Transit Service Discussion (Articulated/Conventional/Shuttle/Skytrain/Seabus)

[Xcelsior Bus Fan]

Route 49 currently has too many artics. I have seen as many as 22 artics on the route at once which is too many even according to drivers. Only half as many is needed with the other half being done on conventional according to numerous drivers I have talked to. I've taken the 49 since it was transferred back to VTC and have noticed too many running in the same direction at once. Have spotted up 2 four arrive back to back in less then 2 minutes apart. There are often times when there are 2 packed buses and the rest of them are completely empty. When RTC ran the route it ran perfectly hardly had any problems.

[Ninja Bus Fan]

25 minutes ago, Xcelsior Bus Fan said:

Route 49 currently has too many artics. I have seen as many as 22 artics on the route at once which is too many even according to drivers. Only half as many is needed with the other half being done on conventional according to numerous drivers I have talked to. I've taken the 49 since it was transferred back to VTC and have noticed too many running in the same direction at once. Have spotted up 2 four arrive back to back in less then 2 minutes apart. There are often times when there are 2 packed buses and the rest of them are completely empty. When RTC ran the route it ran perfectly hardly had any problems.

You really want those XDE60's back at RTC; but the sad reality is that their not going back so you have to suck it up and deal with it. 

 

Also regarding the Fraser Hwy B-Line, would they be using artics or conventional buses. A thought came to my mind not too long ago, since if they were to use artics would some of the new order be sent to STC or would we send the current XDE60's back to BTC and get the DE60LFR's or something in mass in return ? 

[Jeffrey Ngai]

30 minutes ago, Xcelsior Bus Fan said:

Route 49 currently has too many artics. I have seen as many as 22 artics on the route at once which is too many even according to drivers. Only half as many is needed with the other half being done on conventional according to numerous drivers I have talked to. I've taken the 49 since it was transferred back to VTC and have noticed too many running in the same direction at once. Have spotted up 2 four arrive back to back in less then 2 minutes apart. There are often times when there are 2 packed buses and the rest of them are completely empty. When RTC ran the route it ran perfectly hardly had any problems.

If the 49 was not an FTN route or a heavily utilized route, you can say that there's too many artics. However, that is not the case. First, we have to look at how the 49 blocks/runs work. Many of not most runs last the entire day or up until the evening (when the 49 To Granville is the last trip), so economically and logistically, it's ideal to keep the artics running the entire day in lieu of peak hour crowds and students from UBC and/or Langara.

In terms of "too many running in the same direction," we also have to consider the road conditions: traffic, construction, etc. contribute to buses being late, resulting in multiple double-headers. When one 49 arrives at say Metrotown, it could be and most likely very late, but since it arrived so late and the other buses arrive late as well, the first few ones would fill up more than say the last bus that arrives. Say in this scenario, 4 arrive. The first is -10, second -7, third -4, and fourth +0. All four are late for the next departure so it makes sense if you see clusters heading the same direction.

[Xcelsior Bus Fan]

4 minutes ago, Jeffrey Ngai said:

If the 49 was not an FTN route or a heavily utilized route, you can say that there's too many artics. However, that is not the case. First, we have to look at how the 49 blocks/runs work. Many of not most runs last the entire day or up until the evening (when the 49 To Granville is the last trip), so economically and logistically, it's ideal to keep the artics running the entire day in lieu of peak hour crowds and students from UBC and/or Langara.

In terms of "too many running in the same direction," we also have to consider the road conditions: traffic, construction, etc. contribute to buses being late, resulting in multiple double-headers. When one 49 arrives at say Metrotown, it could be and most likely very late, but since it arrived so late and the other buses arrive late as well, the first few ones would fill up more than say the last bus that arrives. Say in this scenario, 4 arrive. The first is -10, second -7, third -4, and fourth +0. All four are late for the next departure so it makes sense if you see clusters heading the same direction.

When RTC ran this route I noticed that this rearly happened and the service was really well run. These problems only occured after the route was transferred to VTC

[Marlow1331]

9 minutes ago, Xcelsior Bus Fan said:

When RTC ran this route I noticed that this rearly happened and the service was really well run. These problems only occured after the route was transferred to VTC

For crying out loud!!!! Everything you just stated I saw happen during RTC's reign. My mother always told me not to talk about thing I know nothing about! You should do the same! Christ!

[Millennium2002]

As a resident near 49th Avenue, I actually wish the City of Vancouver would widen both the 41st and 49th Avenue corridors with either

• One extra lane on 49th Avenue each way
• Parking restrictions on 49th Avenue during mornings and evenings (effectively an extra lane during rush hour)
• turn lanes at key intersections that don't already have this
• Dedicated parking lane on 41st Avenue between Granville and Oak and also Victoria and Kingsway

Doing this will improve the reliability of the 41 / 43 /49 and should reduce the bunching that occurs, resting in more timely service and a possible reduction in buses required to maintain the frequency specified.

The chance of this happening is unfortunately small... I expect too many residents will complain, and we'll end up with landscaped bike lanes instead - which is completely useless for a large segment of the travelling public.

[northwesterner]

Two weeks sure went by fast...

[brzyski]

2 hours ago, Xcelsior Bus Fan said:

Route 49 currently has too many artics. I have seen as many as 22 artics on the route at once which is too many even according to drivers. Only half as many is needed with the other half being done on conventional according to numerous drivers I have talked to. I've taken the 49 since it was transferred back to VTC and have noticed too many running in the same direction at once. Have spotted up 2 four arrive back to back in less then 2 minutes apart. There are often times when there are 2 packed buses and the rest of them are completely empty. When RTC ran the route it ran perfectly hardly had any problems.

XBF currently has too many posts. I have seen as many as 289 posts in this board at once which is too many even according to the most patient and polite members. Only zero as many is needed with the rest being done talking to himself according to numerous members I have talked to. I've been on this board since XBF started to post and have noticed too many stupid comments in the same way at once. Have spotted up to hundreds of nonsense posts came one after another in less than 4 months. There are often times when there are some packed whining and the rest of them are completely irrational. When XBF was not in this forum it ran perfectly hardly had any problems.

[Blue Bus Fan]

For the service improvements, I feel like some of the ideas need to be more thought out:

1. I feel like the eleven new Canada line trains need to have a better interior layout.

2. Not mention on here but it's mentioned in the report light rail in Surrey which should be changed to SkyTrain.

3. Improve Frequency on the 620. I feel like TransLink should take ferry schedule on route 1,and  the route 9 for ever sailing connects to a bus, even on days while their shouldn't be certain sailing on that day. For example the 4 pm sailing from Swartz Bay while usually on Friday, Sunday during fall, winter and spring, excluding Christmas holidays, Summer break (daily in these periods) happening on another days.

Also for some improves they need to be improved apron: 

1. 84, 255 and 555 need to see service increase on all days thru out they day.

Service improves that personally would I like to see included:

1. Extending the 96 B-line to White Rock. 

2. Increase frequency and service span on the C62 on Sunday, and Holidays.

3 hours ago, Ninja Bus Fan said:

Also regarding the Fraser Hwy B-Line, would they be using artics or conventional buses. A thought came to my mind not too long ago, since if they were to use artics would some of the new order be sent to STC or would we send the current XDE60's back to BTC and get the DE60LFR's or something in mass in return ? 

I feel like ever B-line will be serviced by 60 ft buses. I feel like we will see another huge order for 60 ft buses, new XDE60 for Surrey, Burnaby and maybe Richmond, and XD60 for Port Coquatlam and maybe Burnaby or West Vancouver Blue Bus for the North Shore B-Line. 

[TranslinkKid]

I always wondered why they didn't make the 430 run local on 49th between Kerr & Tyne. That way, the 49 can continue to run on 54th.

[GORDOOM]

5 hours ago, TranslinkKid said:

I always wondered why they didn't make the 430 run local on 49th between Kerr & Tyne. That way, the 49 can continue to run on 54th.

The reason for getting rid of the #49 diversion to serve Champlain Mall wasn't to improve coverage, but rather to make the route shorter and more reliable.

[Brando737]

8 hours ago, Blue Bus Fan said:

For the service improvements, I feel like some of the ideas need to be more thought out:

1. I feel like the eleven new Canada line trains need to have a better interior layout.

2. Not mention on here but it's mentioned in the report light rail in Surrey which should be changed to SkyTrain.

3. Improve Frequency on the 620. I feel like TransLink should take ferry schedule on route 1,and  the route 9 for ever sailing connects to a bus, even on days while their shouldn't be certain sailing on that day. For example the 4 pm sailing from Swartz Bay while usually on Friday, Sunday during fall, winter and spring, excluding Christmas holidays, Summer break (daily in these periods) happening on another days.

Also for some improves they need to be improved apron: 

1. 84, 255 and 555 need to see service increase on all days thru out they day.

Service improves that personally would I like to see included:

1. Extending the 96 B-line to White Rock. 

2. Increase frequency and service span on the C62 on Sunday, and Holidays.

I feel like ever B-line will be serviced by 60 ft buses. I feel like we will see another huge order for 60 ft buses, new XDE60 for Surrey, Burnaby and maybe Richmond, and XD60 for Port Coquatlam and maybe Burnaby or West Vancouver Blue Bus for the North Shore B-Line. 

Agreed.  

The 620 definitely needs an overhaul on its schedule.  Shouldn't be difficult to implement your idea providing the resources are there.  They should also have a bus going from 22nd Stn and/or Scott road Stn to the ferry to break up the loads and not force everyone to go through one location.

The new B-Line's will probably be a mix of 40 and 60 foot buses unless they are planning on replacing 40 footers with artic's like they did with the 12000's which is possible.  I believe there will be 25 XDE60's arriving by the end of this year and early next year, not sure where they will end up.  

As nice as it would be to have XD60's, I think TransLink is trying to have the cleanest and most efficient buses on the road when possible.  They seem to like the hybrid artic's and it looks like the trend for 40 footers is CNG with STC getting upgraded soon with possibly RTC shortly after.  BTC will probably stay diesel since they handle North Van and VTC has a relatively young diesel fleet that won't need replacing until about 10 years from now.

[kw2533]

12 hours ago, Xcelsior Bus Fan said:

When RTC ran this route I noticed that this rearly happened and the service was really well run. These problems only occured after the route was transferred to VTC

Nah, as someone who commuted E-W for 7 years, I don't think bunching or delays only occurred after the 49 went to VTC. The route was long and quite affected by traffic.  Bunching will not magically disappeared by swapping arctics for 40 footers.

Moreover, 50% of its service hours are overcrowded (vs. 5% on the 480). Nothing wrong with a bit surplus on the 49 during off-peak.

Even if they decide to move a few arctics away from the 49, there are plenty of routes in VTC that could use an arctic tripper (e.g. 25, 84, etc). 

[ConventionalMan]

14 hours ago, Brando737 said:

The 410 just needs to be torn up and rebuilt from scratch and probably separated a bit as well.

I had read somewhere (here? can't remember) that the idea was to split it at 3 Road-ish. The western end would go Steveston -->  Brighouse and the eastern end would do Aberdeen --> 22nd St and include the little chunk of the C98 through the industrial area and use Westminster all the time (which is nearly as quick anyway). Most of the C98 is redundant except for that bit and the one stop at the casino.

There are other buses, plus the Canada Line that service 3 Road and this would fix the black hole of time that plagues the 410.

On 9/8/2016 at 1:13 PM, Large Cat said:

So, I just noticed that the 100 has a bunch of new "100 to Knight" trips scheduled at different times throughout the day--presumably added service before returning to HTC. Especially awesome is that every day two of these trips (three on weekends!) depart later than the last regular 100, giving VTC operators a new option for getting home from late shifts! Weekday departures are at 1:13am and 1:50am, Saturday 12:51am, 1:21am and 1:43am, and Sunday 12:44am, 1:14am and 1:38am. Also, the new rush hour 100 to Knight trippers should be REALLY helpful for the crowds at Marine Station.

I just drove one of these last night. The only problem is that all 3 of the last trips on Sunday (and last 2 on weekdays?) end at Knight.

I had several people ride that far and then walk east from there at 1 am. Perhaps the last trip would be better going right to 22nd. even if the train isn't running by the time it gets there, at least you're still servicing that section. Plus, the extra time to go there and then NIS back to HTC wouldn't be much different than the 20 min NIS from Knight.

I go them that far, and it does say it on the sign and I did make announcements, but kicking people off the bus at 1 am in the rain isn't fun.

[Brando737]

8 minutes ago, ConventionalMan said:

I had read somewhere (here? can't remember) that the idea was to split it at 3 Road-ish. The western end would go Steveston -->  Brighouse and the eastern end would do Aberdeen --> 22nd St and include the little chunk of the C98 through the industrial area and use Westminster all the time (which is nearly as quick anyway). Most of the C98 is redundant except for that bit and the one stop at the casino.

There are other buses, plus the Canada Line that service 3 Road and this would fix the black hole of time that plagues the 410.

The idea of splitting it has been thrown around for years, but I have yet to see anything official on any of the transit reviews for the last few years.  The idea I've heard floating around is to split it at brighouse since there is enough ridership from Cambie onto No 3 Rd to brighouse and the other way around.  I like the idea of the terminus being Aberdeen, but where would we turn around and have a proper layover?  

Along with the idea of terminating at Aberdeen, I've had some thoughts about the 403.  Have the 403 only go between River Port and brighouse then create a new route that would go from Bridgeport to Steveston, a mix of the 403 and 410.  This new bus would meet up with the terminating 410 at Aberdeen.  The 403 seems to be useless between brighouse and Bridgeport as the majority of people on No 3 Rd North of brighouse end up taking the 410 anyways to continue to railway.  I feel this could be a better use of resources.  Thoughts?

[kw2533]

19 minutes ago, Brando737 said:

The idea of splitting it has been thrown around for years, but I have yet to see anything official on any of the transit reviews for the last few years.  The idea I've heard floating around is to split it at brighouse since there is enough ridership from Cambie onto No 3 Rd to brighouse and the other way around.  I like the idea of the terminus being Aberdeen, but where would we turn around and have a proper layover?  

Along with the idea of terminating at Aberdeen, I've had some thoughts about the 403.  Have the 403 only go between River Port and brighouse then create a new route that would go from Bridgeport to Steveston, a mix of the 403 and 410.  This new bus would meet up with the terminating 410 at Aberdeen.  The 403 seems to be useless between brighouse and Bridgeport as the majority of people on No 3 Rd North of brighouse end up taking the 410 anyways to continue to railway.  I feel this could be a better use of resources.  Thoughts?

I like the idea of the Bridgeport Station / Railway route, replacing the 403 north of Brighouse. Although the 403 isn't really well used north of Brighouse nowadays (most people would just walk to Canada Line if going to Bridgeport), and the Railway route is likely to remain as part of the FTN (if split), so I think having every second trip terminating of Bridghouse will be the most efficient.

On the other hand, I hope that they would eventually introduce an peak express between 22nd St Stn and Richmond. It's no fun to stop all the way along Cambie, not to mention the infamous No.3 Road which is never really traffic-"free". 

[ConventionalMan]

42 minutes ago, Brando737 said:

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I like the idea of the terminus being Aberdeen, but where would we turn around and have a proper layover?

Turn left at Hazelbridge then right on Browngate and layover along there? Then turn right and pickup at Aberdeen, right to Cambie and you're off to the races...  

 

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Along with the idea of terminating at Aberdeen, I've had some thoughts about the 403.  Have the 403 only go between River Port and brighouse then create a new route that would go from Bridgeport to Steveston, a mix of the 403 and 410.  This new bus would meet up with the terminating 410 at Aberdeen.  The 403 seems to be useless between brighouse and Bridgeport as the majority of people on No 3 Rd North of brighouse end up taking the 410 anyways to continue to railway.  I feel this could be a better use of resources.  Thoughts?

Sounds good but I am not as familiar with the other routes out there. I have picked up more people on the 410 and watched 403's go by so maybe there's a point there. Plus it seems to me totally redundant to have that many buses servicing the same stretch of road when you look at the boardings and see what you pointed out... most of those people are going west to Steveston. Having that 403 follow the Canada Line seems funny to me and if it weren't for the local stops along that part, it really could be handled by something else?

Edit - You COULD have the "410 to Steveston" meet the "410 to 22nd" at Aberdeen with that one actually coming from its alternate terminus at Bridgeport instead of Aberdeen. Then you could axe the 3 Road part of the 403 altogther and only one would have to deal with 3 Road south of Cambie and one with Cambie (both equally suck at times) The only thing is, I don't know if No 3 Road is as bad north of Cambie as it is going the other way.

 

[Brando737]

39 minutes ago, ConventionalMan said:

Turn left at Hazelbridge then right on Browngate and layover along there? Then turn right and pickup at Aberdeen, right to Cambie and you're off to the races...

I took a look at the map after posting.  That way would work, looks like there is a pullout on Browngate that could be allocated to layovers.  The way I'm thinking is right Hazelbridge, left Capstan Way, left No 3 Rd (drop off at No 3 Rd @ Capstan to meet up with new route) then left Cambie to layover at the pullouts at the Bank for layover and pickup.  Probably a better option for people coming off the Canada Line.

I've driven the 403 many times and it's quick and easy north of Cambie on No 3 Rd.  Rarely stop and traffic opens up.  And when I've arrived before the 410 has come by, no one wanted my bus.  The 403 starts to pick up more service south of Richmond center.

[Marlow1331]

I think a few more 410 Queensborough runs should be implemented, not many, just peak in betweens, and the 410 should be terminated at Brighouse or even loop back at Aberdeen, and have another route cover the loss of area.

[MCW Metrobus]

On 9/18/2016 at 8:41 PM, Xcelsior Bus Fan said:

Route 49 currently has too many artics. I have seen as many as 22 artics on the route at once which is too many even according to drivers. Only half as many is needed with the other half being done on conventional according to numerous drivers I have talked to. I've taken the 49 since it was transferred back to VTC and have noticed too many running in the same direction at once. Have spotted up 2 four arrive back to back in less then 2 minutes apart. There are often times when there are 2 packed buses and the rest of them are completely empty. When RTC ran the route it ran perfectly hardly had any problems.

When I told you to go and ride the 49, this is NOT what I meant...

12 hours ago, ConventionalMan said:

I go them that far, and it does say it on the sign and I did make announcements, but kicking people off the bus at 1 am in the rain isn't fun.

Unless you're a sadist.

Not saying that I am, buuuut....

Let's just say that every time I did a 351 White Rock Ctr in the summer, or now when I do a 41 to Crown, and there's still a few stragglers who don't realize that I'm not going all the way to Crescent Beach or to UBC, you'll probably see a bit of an evil smile on my face accompanied by:

*PSSSSSSH*

"LAST STOP, EVERYBODY OUT!"

*shuts off engine*

[Large Cat]

On 9/19/2016 at 10:40 AM, ConventionalMan said:

 

I just drove one of these last night. The only problem is that all 3 of the last trips on Sunday (and last 2 on weekdays?) end at Knight.

I had several people ride that far and then walk east from there at 1 am. Perhaps the last trip would be better going right to 22nd. even if the train isn't running by the time it gets there, at least you're still servicing that section. Plus, the extra time to go there and then NIS back to HTC wouldn't be much different than the 20 min NIS from Knight.

I go them that far, and it does say it on the sign and I did make announcements, but kicking people off the bus at 1 am in the rain isn't fun.

True, it's definitely confusing and unfortunate for those unlucky people. I saw the same thing riding the N20 on the weekend--people wanting to go to Elliot or Kerr and needing to walk. At least at Victoria though, you're far enough along that you can walk down to the boardwalk and have a nice moonlit stroll. So if you're living in the River District south of Marine, it's not so bad. Still pretty far for everyone living on Old Marine Dr though. Anyway, it might be worth looking up how far the next N20 is behind you next time doing the 100 to Knight...they're scheduled pretty close together in some cases, so you could just tell people to wait for the N20 instead of walking all the way

[Brando737]

I have created a map showing some possible options to change up the unreliable 410.  These ideas include some new routes and modification or cancellation of current routes.  I would like some thought on these ideas and what could possibly change.  Some of these ideas may have already been posted, but this is all in one place.

410 22nd Street Stn/Aberdeen Stn FTN

The 410's western terminus will now be Aberdeen Stn to avoid No 3 Rd and shorten the route.  Based on this plan, the 410 will use the Fraserwood routing all day with peak hour/peak direction service through Kingswood.  Kingswood routing would be westbound in the AM and eastbound in the PM.  Unless Kingswood needs service in both directions in both peaks, I'm not sure.  This would cancel the C98.  Routing to terminate at Aberdeen Stn will be from WB Cambie, right Hazelbridge Way, left Capstan Way, left No 3 Rd, drop off at No 3 Rd @ Capstan Way to allow passengers to connect with the new 409 to continue down No 3 Rd and Railway & Steveston.  Then left Cambie FS No 3 Rd to terminate/layover.  Possibility of still routing along Hwy 91 on late night trips and weekends or every 3rd trip will go via Fraserwood on weekends if the demand is there.

409 Bridgeport Stn/Steveston Via Railway FTN

This will cancel the 403 between Brighouse and Bridgeport.  403 will terminate at Brighouse.  The 403 gets little use on No 3 Rd north of Brighouse as people tend to need the 410.  Routing will be from Bridgeport Stn and down No 3 Rd, connecting with the 410 at the No 3 Rd @ Capstan stop, to Granville where it will use the current 410 routing.  The destination sign will be 409 Steveston Via Railway on the SB trips to better describe where it will end up.  Could be useful for tourists wanting to go to Steveston as well with Bridgeport being a Canada Line station.

440 22nd Street Stn/Brighouse Stn Express 

New route to help with passengers wanting an express option from 22nd Street Stn to Richmond.  Could start as peak hour service only or all day if there was demand.  Would use the current C98 routing and stops down Boyd St as the C98 would be cancelled.  Stops will be Westminster Hwy @ Boundary Rd, Hwy 91 east and west, Nelson Rd, No 6 Rd, N 5 Rd, Shell Rd, No 4 Rd, Garden City Rd and finally Brighouse Stn.  If the demand is there, an alternate routing could be Westminster Hwy, right No 5 Rd, left Cambie Rd, left Garden City Rd, right Westminster to Brighouse.  Stop's would be the same on Cambie as they would be along Westminster Hwy with the addition of stop on Garden City @ Alderbridge Way for the shopping center currently being built.

C98 22nd Street Stn/Kingswood

Route cancelled and service replaced by 410 peak routing and 440 service on Boyd St.

The link to the map with routing: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1c7Q2trzizSD3AOz5UrlB-qFm_5o&usp=sharing

[Blue Bus Fan]

9 minutes ago, Brando737 said:

I have created a map showing some possible options to change up the unreliable 410.  These ideas include some new routes and modification or cancellation of current routes.  I would like some thought on these ideas and what could possibly change.  Some of these ideas may have already been posted, but this is all in one place.

410 22nd Street Stn/Aberdeen Stn FTN

The 410's western terminus will now be Aberdeen Stn to avoid No 3 Rd and shorten the route.  Based on this plan, the 410 will use the Fraserwood routing all day with peak hour/peak direction service through Kingswood.  Kingswood routing would be westbound in the AM and eastbound in the PM.  Unless Kingswood needs service in both directions in both peaks, I'm not sure.  This would cancel the C98.  Routing to terminate at Aberdeen Stn will be from WB Cambie, right Hazelbridge Way, left Capstan Way, left No 3 Rd, drop off at No 3 Rd @ Capstan Way to allow passengers to connect with the new 409 to continue down No 3 Rd and Railway & Steveston.  Then left Cambie FS No 3 Rd to terminate/layover.  Possibility of still routing along Hwy 91 on late night trips and weekends or every 3rd trip will go via Fraserwood on weekends if the demand is there.

440 22nd Street Stn/Brighouse Stn Express 

New route to help with passengers wanting an express option from 22nd Street Stn to Richmond.  Could start as peak hour service only or all day if there was demand.  Would use the current C98 routing and stops down Boyd St as the C98 would be cancelled.  Stops will be Westminster Hwy @ Boundary Rd, Hwy 91 east and west, Nelson Rd, No 6 Rd, N 5 Rd, Shell Rd, No 4 Rd, Garden City Rd and finally Brighouse Stn.  If the demand is there, an alternate routing could be Westminster Hwy, right No 5 Rd, left Cambie Rd, left Garden City Rd, right Westminster to Brighouse.  Stop's would be the same on Cambie as they would be along Westminster Hwy with the addition of stop on Garden City @ Alderbridge Way for the shopping center currently being built.

The link to the map with routing: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1c7Q2trzizSD3AOz5UrlB-qFm_5o&usp=sharing

I like these ideas but your plan could use a little tweaking. I would extend the 410 to Richmond-Bridghouse due it being the major transfer point for local routes in Richmond. I would change 440 and the 410 would take over the C98 routing. 

 

440 will become an express all day seven days a week with 20 minutes thru out the day.

[Express691]

1 hour ago, Blue Bus Fan said:

I like these ideas but your plan could use a little tweaking. I would extend the 410 to Richmond-Bridghouse due it being the major transfer point for local routes in Richmond. I would change 440 and the 410 would take over the C98 routing. 

 

440 will become an express all day seven days a week with 20 minutes thru out the day.

The 409 will take care of the 410 south of Aberdeen as his intention of short turning at Aberdeen is to avoid 410 from going on no.3 road entirely.

[Blue Bus Fan]

9 minutes ago, Express691 said:

The 409 will take care of the 410 south of Aberdeen as his intention of short turning at Aberdeen is to avoid 410 from going on no.3 road entirely.

I feel like this will see a drop ridership on 410 by a lot becuase it doesn't connect to a major transit hub just a Canada line with routes 403, or 409. 

 

Edited September 20, 2016 by Blue Bus Fan