Doppelkupplung Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, dowlingm said: 4466 what a beaut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodbineSecondExit Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 2 hours ago, dowlingm said: 4466 Shouldn't the pole be in the down position during transport? So it looks like 4465 was officially delivered to Hillcrest yesterday but does anyone have the particular dates for the previous two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit geek Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 Surprised that there are still cars being delivered with poles (thought 4459 should be the last). Shouldn't the pantograph conversion be fully complete by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulated Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Transit geek said: Surprised that there are still cars being delivered with poles (thought 4459 should be the last). Shouldn't the pantograph conversion be fully complete by now? It was mentioned before that the contract was modified so all cars will be delivered with poles. Even with the late deliveries, TTC is running even later with fully converting the network to be pantograph compatible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed T. Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 13 hours ago, Articulated said: It was mentioned before that the contract was modified so all cars will be delivered with poles. Even with the late deliveries, TTC is running even later with fully converting the network to be pantograph compatible. Considering that the only place that pantographs are approved (if that's the correct term) is 509, it's obvious that the poles need to stay on. Although I'm surprised that the TTC hasn't made the routing back to the carhouse(es) all pantograph, so cars going into service could still use pantographs. It's not really an impressive job of prioritization. They seem to be working on random sections all over the system. Most of Lake Shore is ready for pantographs, but the last time I looked closely, it wasn't 100%. Then again, I don't think Lake Shore will see streetcars again until this fall, if at all this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bus_7246 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 21 hours ago, WoodbineSecondExit said: Shouldn't the pole be in the down position during transport? So it looks like 4465 was officially delivered to Hillcrest yesterday but does anyone have the particular dates for the previous two? 4463 was offloaded either January 29th or 30th, and 4464 was offloaded February 5th (i will get the official offload dates in the coming week). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmenard-cc Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 8:00 PM, WoodbineSecondExit said: Shouldn't the pole be in the down position during transport? So it looks like 4465 was officially delivered to Hillcrest yesterday but does anyone have the particular dates for the previous two? It should be. It came unsecured while in transit and was significantly damaged by the bridges along the line between Thunder Bay and MacTier Yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowlingm Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Gonna be interesting to see if 4466’s pole is deemed fit at Hillcrest (surely not) and if so where a replacement pole gets mounted, i.e. will it have to be towed to Leslie and then worked on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 22 hours ago, dowlingm said: Gonna be interesting to see if 4466’s pole is deemed fit at Hillcrest (surely not) and if so where a replacement pole gets mounted, i.e. will it have to be towed to Leslie and then worked on Considering that the TTC forces swap poles in the middle of the street with some regularity, I don't think that the damage to the pole is as much of an issue as you guys think it is. Dan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drum118 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 4465 is now tractable 4464 looks to have a number of issue and still not in service. As for 4466, TTC has poles to replace the damage one and only take a short time to replace it. What we don't know is the damage to the pole support and other items and that could take time to fix. This could delay testing by a week or so. As for 11 cars in the first quarter, I am assuming it doesn't include 4460-4463 that were supposed to be Dec 2017 cars. 4460 was delivery Jan 02, 4461 Jan 05, 4462 Jan 10 and 4463 Jan Jan 29. Since BBD likes the number game, I expect they will say those cars are part of the plan 11 this quarter. We should see 5 more cars in the next 5 week, but since 4460-4461 were in transit, we should see 8 more cars by end of March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed T. Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, drum118 said: We should see 5 more cars in the next 5 week, but since 4460-4461 were in transit, we should see 8 more cars by end of March. And failing ALRVs will be replaced by flying pigs! Seriously, thanks for running the numbers. I always lose track of how many times Bombardier promises to hold the football streetcar for the TTC to kick, only to pull it back at the last second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodbineSecondExit Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, drum118 said: 4465 is now tractable 4464 looks to have a number of issue and still not in service. As for 4466, TTC has poles to replace the damage one and only take a short time to replace it. What we don't know is the damage to the pole support and other items and that could take time to fix. This could delay testing by a week or so. As for 11 cars in the first quarter, I am assuming it doesn't include 4460-4463 that were supposed to be Dec 2017 cars. 4460 was delivery Jan 02, 4461 Jan 05, 4462 Jan 10 and 4463 Jan Jan 29. Since BBD likes the number game, I expect they will say those cars are part of the plan 11 this quarter. We should see 5 more cars in the next 5 week, but since 4460-4461 were in transit, we should see 8 more cars by end of March. Bombardier would never ever count the same physical cars two times in their reporting statistics! NEVER EVER!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowlingm Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 On 20/02/2018 at 9:48 AM, smallspy said: Considering that the TTC forces swap poles in the middle of the street with some regularity, I don't think that the damage to the pole is as much of an issue as you guys think it is. This is hardly a typical damage scenario Dan but sure fine okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 hours ago, dowlingm said: This is hardly a typical damage scenario Dan but sure fine okay. They replace poles in the middle of the street in less than 15 minutes. You're right in that this is not typical damage to a shipment, but considering that these things only cost $200, it's also not something worth getting worked up over. Now, if it starts to happen with some regularity then there will have to be steps taken to prevent it from happening again. But considering this is a one-off....is it really that big a deal? Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTC T6H-5307N 2252 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 4467 was spotted on the train being up north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drum118 Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 4465 has been tractable since Tuesday. After 23 days since arriving, 4464 has enter service on 510. Ether the car was not completed when it arrived or have major issues for taking this long to get into service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodbineSecondExit Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 12 hours ago, drum118 said: 4465 has been tractable since Tuesday. After 23 days since arriving, 4464 has enter service on 510. Ether the car was not completed when it arrived or have major issues for taking this long to get into service. Unofficially by my count, 4461-4464 all of the new cars for January have needed 3+ weeks to get into revenue service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drum118 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 27 minutes ago, WoodbineSecondExit said: Unofficially by my count, 4461-4464 all of the new cars for January have needed 3+ weeks to get into revenue service. My info 4460 arrived January 02 and enter service January 17 after 15 days 4461 arrived January 05 and enter service January 26 after 21 days 4462 arrived January 10 and enter service February 03 after 23 days 4463 arrived January 29 and enter service February 13 after 15 days 4464 arrived February 01 and enter service February 24 after 23 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowlingm Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 There is no chance that some of the testing delay issues are because the demands of the King pilot mean Flexity qualified operators are near-fully taxed operating scheduled service? (Plus the issues with the trolley pole carbons - keeping Leslie staff busy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allandale25 Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 4467 has arrived. https://twitter.com/lkoch99/status/968126860050579456 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doppelkupplung Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Good to see the pole down this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodbineSecondExit Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 On 2/25/2018 at 7:28 AM, dowlingm said: There is no chance that some of the testing delay issues are because the demands of the King pilot mean Flexity qualified operators are near-fully taxed operating scheduled service? (Plus the issues with the trolley pole carbons - keeping Leslie staff busy) I sure hope not! If the blistering pace of 1 new streetcar per week is causing problems with timely commissioning then what is the TTC going to do when Bombardier starts delivering 2 new streetcars per week? (LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc rider Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 1 hour ago, WoodbineSecondExit said: I sure hope not! If the blistering pace of 1 new streetcar per week is causing problems with timely commissioning then what is the TTC going to do when Bombardier starts delivering 2 new streetcars per week? (LOL) What would be more interesting is to see how much they can ramp up testing and commissioning assuming Bombardier ever starts delivering at a higher rate. By my count, there has never been a case where more than three cars were "burned in" at the same time after delivery. Assuming #4467 was offloaded today, this is the current situation, with #4465, #4466 & #4467 on property, but not yet in service. If a "fourth car" was delivered during this time (which was the case with #4454 in early December, while #4451/2/3 were still undergoing testing prior to commissioning), it was kept on hold at Hillcrest until one of the other three entered service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mar_AC_23 Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Does anyone know when 4466 arrived at Hillcrest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drum118 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Shemar said: Does anyone know when 4466 arrived at Hillcrest? February 20, 2018 from what I know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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