CTrain - S200 (series 9) cars

[smallspy]

I guess this raises the question, then....

 

Why not build the platforms to meet the height of the door threshold, so that you don't need to have a ramp at certain doors? (Or conversely, why not construct the cars so that the door threshold is the same height as the edge of the platform?)

 

Dan

[CTrainDude]

37 minutes ago, smallspy said:

I guess this raises the question, then....

 

Why not build the platforms to meet the height of the door threshold, so that you don't need to have a ramp at certain doors? (Or conversely, why not construct the cars so that the door threshold is the same height as the edge of the platform?)

 

Dan

You can try to do that, but both platforms and the vehicles aren't solid, immovable objects. Platforms sink and rise with ground conditions, and vehicle heights change based on suspensions that are changing based on passenger loads and wear, tyre thickness, and even rail wear.  It's difficult to match every single platform edge with every vehicle you have, hence the adjustable ramp - it can be done (they're trying with the Calgary 9s), but it means a lot more money spent on track/ballast work more often.

[LRT]

Transit has done a decent job matching up the platforms and the door. I was in Edmonton using their system recently and the step is quite significant significant compared to Calgary system.

[CTrainDude]

18 minutes ago, LRT said:

Transit has done a decent job matching up the platforms and the door. I was in Edmonton using their system recently and the step is quite significant significant compared to Calgary system.

As I'm sure you recall, they had to do a lot of ballast undercutting in the past few years at platforms to make sure those stations were at the right level....

[smallspy]

2 hours ago, CTrainDude said:

You can try to do that, but both platforms and the vehicles aren't solid, immovable objects. Platforms sink and rise with ground conditions, and vehicle heights change based on suspensions that are changing based on passenger loads and wear, tyre thickness, and even rail wear.  It's difficult to match every single platform edge with every vehicle you have, hence the adjustable ramp - it can be done (they're trying with the Calgary 9s), but it means a lot more money spent on track/ballast work more often.

Then why has it not been a problem to do that in Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver, to name but three locations just in Canada where they've managed to get everything more-or-less lined up?

 

Dan

[CTrainDude]

1 hour ago, smallspy said:

Then why has it not been a problem to do that in Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver, to name but three locations just in Canada where they've managed to get everything more-or-less lined up?

 

Dan

I'm not sure there's a lot of frost heaving or mud ties underground in Montreal or Toronto, or above ground in Vancouver.

[Gsgeek540]

1 hour ago, smallspy said:

Then why has it not been a problem to do that in Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver, to name but three locations just in Canada where they've managed to get everything more-or-less lined up?

 

Dan

 

15 minutes ago, CTrainDude said:

I'm not sure there's a lot of frost heaving or mud ties underground in Montreal or Toronto, or above ground in Vancouver.

Wouldn’t the simplier answer be the fact that those properties use direct fixation at many, if not most or all of their stations, as opposed to Calgary where we only have a handful and the core?

[LRT]

6 minutes ago, Gsgeek540 said:

 

Wouldn’t the simplier answer be the fact that those properties use direct fixation at many, if not most or all of their stations, as opposed to Calgary where we only have a handful and the core?

Thank you I was just going to mention that. 

Westleg uses direct fixation at most station locations.

[CTrainDude]

2 hours ago, LRT said:

Thank you I was just going to mention that. 

Westleg uses direct fixation at most station locations.

I wouldn't say 'most', but definitely half (69, Westbrook, Sunalta - the grade separated ones).  It's more likely you've got DF underground or above ground because you're building the concrete infrastructure anyway.  That's definitely a major factor.

[LRT]

I meant to say station locations..

[Blake M]

36 minutes ago, CTrainDude said:

I wouldn't say 'most', but definitely half (69, Westbrook, Sunalta - the grade separated ones).  It's more likely you've got DF underground or above ground because you're building the concrete infrastructure anyway.  That's definitely a major factor.

Actually the only ones that don't are Sirocco and Shaganappi Point

[smallspy]

18 hours ago, CTrainDude said:

I'm not sure there's a lot of frost heaving or mud ties underground in Montreal or Toronto, or above ground in Vancouver.

 

18 hours ago, Gsgeek540 said:

 

Wouldn’t the simplier answer be the fact that those properties use direct fixation at many, if not most or all of their stations, as opposed to Calgary where we only have a handful and the core?

Not in Montreal or Vancouver, but there are a number of stations that use ties-in-ballast at outdoor stations rather than direct fixation in Toronto - both on the subway and the UPX. And again, by-and-large there have been no ongoing and long-term issues with lining up the floor level of the equipment with the platforms.

 

As for "not as much heaving".....the weather in Toronto may be more moderate than that in Calgary because of the lake, but that doesn't mean that frost and freezing cycles don't happen here. It happens plenty.

 

Dan

 

[Greatcoinz]

2452 Active on the Blue Line. 

[Nick B]

Delete.

[Pantograf]

Car 2455 was delivered today.

[LRT]

Here is 2446. Doesn't even look like it's anywhere near ready for revenue service.

Probably being used as a parts car...

[Pantograf]

That's right, car 2446 is being used as parts car since its arrival and it will most likely be the last one to enter service.

[LRT]

2462 just rolled into town. UNTARPED! That was a strange sight to see..

[A. Wong]

On Feb 1 I was in town, and got a few shots of the S200s.

2459 was running as a single car when I saw it at Brentwood that afternoon:

[Pantograf]

5 hours ago, A. Wong said:

2459 was running as a single car when I saw it at Brentwood that afternoon:

It was most likely used for training purposes as there are ongoing classes right now.  2459 is in a 3-car rush hour extra consist this morning. 

[GrandeWest_B35G]

Not sure if it's an SD160 or S200, but another car has arrived from Siemens

[LRT]

What ever it is we need equipment out there asap!

[Blake M]

27 minutes ago, Imgursdownvote4love said:

Not sure if it's an SD160 or S200, but another car has arrived from Siemens

It's an SD160 and unfortunately it's going not coming

[GrandeWest_B35G]

1 hour ago, Blake M said:

It's an SD160 and unfortunately it's going not coming

Weren't those going out usually wrapped in blue plastic?

[Pantograf]

3 hours ago, Imgursdownvote4love said:

Weren't those going out usually wrapped in blue plastic?

It gets wrapped in whatever is available at the moment. The car sitting on the flat car at Haysboro is a southbound SD160 2210.