Your wishlist of route changes, try to keep it realistic (The sequel)

[Mike]

8 hours ago, covidhippo123 said:

Newly revised: my wishlists for future TTC route changes and reallocations.

-7 Bathurst is shortened to Wilson station. 160 Bathurst North now has ten minute-frequency and better.

-160 Bathurst North gains frequent 10 minute or better service as 7 Bathurst is shortened to Wilson station. Two branches: A to Promenade, B to  Steeles

-A new route, 907 Bathurst Express, is launched as 7 Bathurst is shortened to Wilson station. 

Have you ever actually taken route 7?  There are a lot of riders that go from south of Wilson to points north of Wilson.  Essentially splitting service at Wilson and forcing a transfer on passengers is a terrible idea.  What is needed is improvements in reliability of service over the route, but your proposed  changes are not the way to achieve that.

[erniewitt]

How about a blue night one?

 

302 becomes 316 McCowan blue night from Steeles to Main Street Station via McCowan and Danforth (combining old 129 with 16)

343 Kennedy Blue night extended to Main Street Station (combining 43 and 113)

302 Markham Rd. Blue Night Steeles to Bingham Loop (combining 102 and 12)

Shorten 300B to Main Street station. 

This way the routes can transfer at a common point.

If TTC doesn't want to use Main street as the transfer point they can use Bingham loop. 

[FlyerD901]

46 minutes ago, erniewitt said:

How about a blue night one?

 

302 becomes 316 McCowan blue night from Steeles to Main Street Station via McCowan and Danforth (combining old 129 with 16)

343 Kennedy Blue night extended to Main Street Station (combining 43 and 113)

302 Markham Rd. Blue Night Steeles to Bingham Loop (combining 102 and 12)

Shorten 300B to Main Street station. 

This way the routes can transfer at a common point.

If TTC doesn't want to use Main street as the transfer point they can use Bingham loop. 

I like this idea. But unfortunately, I don't see TTC keeping Main Station open just for the sake of transfers. It means they'll need someone overnight at Main station. Only beef I have with your plan would be the connection of your 302 Markham and 300 night bus, customers would have to transfer twice. 

300 is suppose to mirror the BD, with a connection to the Airport. But at night the travel pattern is different because of the network. 

I wish 335 Jane via Park Lawn went to either lake shore or Humber loop to connect with 301 Queen, same with 341 keele night. People coming from downtown can take Queen night car, instead of going along 300 to Keele and Jane respectively. I recall a lot of ppl transferring to the Jane night bus when it use to go to Sunnyside loop, Queen & Roncy. Connections at night are crucial. 

 

[Tom1122]

For YRT: Extend either route 83 or 90 to Gormley GO to meet the trains.

Likewise, extend route 54 to Bloomington or a new GO shuttle to connect the station to the YRT network.

[MorningsideExpress]

Here is a wish list I've been working on for Durham Region for some time. Given the new service cuts and changes in Durham, it's provided new inspiration on what the system would look like if it reverted back to a more conventional route numbering system, as opposed to a zone-based numbering system. Also, I've included two routes that might offer better service to Pickering Casino. 

DRT 2035

BUS SERVICE - PICKERING CASINO

[ngdvd]

https://www.docdroid.net/sXXZOUj/mississauga-transit-2024-pdf

[Kumiko Oumae]

Opportunity knocks

43 KENNEDY and 134 PROGRESS: Reorganization 
- With the 43C discontinued and maybe the 943 dead or coming back, the 43B is replaced by the extended 134 to Kennedy Station. Branch 43A is redesignated as 43.
- 134 PROGRESS buses extended westbound to Kennedy Station replacing the 43B branch.

If none of the above work, I'd say reinstate the 43B/134 interline that was cancelled in 2011.

[ngdvd]

https://pdfhost.io/v/ggrilDhnt_Mississauga_Transit_System_MaUpdated map for MiWay, taking more into account high school students, the takeover of TTC service along Bloor and Burhamthorpe, and also a response to the recent removal of all-day east-west service into Streetsville (which is just stupid, seriously). I think the service there without route 9, by having a new route take over Thomas from 9 and have the 9 take over Tenth Line from the 46. I also added the upcoming Eglinton Express to Kipling which I think should involve truncating the 35 at Renforth, which would help alleviate the overcrowding along Eglinton.

Overcrowding really is the most important issue for MiWay right now, some of this must be addressed by redesign of other routes, such as taking 39 Britannia off Lisgar Dr. This would allow buses to be taken off Lisgar to be address the severe overcrowding along Britannia and Matheson. Shortening the 39 would also make it easier for it stay on schedule. It would just be a more efficient use of buses compared to the current route which is overly long and tries to serve Lisgar, Britannia and Matheson at the same time, three corridors with very different levels of demand.

https://pdfhost.io/v/ggrilDhnt_Mississauga_Transit_System_Map_2024

[Novabus photographer]

I have a few ideas:

999 Finch Malvern express: Replaces 939C with a new route that goes from Don Mills station to morningside heights. This route would operate as a partial “super express” route like the 986, with no stops at all between Seneca college and Kennedy road (similar to how the 986 is way faster than the 905). Commute times from morningside heights to the city are abysmal, and there is already decent local and express service serving finch ave closer to the city, so the new route (I’ll call it route 999 Finch-Malvern express) is meant to bring people from the far east of Scarborough into Toronto faster, with fewer stops than the 939C and quicker subway connection. Going to don mills instead of finch station would also save some time. Express service serving parts of finch closer to Yonge will still be served by branches 939A and B. This new route will fully replace the 939C

907 Bathurst express: I’m surprised there’s no express service on Bathurst already, since the route is already extremely busy. Replace some local 7 service with 907 service 

963 Ossington express: this would be peak period only, however a 2nd 963B branch would operate seasonally to Ontario place from ossington station during summer

 

again, these are just my ideas, I don’t know if they are any good or not

[Kumiko Oumae]

On 7/15/2024 at 11:51 PM, Novabus photographer said:

I have a few ideas:

999 Finch Malvern express: Replaces 939C with a new route that goes from Don Mills station to morningside heights. This route would operate as a partial “super express” route like the 986, with no stops at all between Seneca college and Kennedy road (similar to how the 986 is way faster than the 905). Commute times from morningside heights to the city are abysmal, and there is already decent local and express service serving finch ave closer to the city, so the new route (I’ll call it route 999 Finch-Malvern express) is meant to bring people from the far east of Scarborough into Toronto faster, with fewer stops than the 939C and quicker subway connection. Going to don mills instead of finch station would also save some time. Express service serving parts of finch closer to Yonge will still be served by branches 939A and B. This new route will fully replace the 939C

907 Bathurst express: I’m surprised there’s no express service on Bathurst already, since the route is already extremely busy. Replace some local 7 service with 907 service 

963 Ossington express: this would be peak period only, however a 2nd 963B branch would operate seasonally to Ontario place from ossington station during summer

 

again, these are just my ideas, I don’t know if they are any good or not

999 seems to replicate the former 139 except it gets extended to Morningside Heights.

On 1/3/2024 at 11:34 AM, erniewitt said:

How about a blue night one?

 

302 becomes 316 McCowan blue night from Steeles to Main Street Station via McCowan and Danforth (combining old 129 with 16)

343 Kennedy Blue night extended to Main Street Station (combining 43 and 113)

302 Markham Rd. Blue Night Steeles to Bingham Loop (combining 102 and 12)

Shorten 300B to Main Street station. 

This way the routes can transfer at a common point.

If TTC doesn't want to use Main street as the transfer point they can use Bingham loop. 

I just said a while back Lansdowne should get night service again along with Weston Road should should get them as well.

[Someguy3071]

20 hours ago, Kumiko Oumae said:

999 seems to replicate the former 139 except it gets extended to Morningside Heights.

I just said a while back Lansdowne should get night service again along with Weston Road should should get them as well.

Lansdowne sucks on a good day. Lansdowne night bus would be even worse Dufferin night bus is available within a 10 minutes walk. On the west side of Lansdowne you have night street car service to Dundas West station, as well as Keele night bus. 

[Novabus photographer]

21 hours ago, Kumiko Oumae said:

999 seems to replicate the former 139 except it gets extended to Morningside Heights.

I just said a while back Lansdowne should get night service again along with Weston Road should should get them as well.

Not entirely, as the 139 ran completely local service from finch and don mills along finch ave. The 999 would run express most of the way from don mills station to middlefield, and then local from there to morningside heights. The proposed express stops I have would be (until middlefield where it runs local)

• don mills station

• Seneca college

• finch and Kennedy 

• finch and midland

• finch and Brimley

• finch and mccowan

• finch and middlefield 

and then local service from middlefield road to morningside heights. The 999 would skip many of the stops the 939 stops at on that part of finch, since the 999 would mainly serve to connect morningside heights and the parts of Scarborough further out into the city, similar to how the 905 and 986 are both express routes on Eglinton ave east, but 986 has way fewer stops and is a much faster route 

[Ed T.]

On 7/18/2024 at 1:10 PM, Someguy3071 said:

Lansdowne sucks on a good day. Lansdowne night bus would be even worse Dufferin night bus is available within a 10 minutes walk. On the west side of Lansdowne you have night street car service to Dundas West station, as well as Keele night bus. 

Explain how Lansdowne sucks. I can think of multiple interpretations.

As you may know, there's a railway corridor between Lansdowne and points west, from south of Dundas to, well, all the way. The Keele bus is not an option.

Lansdowne runs through a pretty dense neighbourhood, which I imagine may be more transit-dependent than the average. On the other hand, night service on Lansdowne (and Ossington) was there for the benefit of shift workers at the factories on those roads. Most of those are condos and townhouses now.

[D4-N173]

Please shorten 20 to VP thank you.....

[MorningsideExpress]

903 Highway 2-Harwood South DRT

[ngdvd]

MiWishlist map updated for 2026 because it is looking like the LRT will not open until 2026. Also updated to take into account recent and planned MiWay service changes in 2024, and service changes in 2025 that have been hinted at, such as Express routes along Eglinton, Mavis, and McLaughlin.

The main things on my wishlist are all-day service along the entirety of Thomas Street to Streetsville, restoring Dundas service to Oakville Uptown Core, and service to Cawthra transitway station.

In they past, they have proposed a route serving both Thomas Street and Erin Centre Blvd and I just put that here. They have also proposed rerouting 8 Cawthra north to Cawthra station and south along Lakeshore and again I use basically the same route.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bLDEPgnPPHSSh10mX3AcYoNMHRMJvgRu/view?usp=drive_link

[New Flyer]

For TTC:

Bring the 76B Royal York South to Humber Loop instead of on Grand Avenue. Two-way, but still a limited service route.

49 Bloor West brought up Mill Road and terminates at the loop where 48 Rathburn terminates. Renamed 49 Bloor West-Mill Rd.

37 Islington becomes a 10-Minute Network. 37A brought up to Humber College Station.

Interline the 76 Royal York South and the 73 Royal York. This way, passengers who need to go north of Royal York Station don't need to transfer. I have to deal with this issue often and I find it rather frustrating.

55 Warren Park changed to Old Mill Station. This will mean faster service as there is less travel time (and traffic) going north on Prince Edward versus on Jane St.

189 Stockyards changed to Keele Station. This will also provide faster service. Discontinue the 30/189 interline.

40 Junction-Dundas West changed to Islington Station. When Islington (finally) gets its new bus terminal, the 40 will be able to operate out of Islington.

Interline the 40 and the 50 Burnhamthorpe. This will mean that the 50 gets the faster service that it actually needs. 

Discontinue the 16 McCowan. 129 McCowan North adjusted to follow the existing path of the 16. To be renamed simply 129 McCowan.

 

[H4 5600]

9 minutes ago, New Flyer said:

For TTC:

Bring the 76B Royal York South to Humber Loop instead of on Grand Avenue. Two-way, but still a limited service route.

49 Bloor West brought up Mill Road and terminates at the loop where 48 Rathburn terminates. Renamed 49 Bloor West-Mill Rd.

37 Islington becomes a 10-Minute Network. 37A brought up to Humber College Station.

Interline the 76 Royal York South and the 73 Royal York. This way, passengers who need to go north of Royal York Station don't need to transfer. I have to deal with this issue often and I find it rather frustrating.

55 Warren Park changed to Old Mill Station. This will mean faster service as there is less travel time (and traffic) going north on Prince Edward versus on Jane St.

189 Stockyards changed to Keele Station. This will also provide faster service. Discontinue the 30/189 interline.

40 Junction-Dundas West changed to Islington Station. When Islington (finally) gets its new bus terminal, the 40 will be able to operate out of Islington.

Interline the 40 and the 50 Burnhamthorpe. This will mean that the 50 gets the faster service that it actually needs. 

Discontinue the 16 McCowan. 129 McCowan North adjusted to follow the existing path of the 16. To be renamed simply 129 McCowan.

 

There are a few problems with some of these ideas:

-Putting the 76B at humber loop would defeat the entire point of the 76B, which is to provide service in the grand avenue area. There is a decent amount of people that ride it to get to the townhouses and apartments near grand and manitoba street.

-76 and 73C interlining is a bad idea. 73C often gets held up in traffic, which would severely affect the gaps on the 76A. They did this a few years ago during construction and it was quite unreliable because of delays on the 73C. 

-The reason 189 is at High Park and not Keele is due to lack of space in Keele station. Honestly, i think they should move the 80 back to High Park as well, as the 80 buses taking their layover frequently block the 41/89 and cause congestion in the station.

-40A and 50 interlining sounds like an absolute disaster and a repeat of the recent 40A/49 interline. The 40A buses would get stuck in traffic in the junction area and completely screw up the gaps on the 49, causing 60+ minute waits for a 49.  The exact same thing would happen if they interlined the 40A and 50.

 

[T3G]

9 hours ago, New Flyer said:

Interline the 40 and the 50 Burnhamthorpe. This will mean that the 50 gets the faster service that it actually needs.

By what process would interlining the 40 and 50 make service on the 50 faster?

[STC125]

9 hours ago, New Flyer said:

For TTC:

Bring the 76B Royal York South to Humber Loop instead of on Grand Avenue. Two-way, but still a limited service route.

49 Bloor West brought up Mill Road and terminates at the loop where 48 Rathburn terminates. Renamed 49 Bloor West-Mill Rd.

37 Islington becomes a 10-Minute Network. 37A brought up to Humber College Station.

Interline the 76 Royal York South and the 73 Royal York. This way, passengers who need to go north of Royal York Station don't need to transfer. I have to deal with this issue often and I find it rather frustrating.

55 Warren Park changed to Old Mill Station. This will mean faster service as there is less travel time (and traffic) going north on Prince Edward versus on Jane St.

189 Stockyards changed to Keele Station. This will also provide faster service. Discontinue the 30/189 interline.

40 Junction-Dundas West changed to Islington Station. When Islington (finally) gets its new bus terminal, the 40 will be able to operate out of Islington.

Interline the 40 and the 50 Burnhamthorpe. This will mean that the 50 gets the faster service that it actually needs. 

Discontinue the 16 McCowan. 129 McCowan North adjusted to follow the existing path of the 16. To be renamed simply 129 McCowan.

 

- 49 Bloor West running up Mill Rd is proposed in the TTC's 2025 service plan, though continuing past Rathburn all the way to Renforth Stn.

- 55 Warren Park might work being rerouted away from Jane, though I suspect the ridership at this point is focused in that directions due to shops and other trip generators. The main problem with the proposal is that there are speed humps on Prince Edward Dr between Queen Anne Rd and Government Rd in a school zone. The TTC has a policy not to run scheduled service on streets with speed humps. I also imagine that the local residents would not be happy to see the speed humps removed. It has also been 28 years since the TTC removed bus service from that portion of Prince Edward Dr and they state that there has not been significant demand for its restoration.

- Rerouting the 40 to Islington Stn would remove service from Dundas St between Islington and Kipling as well as the numerous apartments along Mabelle Av which would result in a net negative to the system overall.

- Merging service on McCowan Rd will likely run into the same issue as with the 73 & 76, different travel demands on each route. The 16 used to provide a single service along McCowan from Warden Stn to Finch Av in the early 80's. It was cut back to STC with the opening of the RT and the route configuration has remained the same pretty well since then. Even after the subway extension opens in 2030 (fingers crossed) the current arrangement will likely continue due to the different travel demand north & south of STC/Sheppard, depending on where the TTC chooses to terminate the 16 & 129.

- I could see a possibility of the 76B being routed to Humber Loop if it still served its existing market. This could be done by having the buses continue south on Royal York to Portland St then run east on Portland, north on Grand Av to The Queensway and then east to Humber Loop. Return would be the reverse routing, west Queensway, south Grand, west Portland to Royal York and regular route to the subway. The question is if this would provide a desired service and be able to operate with existing resources, as I suspect the TTC would not be willing to add an additional vehicle to meet the extended driving time. I also expect that they would not be willing to remove service from Grand Av in favour of sending a Royal York bus to Humber Loop. 

[TTC7447]

7 hours ago, STC125 said:

The TTC has a policy not to run scheduled service on streets with speed humps.

Wait a minute.  Is this really a thing?  The 162 Lawrence-Donway runs down streets with speed humps, and I’m certain I’ve been on other routes that go over speed humps as well.

[Kumiko Oumae]

8 hours ago, STC125 said:

-- Merging service on McCowan Rd will likely run into the same issue as with the 73 & 76, different travel demands on each route. The 16 used to provide a single service along McCowan from Warden Stn to Finch Av in the early 80's. It was cut back to STC with the opening of the RT and the route configuration has remained the same pretty well since then. Even after the subway extension opens in 2030 (fingers crossed) the current arrangement will likely continue due to the different travel demand north & south of STC/Sheppard, depending on where the TTC chooses to terminate the 16 & 129.

That arrangement would render moot however. The 16 McCOWAN is practically older than the 129. To correct you, it got replaced by the 21 BRIMLEY extension in 1976 when the 16 was cut back to operate at Town Centre before being replaced by the 129 MCCOWAN NORTH in 1985. 

The 16 could get cut back to the new Lawrence East Station running north to Steeles, with the 129A taken over by YRT running from Sheppard East Station. Service on the 16 south of Lawrence is replaced by the 113 DANFORTH extension via a branch or a rerouting. 

[New Flyer]

21 hours ago, H4 5600 said:

76 and 73C interlining is a bad idea. 73C often gets held up in traffic, which would severely affect the gaps on the 76A. They did this a few years ago during construction and it was quite unreliable because of delays on the 73C. 

-The reason 189 is at High Park and not Keele is due to lack of space in Keele station. Honestly, i think they should move the 80 back to High Park as well, as the 80 buses taking their layover frequently block the 41/89 and cause congestion in the station.

-40A and 50 interlining sounds like an absolute disaster and a repeat of the recent 40A/49 interline. The 40A buses would get stuck in traffic in the junction area and completely screw up the gaps on the 49, causing 60+ minute waits for a 49.  The exact same thing would happen if they interlined the 40A and 50.

I was thinking 73B as I remember someone saying that the 118 will be extended to Claireport. This would mean that the 73C would ideally be discontinued, and the 73D could become a regular service route. Interlining the 76A and the 73B would mean that the bus wouldn’t even need to stop in the bus terminal going northbound, which would save time and make up for any time lost stuck in traffic. The 76B could interline with the 73D or the 48 and the same would still be true.

The 80 at High Park sounds like a good idea to me if it’s just causing more congestion at Keele. Since the 189 has less frequent service than the 80, this would solve the problem with the 41/89. My only concern with this is that the 80 would get stuck in traffic while on Bloor going to Parkside Drive. Another possibility would be the 80 going to Dundas West station and sharing a bay with the 40. This would make more sense than High Park as it would be going backward only to go the other way. At Dundas West it could go west on Bloor and turn left on Parkside. 
 

If the 40 and the 50 interline sounds like a bad idea, then maybe it’s best to separate the two. My original idea was for the 40 to move to Islington because Kipling Station’s bus terminal is a mess on a good day. It could follow its existing route, but turn on Bloor and go east to Islington instead of on Cordova. Of course, this would have to wait until 2026 when the new bus terminal at Islington is complete. 

Another idea is that the 50 and the 110 interline. This would mean that whichever direction the bus is going, it doesn’t need to enter the bus terminal, saving travel time.

Oh, I also forgot to add one more thing in my original statement. Introduce new route 136 Norseman. Branch 136A would follow the original routing from Royal York Station along Norseman and looping on Six Points/Advance. Branch 136C would follow the same routing on Six Points, except it would turn left on Advance and go to Islington Station. There would be space in the new bus terminal as the 50 and the 110 will no longer operate in the bus terminal.  
 

Also, introduce new branch 123G Sherway. This branch, regular service, would follow the routing of the 123F, except it will turn left on The East Mall and continue south on East Mall to Queensway. This would discontinue the 123D and could replace the 123B as well, if it follows the routing of the current 123B south of Sherway. The East Mall from Dundas to North Queen is a neglected area of the city which has fair demand for transit service, and the easiest solution would be another branch of the 123. Otherwise, the 123B could just be rerouted to follow this plan.

Edited August 17, 2024 by New Flyer
123G Sherway added

[TTC Guy]

1 hour ago, New Flyer said:

I was thinking 73B as I remember someone saying that the 118 will be extended to Claireport. This would mean that the 73C would ideally be discontinued, and the 73D could become a regular service route. Interlining the 76A and the 73B would mean that the bus wouldn’t even need to stop in the bus terminal going northbound, which would save time and make up for any time lost stuck in traffic. The 76B could interline with the 73D or the 48 and the same would still be true.

The 80 at High Park sounds like a good idea to me if it’s just causing more congestion at Keele. Since the 189 has less frequent service than the 80, this would solve the problem with the 41/89. My only concern with this is that the 80 would get stuck in traffic while on Bloor going to Parkside Drive. Another possibility would be the 80 going to Dundas West station and sharing a bay with the 40. This would make more sense than High Park as it would be going backward only to go the other way. At Dundas West it could go west on Bloor and turn left on Parkside. 
 

If the 40 and the 50 interline sounds like a bad idea, then maybe it’s best to separate the two. My original idea was for the 40 to move to Islington because Kipling Station’s bus terminal is a mess on a good day. It could follow its existing route, but turn on Bloor and go east to Islington instead of on Cordova. Of course, this would have to wait until 2026 when the new bus terminal at Islington is complete. 

Another idea is that the 50 and the 110 interline. This would mean that whichever direction the bus is going, it doesn’t need to enter the bus terminal, saving travel time.

Oh, I also forgot to add one more thing in my original statement. Introduce new route 136 Norseman. Branch 136A would follow the original routing from Royal York Station along Norseman and looping on Six Points/Advance. Branch 136C would follow the same routing on Six Points, except it would turn left on Advance and go to Islington Station. There would be space in the new bus terminal as the 50 and the 110 will no longer operate in the bus terminal.  
 

Also, introduce new branch 123G Sherway. This branch, regular service, would follow the routing of the 123F, except it will turn left on The East Mall and continue south on East Mall to Queensway. This would discontinue the 123D and could replace the 123B as well, if it follows the routing of the current 123B south of Sherway. The East Mall from Dundas to North Queen is a neglected area of the city which has fair demand for transit service, and the easiest solution would be another branch of the 123. Otherwise, the 123B could just be rerouted to follow this plan.

It doesn’t make sense to have buses serving on street when they can be in paid fare zone, unless there is a NEED for it. Passengers don’t need to tap their card an extra time and proper all door boarding can happen. Operators can also take a layover in the station (keeping vehicles away from traffic.) Additionally, if other branches are serving inside, it will create a chaotic environment where people are waiting halfway between each location and rushing when the bus arrives, it clogs up the space for other passengers. Finally, an interline between the 73B and 76B already exists and works, why change it up?

 

As someone who is along Bloor between  High Park and Keele daily, the traffic is rarely problematic. If there is traffic, it’s between Dundas West and Keele. Routing the 80 to High Park makes sense because it does cause problems for the 41/89 but cutting the 189 back there just replaces the problem, even with the slightly reduced service. High Park Stn can also easily handle all 3 routes. 
 

The 40 services Kipling so infrequently to cause actual problems I wouldn’t switch stuff around, nor would I interline the 50 and 110. First, the 50 is set to be removed in the foreseeable future, and replaced by Miway 26, and second the 110 has a much higher frequency than the 50. Again, see my point above about removing service from inside a fare paid station just for an interline. I have found the 40 looses a lot of time from the Mabelle/Cordova chunk, if they were to route the 50 through there while keeping the 40 on Dundas, would provide residents a faster connection to/from Islington Station, provided they increase service on the 50.

 

I like the idea of a Norseman bus, but I feel it would run better as 1 branch, from Kipling Station to Royal York/Queenway, looping using the old 76C routing. This way it would help relieve the 15/76 pressure from the 3 schools on Royal York in that area, linking them to the Kipling Stn and the plentiful connections there, and of course providing new service on Norseman. 
 

I think running a 123 branch down East Mall from Dundas is overdue, and it could serve as a good replacement for the 123D, but service isn’t need 18/7, instead keeping the 123B to continue to link passengers down to Long Branch is important, schedules and service times would have to be adjusted though.

[Xtrazsteve]

I don't think they need service on East Mall between Dundas (correctly specking East Mall Cres.) to Shorncliffe. All the industrial sites are within 350m walking distance to a current bus stop. We really don't need a bus for sightseeing. Reallocation of resources don't make sense. New resources used for a new branch just adds more confusion.