leylandvictory2 Posted June 6, 2015 Report Posted June 6, 2015 I am pretty sure there are security features if you show your display through the display.
drum118 Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 Only saw 5 people get on the UPX before I went to Union at Bloor Station and none after that. No one got off any trains during the time I was there. First time seeing the C car on the east end, not the west for the past month. My trip from Union to Hwy 27 broken down between stations and points A-C-A arriving at Pearson Using the Elevating line. My trip up the elevated section
wil9402 Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 Just an FYI, if anyone wants to check out the UP trains but not ride one the UP employees are allowing people to check them out while they wait for departure. I was at Pearson this morning and got to check one out while waiting for the Link train to come. Also somewhat related, the GTAA have updated the Link trains announcement for Terminal 1 to mention the UP Express in addition to the maps on the trains having "Train to City" under Terminal 1.
Downsview 108 Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 Just an FYI, if anyone wants to check out the UP trains but not ride one the UP employees are allowing people to check them out while they wait for departure. I was at Pearson this morning and got to check one out while waiting for the Link train to come. Also somewhat related, the GTAA have updated the Link trains announcement for Terminal 1 to mention the UP Express in addition to the maps on the trains having "Train to City" under Terminal 1. What about at union and the stops inbetween?
Gil Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 What about at union and the stops inbetween? Union possibly. But I doubt that there's enough time at Bloor or Weston to get a decent look on board when the train's in the station.
wil9402 Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 Union possibly. But I doubt that there's enough time at Bloor or Weston to get a decent look on board when the train's in the station. What about at union and the stops inbetween? Probably at Union, but definitely not at Bloor or Weston. When I was at Pearson there was two trains there, one was about to depart and the other just pulled in and had 15 minutes left before departure, which was the one they let me take a peak in. Nice way to kill 8 minutes while waiting for the Link train.
Downsview 108 Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 Ok thanks. External shots and run-bys are good enough for the moment.
Xtrazsteve Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 They seem to be checking fares after the train departs from one of the terminals. So you can actually walk through the door as they didn't stop anyone from doing so yesterday. I got to say it's pretty neat. Reached 130km/h at some point. It was able to sustain 110km/h in most places except the high flying spur, the station and of course near the Union Station. I'm sure adding a station at Eglinton will add 3 minutes to it and adding one at Woodbine too will push the trip to 30 min.
smallspy Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 Reached 130km/h at some point. It was able to sustain 110km/h in most places except the high flying spur, the station and of course near the Union Station. I'm sure adding a station at Eglinton will add 3 minutes to it and adding one at Woodbine too will push the trip to 30 min. The units are limited to a maximum of 80mph, and they spend a very healthy portion of the trip at that speed. How do you figure that a station stop will add 3 minutes, exactly? They budget about 95 seconds for each one in the timetable right now. Dan
1overcosc Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 Hasn't ML indicated that the future Eglinton stop will replace the Weston stop? If it stops at both places the stop spacing would be excessive.
TomW Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 The units are limited to a maximum of 80mph, and they spend a very healthy portion of the trip at that speed. How do you figure that a station stop will add 3 minutes, exactly? They budget about 95 seconds for each one in the timetable right now. Dan 95 seconds for dwell time (time spent stationary) vs 3 minutes additional run time (time lost from slowing down/speeding up instead of running at linespeed)
1overcosc Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 95 seconds seems a little long for dwell time? Are we sure that 95 seconds isn't the total time penalty? Assuming a 5-10 second dwell time, 95 seconds sound about right for a DMU.
nfitz Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 They wouldn't add Mount Dennis until 2020-something when the Eglinton line opens. I expect by then, the pathetic Weston ridership numbers, and the more frequent GO service on that line, will convince those in Weston that they don't actually need that UPE stop, and there'd still only be 2 stops. I can't imagine that there'd be a stop at Woodbine anytime soon, without a massive redevelopment of that property. Maybe in 50 years or so ... Either way, all the rules will have change by then - includng acceleration and run times with electrification.
smallspy Posted June 9, 2015 Report Posted June 9, 2015 95 seconds for dwell time (time spent stationary) vs 3 minutes additional run time (time lost from slowing down/speeding up instead of running at linespeed) No, that 95 second figure is what they budget from the time they start decelerating for the stop to the time they stop accelerating after the stop. The dwell time is only about 20 seconds. GO budgets about 195 seconds for each additional stop that they add. The UPX units are capable of much higher performance. For instance, on straight and level track, they only need about 175 seconds to reach 100mph. Dan
1overcosc Posted June 10, 2015 Report Posted June 10, 2015 No, that 95 second figure is what they budget from the time they start decelerating for the stop to the time they stop accelerating after the stop. The dwell time is only about 20 seconds. GO budgets about 195 seconds for each additional stop that they add. The UPX units are capable of much higher performance. For instance, on straight and level track, they only need about 175 seconds to reach 100mph. Dan Wow.. that's a whole 100 seconds per stop... is that accounted for mainly in the locomotive vs. multiple-unit difference? If so, I'm starting to understand why the switch to EMUs would make GO so much faster...
dowlingm Posted June 10, 2015 Report Posted June 10, 2015 Wow.. that's a whole 100 seconds per stop... is that accounted for mainly in the locomotive vs. multiple-unit difference? If so, I'm starting to understand why the switch to EMUs would make GO so much faster... With DMU you have more driven axles but you still have a lag in available power from idle whereas electric motors with full input power available don't. A DEMU with ultracapacitors to provide move-off impetus might be worth studying.
smallspy Posted June 10, 2015 Report Posted June 10, 2015 Wow.. that's a whole 100 seconds per stop... is that accounted for mainly in the locomotive vs. multiple-unit difference? If so, I'm starting to understand why the switch to EMUs would make GO so much faster... A couple of factors, but the two largest are that you have more driven axles as a percentage of your total axle count (1/2 on the UPX units) and also a higher horsepower-to-weight ratio. And, as I've said before, any switch from locos to self-propelled units, regardless of what is used to power them, will result in pretty substantial time savings. Electric power will only have a benefit at higher speeds, however. With DMU you have more driven axles but you still have a lag in available power from idle whereas electric motors with full input power available don't. A DEMU with ultracapacitors to provide move-off impetus might be worth studying. Lag is more of a function of the control system and emissions equipment installed than the type of final drive in any vehicle. For instance, one of the longest-running complaints was that GE's locomotives took far longer to load - get electric power to the traction motors - than the equivalent EMD locos. This is despite the fact that Notch 1 in a North American locomotive should be nearly instantaneous, as it doesn't require an increase in RPM in the prime mover to provide power for motion. Dan
mpd618 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Posted June 11, 2015 The UPX units are capable of much higher performance. For instance, on straight and level track, they only need about 175 seconds to reach 100mph. And for comparison with what's possible with EMU's, the Stadler FLIRT can do 0-60mph in 30 seconds and 0-100mph in 90 seconds.
gecalsthom Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 With 2 weeks of operation so far, any one know how the ridership/loads are doing?
vivablue5215 Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 With 2 weeks of operation so far, any one know how the ridership/loads are doing? I rode the UP Express yesterday from Pearson at around 12:30pm, and my car was about 3/4 full. There was also one person waiting at both Weston and Bloor Stations for a Pearson bound train.
Token Dispenser Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 With 2 weeks of operation so far, any one know how the ridership/loads are doing? The numbers i see are very consistent, and there has been a gradual rise in ridership since day 1. I've been doing the afternoons for the past 2 weeks, and generally it's about after 2pm it starts to really pickup with EU flights taking off in the late afternoon/evening. Also depends on the day of the week, some carriers do not operate every day and generally the days that most/all the carriers operate are the busiest ones. E.g Friday and Sundays, those are the busiest ones. As for mornings, i'll get back to you on that.
andyman Posted June 21, 2015 Report Posted June 21, 2015 I rode the UP Express yesterday from Pearson at around 12:30pm, and my car was about 3/4 full. There was also one person waiting at both Weston and Bloor Stations for a Pearson bound train. I don't see any decrease in loads on the 192.
vivablue5215 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Posted June 21, 2015 I don't see any decrease in loads on the 192. Neither did I. It could mean the ridership's coming from those who would otherwise take a taxi to downtown.
Token Dispenser Posted June 21, 2015 Report Posted June 21, 2015 Neither did I. It could mean the ridership's coming from those who would otherwise take a taxi to downtown. Nailed it, so far most of the guests i see belong to the business traveler category when going from Union to Pearson, however going from Pearson to Union there are more leisure travelers but only a handful per train. It was mainly aimed at business travelers from the get go.
TomW Posted June 22, 2015 Report Posted June 22, 2015 A couple of factors, but the two largest are that you have more driven axles as a percentage of your total axle count (1/2 on the UPX units) and also a higher horsepower-to-weight ratio. And, as I've said before, any switch from locos to self-propelled units, regardless of what is used to power them, will result in pretty substantial time savings. Electric power will only have a benefit at higher speeds, however. Lag is more of a function of the control system and emissions equipment installed than the type of final drive in any vehicle. For instance, one of the longest-running complaints was that GE's locomotives took far longer to load - get electric power to the traction motors - than the equivalent EMD locos. This is despite the fact that Notch 1 in a North American locomotive should be nearly instantaneous, as it doesn't require an increase in RPM in the prime mover to provide power for motion. Dan Something about the traction motors means they much larger inductance, perhaps? Also: did it make any difference when EMD got bought my Caterpillar, and started having different prime movers?
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