aemoreira81 Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 sounds like another trip to nyc for me later next year These buses won't be in until 2012 (except for two demos in spring 2012). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wchu94 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 These buses won't be in until 2012 (except for two demos in spring 2012). No, the 2 demos are due in April 2011 on the document and expected arrives around December 2011 to April 2012 for the base order. (page 51, http://mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/100726_1045_BUS.pdf) Finally, some variety. I'm very surprised that Orion didn't win this one. Orion didnt low bid. New Flyer did. MTA always chooses low bidders even with shoddy work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoartic7101 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 No, the 2 demos are due in April 2011 on the document and expected arrives around December 2011 to April 2012 for the base order.(page 51, http://mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/100726_1045_BUS.pdf) Orion didnt low bid. New Flyer did. MTA always chooses low bidders even with shoddy work. I bet you that they will have frameless windows. I think frameless windows on the LFR buses look great and would look great in the MTA scheme. Plus most of their buses have frameless windows anyway so I think they will be consistent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. McConnell Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 I bet you that they will have frameless windows. I'd expect them to have normal windows given that the MTA tends usually to go with the cheapest options possible. For this same reason, I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be non-restyled C40LFs rather than C40LFRs! Plus most of their buses have frameless windows anyway so I think they will be consistent The only MTA buses with bonded windows are the Orion VII NGs (952 buses) and the DesignLines (5 buses), which is approximately one-sixth (16%) of the total MTA bus fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general682002 Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 I'd expect them to have normal windows given that the MTA tends usually to go with the cheapest options possible. For this same reason, I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be non-restyled C40LFs rather than C40LFRs! If MTA and NFI gives a talk to talk deal that they will continue to build the old ends for special request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 These buses won't be in until 2012 (except for two demos in spring 2012). Thats ok its always a good time to go to nyc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
septa105R5/seClip9 Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 If MTA and NFI gives a talk to talk deal that they will continue to build the old ends for special request. It's most likely not going to happen since it was already discontinue to restart production of it and almost all transits wanted Restyled ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 It's most likely not going to happen since it was already discontinue to restart production of it and almost all transits wanted Restyled ends. Also note Newflyer has droped the LFR name and all models will just be LF with the LFR styling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
septa105R5/seClip9 Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Oh, so they go back to used LF since everyone knows that standard buses are equipped with the restyled ends. But for us (busfan), we still refer it to LFR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Thanks for the answers to all my questions everybody My trip is gonna be awesome. I have one more question, that's been bugging me for a while. In Toronto, across from each subway car's cab is a second set of conductor controls for Island platforms. But looking at Youtube videos, I've noticed the R32s do not have such features - rather they have the conductor in the "B" cab. My question is: Let's say an R32 train is at a side platform station, but the cab is facing the other side. How is the conductor able to monitor activity on the platform and know when to close the doors when there are no conductor controls across from the cab? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. McConnell Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Thanks for the answers to all my questions everybody My trip is gonna be awesome.I have one more question, that's been bugging me for a while. In Toronto, across from each subway car's cab is a second set of conductor controls for Island platforms. But looking at Youtube videos, I've noticed the R32s do not have such features - rather they have the conductor in the "B" cab. My question is: Let's say an R32 train is at a side platform station, but the cab is facing the other side. How is the conductor able to monitor activity on the platform and know when to close the doors when there are no conductor controls across from the cab? Thanks! The conductor simply uses the cab in the adjacent car to operate the doors in a situation such as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Ah, ok, that makes sense. Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Oh, so they go back to used LF since everyone knows that standard buses are equipped with the restyled ends. But for us (busfan), we still refer it to LFR. It may well be an LF though (old-style); it remains to be seen. If it is, then drivers at Gleason will not even need new training (except for perhaps the new driver's side mirror setup). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 MTA getting 90 Prevosts http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/sho...ead.php?t=24883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted November 13, 2010 Board Admin Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 Someone on that board mentions they customize them to fit the full width destination signs - I'm not so sure we would see that on the X3-45, it would probably be the same as the demo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 Someone on that board mentions they customize them to fit the full width destination signs - I'm not so sure we would see that on the X3-45, it would probably be the same as the demo. Depends on what the contract is with MTA. from the sounds of it , it looks like Volvo (Prevost/Nova) really want to get the next few years order from MTA since Orion and New Flyer are really stepping up trying to get MTA's business for the big orders for the next few years after the test orders go through next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
septa105R5/seClip9 Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 Looks like Prevost won that contract after MTA ordered many MCI D4500 over the past 10 years and now wanted to test other new bus models to join the fleet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 Looks like Prevost won that contract after MTA ordered many MCI D4500 over the past 10 years and now wanted to test other new bus models to join the fleet It looks like its part of the test order, 90 Prevosts, 90 LFS, 90 D40LR's and 90 VII EPA 2010's, along with the current order of 90 Designlines and 90 Nova Artics. Also with the 475 C40LFR's,and anothor order of Nova Artics that will be coming . who ever gets the next big order these test units will remain with MTA for 12-16 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andru Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 Not sure about the LFS Artic order though, if the MTA really wants to sample from everyone, they might order New Flyer artics instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wchu94 Posted December 24, 2010 Report Share Posted December 24, 2010 looks like DesignLine order is on hold, read more: http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=217934 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 The MTA is getting some Orion 7 Next Gens with framed windows. Curious: do any other operators have O7 NGs with framed windows? Two pictures are attached; the second one also is of the latest MTA livery, deleting the stripe from the front nose (that bus was not in an accident). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted January 5, 2011 Board Admin Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 That looks odd from the square cornered ones they originally came with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 That looks odd from the square cornered ones they originally came with. I have to wonder if this is a prelude to allowing sliding windows as an option on future orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin ORION Posted January 5, 2011 Root Admin Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 I have to wonder if this is a prelude to allowing sliding windows as an option on future orders. Engineering decided that these windows (can't remember the company name again... Ryan?!) are more reliable and prevent water leaking , unlike the original "squared" ones which were a different company. As of this point, this is an option for exterior frame or not. The same type of windows are being installed on Seattle's KCM order of Orion VIIs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
septa105R5/seClip9 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 The MTA is getting some Orion 7 Next Gens with framed windows. Curious: do any other operators have O7 NGs with framed windows? Two pictures are attached; the second one also is of the latest MTA livery, deleting the stripe from the front nose (that bus was not in an accident). From those pictures there, they look slightly different than the 2008-2009 models as they have framed windows instead of one piece frameless windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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