Enviro 500 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I went to OTC after school, hoping to see 2501 out on a road test so I could get photos of it (and share with you guys!) Anyway, god did indeed answer my prayer! As I was getting close to OTC, 2501 was making a right turn out onto 41st, and split its poles among the left-turn wire and the westbound wire! Therefore, I was able to set myself in "ready position" and captured the beauty! After she left, I waited at OTC for one whole damn hour for her return. She did indeed return at 5:15pm, after approximately 58 minutes of road test (so it left at around 4:17pm) Here's a photo of her crossing good old 41st & Oak! http://www.trans-vancouver.fotopic.net/p38376407.html and a shot of her making a left turn into OTC from 41st! http://www.trans-vancouver.fotopic.net/p38376364.html For more photos, click on the link below: http://www.trans-vancouver.fotopic.net/c1202337.html Enjoy the photos! Comments welcome! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VIII Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Very nice David, and you caught the classic "CHECK MW" rear destination sign! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enviro 500 Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Very nice David, and you caught the classic "CHECK MW" rear destination sign! That's actually a pretty typical and easy sign to get..........I would've wished for something more creative than that! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yrt304 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 License Plate Reads Manitoba D 40675 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pccstreetcar4549 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 License Plate Reads Manitoba D 40675 while thats odd, it was bulit in winnpeg afterall and becuase its on a test run its possible its still in NFI ownership just assuming here. anybody know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted February 7, 2007 Board Admin Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Yeah, the official owner of 2501 right now is probably New Flyer, until they officially hand it over to TransLink. With the power steering problems on the E40LFs I don't know if TransLink will accept it until that's fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRT Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Wonder if 2501 is the same as the rest of the E40LFRs as far as it's electric drive motor, anybody know if it has the same motor or one thats a bit more powerfull due to it's extra weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevlo86 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Wonder if 2501 is the same as the rest of the E40LFs as far as it's electric drive motor, anybody know if it has the same motor or one thats a bit more powerfull due to it's extra weight? Same motor is what I have heard. The motors on the E40LFR's are "governed" as in their actual maximium power isin't being used on full throtle acceleration. This is because the motors have more then enough power. So on the E60LFR, I would assume they would just govern the output power accordingly as well. I recall reading this somewhere, but please someone correct me if I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCW Metrobus Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Same motor is what I have heard. The motors on the E40LFR's are "governed" as in their actual maximium power isin't being used on full throtle acceleration. This is because the motors have more then enough power. So on the E60LFR, I would assume they would just govern the output power accordingly as well. I recall reading this somewhere, but please someone correct me if I am wrong. Precisely. Or as Derek Cheung put it, "The E40LFR is software 'suppressed' from operating at the motor's maximum output. If allowed to go at the full potential, burn rubber!!!" So I would assume the E60LFR would be software governed to "burn a little more rubber" than the E40LFR does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted February 7, 2007 Board Admin Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 E40LF: Traction inverter IGBT direct pulse inverter Kiepe DPU 450 Input voltage DC 600 V (+20 %, - 30 %) Output permanent/max. 250 kW / 600 KVA for t Traction motor Force-ventilated three-phase asynchronous motor Type 19 ML3550 K/4 Rated output 240 kW Rated voltage 420 V Rated current 407 A Rated frequency 50 Hz Rated speed 1476 min-1 E60LF: Traction inverter IGBT direct pulse inverter Kiepe DPU 450 Input voltage DC 600 V (+ 25 %, - 30 %) Output permanent/max. 250 kW / 600 kVA for t Traction motor Force-ventilated three-phase asynchronous motor Type 19 ML3550 K/4 Rated output 240 kW Rated voltage 420 V Rated current 407 A Rated frequency 50 Hz Rated speed 1476 min-1 From technical data by Vossloh Kiepe. From what I can tell, just the input voltage is different. But the performance charts are also different: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modulator Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 E40LF: Input voltage DC 600 V (+20 %, - 30 %) E60LF: Input voltage DC 600 V (+ 25 %, - 30 %) One of those is a typo. Even if the E60LFR can actually handle a higher line voltage, it's not going to need to in Vancouver--and so it won't affect performance. While the Vossloh-Kiepe brochure people were kind enough to scale them differently, here are the two charts overlapping: The performance of the two vehicles is pretty much the same, but the E60LF draws more current. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR SD40-2 Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 i think new flyer could have done better to try and hide the wireing over the bellows!looks dumb that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted February 9, 2007 Board Admin Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Well you can't exactly put a metal piece over it to conceal it, or it wouldn't be articulated anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 I'm surprised that they wouldn't power the middle axle, as was done with the San Fransisco E60LF's and as can be done (as claimed) by New Flyer on their DE60LF's. And of course the E60LF's would draw more current....they require more force to get the bigger vehicle started. Ashton, those numbers from Vossloh-Kiepe...are they continuous ratings, or 1hr/half-hour/short-term? And as well, do they have torque ratings available? Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Ashton, those numbers from Vossloh-Kiepe...are they continuous ratings, or 1hr/half-hour/short-term? And as well, do they have torque ratings available?Dan If you haven't seen it, this file may or may not answer some of your questions. I believe it's where Ashton pulled some of his info. http://www.vossloh-kiepe.com/files/Vancouver_fr.engl_507.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted February 10, 2007 Board Admin Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Yeah, the information was copied and pasted directly from that file. You might want to check in there, because I'm not really sure. :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevlo86 Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 I'm surprised that they wouldn't power the middle axle, as was done with the San Fransisco E60LF's Dan I assume you meant San Francisco E60's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 I'm surprised that they wouldn't power the middle axle, as was done with the San Fransisco E60LF's and as can be done (as claimed) by New Flyer on their DE60LF's. Dan When did NFI say they could power the middle axle? Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Martin: the file didn't have have the info. I haven't found it anywhere, actually. Kevin: Yes, you're absolutely right, I did. Or rather, I should have ment E60's. Jeff: I can't recall explicitly where they've said that, but in hindsight it couldn't have been in the literature for the DE60LF's they built for Seattle, as those use Allison's HybriDrive system. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 2501 in motion... http://members.shaw.ca/dennistt/2501reverse.avi http://members.shaw.ca/dentsang/2501uturn.avi (using aux power) http://members.shaw.ca/dentsang/2501forward.avi Being on the other side of the fence, I couldn't get a great view. 2501 should spend more time outside OTC These new trolleys go so fast on aux power compared to the old ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted February 14, 2007 Board Admin Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Nice videos! That must be the fastest accelerating artic in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaintrolley Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 They won't play on my home computer, hopefully they will play on my work computer in the morning. Edit: Morning has arrived, and yes, the videos worked.....very nice footage. Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wil9402 Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Nice to see artic trolleys in Vanocuver, definatly something to look for next time I'm in Vancouver. are there any routes planed to use them once they enter revenue service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCW Metrobus Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Nice to see artic trolleys in Vanocuver, definatly something to look for next time I'm in Vancouver. are there any routes planed to use them once they enter revenue service? We've been told, but they people who tell us these things keep changing their mind. At first the plan was to use them on routes 3 Main and 20 Victoria, then we heard they would be used on the 9 (Broadway), and now I don't know what the official word is. Keep in mind though, any predetermined plan is always subject to change. The first production E40LFRs, before they began arriving, were originally going to be put on the 3 and 20, and the 8 as well I think, but when they did enter service they all ended up on 5 Robson/6 Davie. They then branched out onto the 9, and more recently (in the last couple of weeks before they went offline), they were making regular appearances on the 10 and 17. All that being said, I personally wouldn't be surprised to see the artics split between the 9 and a couple of other routes. The complication with the artics has to do with the fact that all the bus stops they will serve must be lengthened, otherwise the bus won't fit. Main Street has been undergoing a complete rehabilitation which includes lengthening of all bus stops to accomodate artics, but Commercial Drive could be a problem. As for Broadway, only certain parts of it will need to be redesigned, because all of Broadway west of Granville regularly sees artics using all local stops - on the N17 UBC Nightbus. When 2501 enters revenue service testing we'll have to see how well it handles the bus stops on whatever routes it serves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Well wasn't it more of a limitation of the current overhead power supply which is why the new trolleys could not serve Main Street (possibly also Fraser Street?). I think that is what forced them off regularly serving Main Street, not just someone's hand-waving yes or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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