Wayside Observer Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 On 1/25/2020 at 9:11 AM, MK78 said: Why do they keep power on to these retired streetcars? I saw a BUNCH of them with the lights on and poles up during the week. Does that not waste power? 6 hours ago, Robert Lubinski said: If they need to move them around for any purpose it's easier than spending time and effort coupling up dead cars. I don't think they're drawing that much power sitting there idle. For sure. The power consumption is a drop in the bucket compared to putting out the compliment of new cars that’s out at any given time, three subway lines, the Scarborough RT and all the buildings and structures that are powered up around the clock. So yeah, it’s easier just to sit down at the controls and move cars as needed rather than couple dead cars to a donkey or put the pole up and cajole one that’s been off for a while in the middle of winter to start up and move around on its own. So how much juice is it using? Well, how about a science project? Ok, ok, alright, I hear the groaning about how everyone was in the middle of a grand old foam fest session and I come along and ruin it with this BS about using tools and equipment to gather objective facts and data. Anyways, one possible way to determine this would be to energize the substation at HCRR, measure current output to get a number on what’s drawn off the line with the 600 on because there should be a couple of things placing a slight load on it plus anything they’ve got direct wired on the line that draws as soon as the 600 V comes up. That’s overhead. Electrical overhead, nothing to do with overhead wire. Next step, turn on one CLRV to the point where the subsystems are on at a quiescent state. Take a second current measurement and subtract the first. You have the idle current draw of a sitting car. It’ll fluctuate a bit as the air compressor cycles etc. but not a big deal unless there’s a leak and the duty cycle gets out of line. Multiply by line voltage and now you’ve got the idle power draw of a sitting CLRV. Multiply by by the number of idle cars in the yard at Russell by the number of hours of idle time by the average hydro rate to get a ballpark cost figure. It’ll be small, a rounding error in the overall TTC operating budget. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWC Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 11:35 AM, DepthOfField said: How many are left in the yard? Just left Russell Yard - 5 CLRVs on track #22, 6 CLRVs on track on track #21, 6 CLRVs on track #20 (CLRV #4178 was up front on track #20). A Flexity was alone on track #19 with its destination sign & lights off! All doors on the barn were closed so I couldn't see if any CLRVS were inside. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWC Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 As of today no movement of CLRVs exact same placement as on January 27th. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streety McCarface Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 Have there been no movements today either? Does this mean like 10 cars are going to be sent for the torch tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTC4120fan Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Streety McCarface said: Have there been no movements today either? Does this mean like 10 cars are going to be sent for the torch tomorrow? A few cars were moved to another track. Cars 4040 4051 4133 and 4193. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLRV4094 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 15 hours ago, Matthew TTC 4120 said: A few cars were moved to another track. Cars 4040 4051 4133 and 4193. Passed by an hour ago. 4040 appeared to be stripped. 4133 was coupled up to 4193. 4178 is on 20 Track, and 4024 is on 19. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streety McCarface Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 https://www.facebook.com/neerhs/ Seashore has confirmed that they are acquiring 4068 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWC Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 Just left Russell Yard - 6 CLRVs on track #19, - 6 CLRVs on track #20 (4178 up front on track #20). No other visible CLRVs other than on the dead tracks. Couldn't see if any CLRVs were inside the barn as the doors were closed! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWC Posted February 3, 2020 Report Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 4:19 PM, JWC said: Just left Russell Yard - 6 CLRVs on track #19, - 6 CLRVs on track #20 (4178 up front on track #20). No other visible CLRVs other than on the dead tracks. Couldn't see if any CLRVs were inside the barn as the doors were closed! Just left Russell Yard - 8 CLRVs on track #19, - 6 CLRVs on track #20 (4178 up front on track #20). 4 CLRVs parked outside close to the Barn. Couldn't see if any CLRVs were inside the barn as the doors were closed! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bus_7246 Posted February 3, 2020 Report Share Posted February 3, 2020 4 hours ago, JWC said: Just left Russell Yard - 8 CLRVs on track #19, - 6 CLRVs on track #20 (4178 up front on track #20). 4 CLRVs parked outside close to the Barn. Couldn't see if any CLRVs were inside the barn as the doors were closed! You missed the two cars on 7 track. The roofline of the two cars is visible from the street as they are parked behind a PCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWC Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, bus_7246 said: You missed the two cars on 7 track. The roofline of the two cars is visible from the street as they are parked behind a PCC Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLRV4094 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 hours ago, bus_7246 said: You missed the two cars on 7 track. The roofline of the two cars is visible from the street as they are parked behind a PCC Those "two cars" just so happen to be the CLRVs TTC are keeping, 4001 and 4081. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted February 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 Is it actually confirmed that 4081 is the historical car they're going with? Didn't Mike Filey write in the Sun that 4089 is the other one that they're keeping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLRV4094 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, PCC Guy said: Is it actually confirmed that 4081 is the historical car they're going with? Didn't Mike Filey write in the Sun that 4089 is the other one that they're keeping? He did indeed, but 4081 appears to be the historical unit of choice now. Judging by where it's parked and all. Now what this means for 4089, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oke Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 A HR guy told me on the ALRV farewell trip in September said they’re planning on keeping 7 CLRV’s and 4207 he knew back then that 4204 was going to Halton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLRV4094 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 Just now, John Oke said: A HR guy told me on the ALRV farewell trip in September said they’re planning on keeping 7 CLRV’s and 4207 he knew back then that 4204 was going to Halton 7 Cs? Well, the CEO's Report says only 2 CLRVs are not being disposed of. A lot of misinformation here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drum118 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 8 hours ago, CLRV4094 said: 7 Cs? Well, the CEO's Report says only 2 CLRVs are not being disposed of. A lot of misinformation here. I have heard the same thing that TTC was keeping 7 C months ago. I expect some will be for parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, drum118 said: I have heard the same thing that TTC was keeping 7 C months ago. I expect some will be for parts. Perhaps "keeping" as in terms of "not junking"? 3 went to Halton, 1 to USA. Rumours of 4178 being preserved somewhere. 2 for TTC. That's 7. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1122 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, nfitz said: Perhaps "keeping" as in terms of "not junking"? 3 went to Halton, 1 to USA. Rumours of 4178 being preserved somewhere. 2 for TTC. That's 7. Make it 8 with2 going to USA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Tom1122 said: Make it 8 with2 going to USA. Oh has that been confirmed? What's going where? And where is 4178 going (if anywhere)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLRV4094 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, nfitz said: Oh has that been confirmed? What's going where? And where is 4178 going (if anywhere)? 4001 and 4081 staying at TTC. 4003, 4010 and 4039 at Halton. 4034 at IRM. 4068 going to Seashore (also the US), and 4178 going to Halton 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted February 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, nfitz said: Oh has that been confirmed? What's going where? And where is 4178 going (if anywhere)? 4034 went to the IRM and 4068 to Seashore. Stuart Green confirmed 4178 was going to Halton. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splendidwizardplayer Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, PCC Guy said: Stuart Green confirmed 4178 was going to Halton It's got the green tape and Halton confirmed on it's Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/Mohamad49528908/status/1223352530429714433 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWC Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 On 1/11/2020 at 10:34 AM, Robert Lubinski said: The shedman sweeping the PCC later went to Greenwood Shops and worked on subway gearboxes, I was told he retired about five years ago or so! ust left Russell Yard - 6 CLRVs on track #19, - 6 CLRVs on track #20 (4178 up front on track #20). No other visible CLRVs other than on the dead tracks. Couldn't see if any CLRVs were inside the barn as the doors were closed! On 1/31/2020 at 4:19 PM, JWC said: Just left Russell Yard - 6 CLRVs on track #19, - 6 CLRVs on track #20 (4178 up front on track #20). No other visible CLRVs other than on the dead tracks. Couldn't see if any CLRVs were inside the barn as the doors were closed! Feb 4 - Just left Russell Yard - 8 CLRVs on track #19, - 6 CLRVs on track #20 (4178 up front on track #20). 4 CLRVs parked outside close to the Barn. Couldn't see if any CLRVs were inside the barn as the doors were closed. 3 Flexities and no PCCs also. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bus_7246 Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, JWC said: Feb 4 - Just left Russell Yard - 8 CLRVs on track #19, - 6 CLRVs on track #20 (4178 up front on track #20). 4 CLRVs parked outside close to the Barn. Couldn't see if any CLRVs were inside the barn as the doors were closed. 3 Flexities and no PCCs also. There’s no need for the daily updates if it’s gonna be the same thing you see every single day. Also, once again, 4001 and 4081 (I’m unsure of the order) are parked behind the PCC on 7 track 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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