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  1. Alrighty then. Confirmed, 46 XD's out of 2019 budget, 46 out of 2020 budget (New Flyer's announcement), all delivered (46+46=92). Due to ACT funding cut, funding for 54 buses between 2021 and 2022 budget was reallocated to the 19 Proterra's that were ACT funded, so, net difference of -35 future (diesel) purchases. It would be swell if they could arrange an electric bus purchase, but, that seems doubtful at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2021 order is already in New Flyer's queue given the late 2019 start to delivery of the 92 buses just received, and early 2018 for the prior order. ETS has had a number of orders late/ early in the year previously as well. That timing would be good too for a new order of buses to provide insurance against any possible issues of needing to provide a fleet to cover the SELRT under the new network redesign. Just retain some buses that would have been slated to be retired until the SELRT is up and running Nothing on the 10 Proterra's that would have been tied to Terwillegar expansion under ACT. Suspect those are dead. Originally, the electric bus purchase showed being "growth buses" rather than replacement. With the ACT cuts, at least a portion of them are replacement buses, and frankly, because of the cut to diesel buses to fund the 19 electric buses, that pretty much makes the entire Proterra fleet replacement buses now. That means the only growth buses end up being 12 artics ( with the other 23 being 13 replacement buses, 10 for Heritage Valley P&R... whenever that opens). How many buses for 2021? The plan (dated plan mind you) as of 2013 was 69 units. Minus 17 or so... 52 or so units... which is just enough to cover the 2003's. Of course, there's a few 2002's to kill off (and a few killed off 2003's) so give or take just enough to kill anything older than 2003 other than a few 2003's... depending upon SELRT needs and overall needs due to network redesign. ETS is selling 50 surplus driver shields to St. Albert transit for their fleet. I guess ETS had enough surplus, and ETS has got a better price from the volume purchases than St. Albert could get direct.
  2. Nope. Rumor is a lot of retirements. Covid... Network Redesign that some just might not want to deal with... TransEd might well be looking to poach people from ETS too, assuming that they don't end up integrating their need for operators with ETS somehow. I had heard 125 originally, I was kind of shocked when the posting came out for 325.
  3. VIN plates on Edmonton's Proterra's show a model of CAT40DP. Doing some research on units tested at Altoona, I found this: December 2016 40' bus has a model of Catalyst E2. April 2014 40' bus is a model BE40 June 2017 35' is a Catalyst 35, although, the model on the page is given as Catalyst 35 FC. This bus was tested in June 2018. In January 2019 another 35' bus was tested as well. This bus was only 5 serial numbers difference from the June 2017 test bus, but, includes this note: "Proterra represents that the CAT35PD is a Proterra platform model designator moving forward. The CAT35PD denoted the platform family, length and drivetrain. In this example CAT(Catalyst) 35(35ft length) PD(ProDrive). Also, as such, the CAT35PD is the same platform as the “Catalyst 35ft E2”, “Catalyst 35-foot E2”, “35-Foot Proterra E2 Catalyst” and “35-foot E2 Catalyst. For further clarification, “E2” designates 440kWh of on board energy." Also in the report: "The FTA noted in their determination letter, dated October 1, 2018, that “To achieve a Catalyst 35ft E2 configuration from a Catalyst 35ft FC platform, two underfloor Fast Charge packs will be removed (pack #1 & 2) resulting in four mounted Fast Charge packs in the same location as the two [physically larger] E2 packs.” Accordingly, an additional 2,300 lb. of ballast was mounted on the rooftop and an additional 1,212 lb. of ballast was mounted at the floor level inside the vehicle to the existing hard points on the test bus" So sometime between June 2018 and January 2019 Proterra moved to the CAT##XX model numbering. Personally, I think it is worthwhile including the battery capacity designation, such as "E2 Max" even if it is not apart of the model on the VIN plate, as that generally indicates the charging method and the battery capacity has quite a few options available and is a pretty significant feature. Proterra used to use that information themselves in the models it seems. For Barp, we've decided to call Edmonton's buses CAT40DP E2 Max.
  4. Can you get her to sit down and read an article maybe? https://www.startribune.com/kitchen-fires-burned-by-bad-habits/100696189/
  5. Real sources are better than anonymous sources. Any future electric bus purchases will most likely need funding from other levels of government. Given that the October 2019 Provincial budget removed provincial funding for a portion of the Proterra order and Edmonton had to redirect future bus purchase funds to cover the shortfall, that's not a high hope there. Federal, hopefully. City funded entirely? I suspect that will be tougher due to Covid. And even without Covid affecting budgets, more or less doubling the cost of a bus when a 40' diesel could do the same job might not fly well with taxpayers. Sure, they could buy less buses, but get them as electrics, for the same money, but then your fleet isn't being replaced. I believe Proterra offers an option to lease the batteries, which causes the base cost to be similar to a diesel bus. The theory is that the fuel savings from the electric bus pays for the battery lease. Definitely a compelling option. I'm pretty certain we will see additional orders of diesel buses. Indeed, the 46 could actually be that next order.
  6. There's a reasonable chance that New Flyer's press release is just referencing the 2020 component of the current order being delivered which includes 2019 and 2020 funding. Perhaps even as a response to the large amount of Proterra/ ETS press in the last few weeks.
  7. 853 and 854 are retired at and Michener Allen for their next industrial auction.
  8. First time I spotted one. Not a great shot, but better than nothing.
  9. 8004 and 8007 are now the first in the blue to hit the road, 8007 during the AM peak, 8004 during the pm peak. Total of 6 electric runs today, 2 AM peak, 1 midday, 3 PM peak. A total of 6 buses have seen service, 8008 has only done one block so far. Only 7 buses are in the blue and silver of the first 21 delivered. 8004 and 8007 in blue. 8007 at 101 St and Jasper, the heart of the former trolleybus system. All routes passed through this intersection. Speaking of electric traction... a number of battery electric vehicles in this shot. Artsy fartsy low angle on 8017 at Government Centre.
  10. I'll be damned if I can remember how to log in! Anyways, a few errors on this page: https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Edmonton_Transit_System_Historic_Vehicles Leyland #5 is a 1939 unit, not 1932. #2001 was never a part of the historic collection, it was always a piece of working equipment while with Transit. The comments about the locomotive only being in the ERRS? possession on paper make no sense either. The locomotive was stored at their carbarn in Fort Edmonton and it was most certainly in their possession. I guess with that in mind... this page needs to be fixed: https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Edmonton_Radial_Railway_Society The claim is there as well that 2001 was never on ERRS property.
  11. You sir are so very right. Every production list I've seen has VIN ranges grouped together. So much cleaner and easier to look at and digest. Can you image sifting through 6200+lines of data on this list if everything was by individual bus? http://omot.org/roster/GMList/tdh5303.html And I get that the at the time serial numbers were a lot simpler back then, but, full VIN data is still available on a bus by bus basis on the specific transit agencies page for that particular series.
  12. 2 Proterra's out in the am peak... 8008 and 8017. 8002 came out midday on the same block as yesterday. 8003 and 8017 came in the pm peak. Caught 8002, 8003, and 8017 today. Pics at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/barpca/ Model on the VIN plate is CAT40DP.
  13. @smallspy and @ghYHZ thank you both very much! It was a great help! I've found the car sides I need in N scale, so, perhaps one day in the next decade or two I will maybe actually get one or two of them modeled.
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