Well this is a huge surprise. I was hoping that one would stay in the city like at Wychwood but the more the merrier. The CLRVs are well preserved, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin ORION Posted December 30, 2019 Root Admin Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 49 minutes ago, Downsview 108 said: I was hoping that one would stay in the city like at Wychwood but the more the merrier. The CLRVs are well preserved, Apparently that fell through about a month ago according to a very reliable source. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWC Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 11 hours ago, PCC Guy said: Why would they be? There are 28 CLRVs tracking at Russell that were just recently retired according to the Sammdot tracker, plus 4001 and 4178. Two, 4021 and 4105, the latter of which is already marked as retired, are tracking at Leslie. You sure you counted correctly? I only counted what I visibly saw outside in the yard. I don't know how many CLRVs could possibly be inside the barn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, John Oke said: Didn’t Halton themselves say that there’s no room left? Some people have attributed such a comment to several volunteers there, but as an organization they never said such a thing. Dan 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayside Observer Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 I took my last rides on Saturday and didn't make it back into Toronto in time to catch any of the last run specials on Queen St. before they ended yesterday just from how my work schedule shook out. Today is the first day that there are no CLRVs at all and that fact sank in hard when I drove into work and passed by a couple of low floor cars on Bathurst making me realize that that's it. That's all there is now. The last of the stuff that made the place interesting is all gone. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the remaining cars that have been retired but not yet scrapped or sent to museums. Hopefully some of them will avoid, to paraphrase the sign on the pocket track north of Davisville, "All streetcars immediately upon arrival must be destroyed" at the scrap yard. The Toronto of 2020 is going to be a much blander place, that's for sure. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, Wayside Observer said: Today is the first day that there are no CLRVs at all and that fact sank in hard when I drove into work and passed by a couple of low floor cars on Bathurst making me realize that that's it. That's all there is now. I'm surprised they chose today to run buses instead of CLRVs on 508. An indication that there aren't enough Flexities even for the current schedule. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downsview 108 Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 38 minutes ago, Wayside Observer said: I took my last rides on Saturday and didn't make it back into Toronto in time to catch any of the last run specials on Queen St. before they ended yesterday just from how my work schedule shook out. Today is the first day that there are no CLRVs at all and that fact sank in hard when I drove into work and passed by a couple of low floor cars on Bathurst making me realize that that's it. That's all there is now. The last of the stuff that made the place interesting is all gone. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the remaining cars that have been retired but not yet scrapped or sent to museums. Hopefully some of them will avoid, to paraphrase the sign on the pocket track north of Davisville, "All streetcars immediately upon arrival must be destroyed" at the scrap yard. The Toronto of 2020 is going to be a much blander place, that's for sure. At least now they have a few more candidates for historic vehicles they can throw on the 509 if they ever decide to do that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 33 minutes ago, nfitz said: I'm surprised they chose today to run buses instead of CLRVs on 508. An indication that there aren't enough Flexities even for the current schedule. On the plus side there was no 15 minute wait for Queen cars to clear Humber Loop. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK78 Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, nfitz said: I'm surprised they chose today to run buses instead of CLRVs on 508. An indication that there aren't enough Flexities even for the current schedule. That would kind of put a silly twist on the whole "retirement ride" yesterday, and a commitment to retire them regardless if a few could still run. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 17 minutes ago, MK78 said: That would kind of put a silly twist on the whole "retirement ride" yesterday, and a commitment to retire them regardless if a few could still run. The whole retire the existing cars without first receiving (or ordering) replacements is already an even sillier twist 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK78 Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, nfitz said: The whole retire the existing cars without first receiving (or ordering) replacements is already an even sillier twist Well, they have surplus of buses that can do the job until those extra units can be ordered... I'm enjoying the bus service on 503, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, MK78 said: Well, they have surplus of buses that can do the job until those extra units can be ordered... I'm enjoying the bus service on 503, that's for sure. 503 frequencies are better with buses, but the ride is much rougher. But Kingston Road frequencies were always the exception, not the rule. Also, I have found it more challenging some days to squeeze on a 503 at Sherbourne than a 504. Meanwhile we have so few streetcars that some lines, like 506, are less frequent in PM rush hour than mid-day or weekends! Meanwhile the bus bunching and gaps on 505 are a complete shitshow. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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