jameskoole Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 Not my pic...posted on reddit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bus_7246 Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 35 minutes ago, jameskoole said: Not my pic...posted on reddit. I like that they put the fleet number on the rear rather than the middle 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc rider Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 Car 4538 was offloaded at Hillcrest this morning (i.e. Mon, Apr. 8). Car 4459 was used to tow it off of CP's transporter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 4537 isn't tracking yet, but I just saw it on Upper Gerrard heading back from Main Station, so they are testing already. Got some really crappy photos in the dark - but not worth posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drum118 Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 4537 is tracking now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seashore_518203 Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 On 4/2/2019 at 6:30 PM, nfitz said: Given that TTC has already sued them for the maximum penalty, they'll incur no further penalty. After TTC cancelled their plans to buy 60 more streetcars this year, there was no carrot remaining. Surely best business decision is to focus on the other 2 orders and not incur more penalties. I must have missed this. Is there a link to a staff report anywhere that states that TTC did cancel the order for the optional 60? I have not seen it anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Seashore_518203 said: I must have missed this. Is there a link to a staff report anywhere that states that TTC did cancel the order for the optional 60? I have not seen it anywhere. They didn't cancel it per se. But there was a set target that they had to place the order by (60th car delivered, I believe?), and the TTC decided to let the option lapse. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowlingm Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, smallspy said: They didn't cancel it per se. But there was a set target that they had to place the order by (60th car delivered, I believe?), and the TTC decided to let the option lapse. Dan At one time the general consensus on transit boards was that the option was on the 60th car but my recollection is that the option deadline was deferred at one point (as a favour to the TTC because of the MDBF not being met?) In any event even TTC info is confusing - this report claimed that the Bombardier contract had options for 100 extra vehicles. However, this may have represented 60 at fixed price and 40 delivery slots for price to be negotiated. https://ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Commission_meetings/2018/June_12/Reports/26_New_Streetcar_Program_RFI_for_60_Additional_Streetcars.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc rider Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, dowlingm said: In any event even TTC info is confusing - this report claimed that the Bombardier contract had options for 100 extra vehicles. However, this may have represented 60 at fixed price and 40 delivery slots for price to be negotiated. https://ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Commission_meetings/2018/June_12/Reports/26_New_Streetcar_Program_RFI_for_60_Additional_Streetcars.pdf When the original TTC order for 204 cars was placed, there was an option for up to 400 additional cars for use on both the existing lines and on all seven of the original Transit City lines. Since later on it was decided that Metrolinx will own the new LRT lines, a 300-car option was transferred to Metrolinx (of which 182 cars were ordered - and later that order itself was reduced to just 76 cars for Eglinton. After reaching an agreement with Waterloo Region, a further 28-car option was transferred to Waterloo region, which ended up ordering only 14 vehicles for the first phase of their ION LRT). This left the TTC with a 100-car add-on option on paper. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc rider Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 Car 4405 has headed to Hillcrest this afternoon, in preparation for transport to La Pocatiere, QC for rewelding. Its last day of service was Fri, Apr. 5. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drum118 Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 4535 has enter service on 504 (br504A) after 12 days being here 4533 has enter service on 504 (br504A) after 16 days been here as it been in the yard the last 20 hours 4532 still in the service bay after being here 20 days 4536 been out all night testing. Still on 509 It will be interesting to see if the flat taking 4405 to QC will be bring back one of the cars already there in May. What every brought back will undergo inspection and the standard burn in testing for all new cars. Never know it could be 4401 returning as a production car and will finally enter service in late May or June. It left Hillcrest on June 17, 2018. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTC Guy Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 6 hours ago, drum118 said: 4535 has enter service on 504 (br504A) after 12 days being here 4533 has enter service on 504 (br504A) after 16 days been here as it been in the yard the last 20 hours 4532 still in the service bay after being here 20 days 4536 been out all night testing. Still on 509 It will be interesting to see if the flat taking 4405 to QC will be bring back one of the cars already there in May. What every brought back will undergo inspection and the standard burn in testing for all new cars. Never know it could be 4401 returning as a production car and will finally enter service in late May or June. It left Hillcrest on June 17, 2018. On 4535 now, nice new smell. Tried to get a picture but the construction at Dundas west stopped me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc rider Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Car 4539 was offloaded at Hillcrest this morning (i.e. Wed, Apr. 10). Car 4477 was used to tow it off of CP's transporter. In turn, car 4405 is off-property as of this morning. Car 4477 was used to push it onto the same transporter, for the trip to La Pocatiere, QC. 6 hours ago, drum118 said: 4535 has enter service on 504 (br504A) after 12 days being here 4533 has enter service on 504 (br504A) after 16 days been here as it been in the yard the last 20 hours You got the timeline wrong: 4535 delivered Mar. 25, entered service Apr. 10 -> 16 days after delivery. 4533 delivered Mar. 27, entered service Apr. 10 -> 14 days after delivery. 6 hours ago, drum118 said: Never know it could be 4401 returning as a production car and will finally enter service in late May or June. It left Hillcrest on June 17, 2018. Actually, 4401 was loaded up at Hillcrest on May 14, 2018, but it was only picked by CP early in the morning on May 22, 2018. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drum118 Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 hour ago, ttc rider said: Car 4539 was offloaded at Hillcrest this morning (i.e. Wed, Apr. 10). Car 4477 was used to tow it off of CP's transporter. In turn, car 4405 is off-property as of this morning. Car 4477 was used to push it onto the same transporter, for the trip to La Pocatiere, QC. You got the timeline wrong: 4535 delivered Mar. 25, entered service Apr. 10 -> 16 days after delivery. 4533 delivered Mar. 27, entered service Apr. 10 -> 14 days after delivery. Actually, 4401 was loaded up at Hillcrest on May 14, 2018, but it was only picked by CP early in the morning on May 22, 2018. I have Mar 26 for 4533. but still the wrong number of days here I used the delivery date for 4401 in place of May 14, 2018 that in my schedule for some unknown reason. Now with 4574 at Lambton, 4540 somewhere in Toronto, which car will be off loaded tomorrow? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTC Guy Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 4535 in first day of service on the 504A King 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilRedDave Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 On 4/9/2019 at 3:45 PM, dowlingm said: At one time the general consensus on transit boards was that the option was on the 60th car but my recollection is that the option deadline was deferred at one point (as a favour to the TTC because of the MDBF not being met?) In any event even TTC info is confusing - this report claimed that the Bombardier contract had options for 100 extra vehicles. However, this may have represented 60 at fixed price and 40 delivery slots for price to be negotiated. https://ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Commission_meetings/2018/June_12/Reports/26_New_Streetcar_Program_RFI_for_60_Additional_Streetcars.pdf The acceptance of the 60th car reference was important due to that being the point that the TTC could begin calculating and charging liquidated damages against BT for not meeting the MDBF requirement as set out in the specification. There is no correlation between that milestone and the options which I believe stood at 60 cars if I remember correctly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drum118 Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 4539 is now tracking and it at Hillcrest at this time. 4538 still not tracking. 4537, 4536 and 4532 in service bay. 4537 was out testing yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowlingm Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 4541 on the way 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drum118 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 4536 has enter service on 510 (kg510) after 12 days being here 4537 was out last night testing as a 301 in service car. Heading toward the Barns now. 4532 was out testing last night for the first time in over a week. It on 506 in the east end now heading toward Main. Been here 21 days so far. 4538 still not tracking 4539 is tracking a day after arrival and still at Hillcrest. Arrived April 10, 2019 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc rider Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 4 hours ago, drum118 said: 4536 has enter service on 510 (kg510) after 12 days being here It has returned to Leslie now, so it probably experienced a failure of some nature. On 4/10/2019 at 1:51 PM, drum118 said: I have Mar 26 for 4533. but still the wrong number of days here For the sake of accuracy: 4533 was unloaded on Mar 27. Check a couple of pages back in this thread. You also happened to catch a picture of the car as it was heading to Leslie on the day of delivery. Also, can someone please correct the entry for car 4535 on the wiki page? The correct delivery date is March 25, not April 10. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mar_AC_23 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, ttc rider said: Also, can someone please correct the entry for car 4535 on the wiki page? The correct delivery date is March 25, not April 10. Thanks. Fixed! There is no way that a car will be delivered, commissioned, tested, and enters service in the same day! Delivery date and entered service date for 4535 was the same before I fixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drum118 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 4536 only did 2 run to Union and left service at 8:43. It enter service on Spadina at 5:43 Anyone know what up with 4539, as it has yet to leave Hillcrest and sitting at the north end on the outside track according to Transsee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jor Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 What is the status of 4471 now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnicaProductions Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, jor said: What is the status of 4471 now? It was spotted on a train a couple days ago heading to New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc rider Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 hours ago, jor said: What is the status of 4471 now? It was loaded up at Hillcrest on Wed, Apr. 3 for transport to Bombardier's shop in Kanona, NY. Some items have been harvested for spare parts before being sent to the US. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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