dowlingm Posted June 22, 2015 Report Posted June 22, 2015 Has EMD had a Cat prime mover loco other than F125?
gecalsthom Posted June 22, 2015 Report Posted June 22, 2015 Nailed it, so far most of the guests i see belong to the business traveler category when going from Union to Pearson, however going from Pearson to Union there are more leisure travelers but only a handful per train. It was mainly aimed at business travelers from the get go. Neither did I. It could mean the ridership's coming from those who would otherwise take a taxi to downtown. I don't see any decrease in loads on the 192. The numbers i see are very consistent, and there has been a gradual rise in ridership since day 1. I've been doing the afternoons for the past 2 weeks, and generally it's about after 2pm it starts to really pickup with EU flights taking off in the late afternoon/evening. Also depends on the day of the week, some carriers do not operate every day and generally the days that most/all the carriers operate are the busiest ones. E.g Friday and Sundays, those are the busiest ones. As for mornings, i'll get back to you on that. I rode the UP Express yesterday from Pearson at around 12:30pm, and my car was about 3/4 full. There was also one person waiting at both Weston and Bloor Stations for a Pearson bound train. Thanks for the replies. It is great to hear the numbers gradually increasing from day 1. The UPX seems to be experiencing the same kind of clientele mix as in London where a lot of leisure travellers take the London Underground and business travellers take the Heathrow Express.
smallspy Posted June 22, 2015 Report Posted June 22, 2015 Something about the traction motors means they much larger inductance, perhaps? Also: did it make any difference when EMD got bought my Caterpillar, and started having different prime movers? Doubtful, as the size, weights and ratings of the respective traction motors are for all intents and purposes identical. There may be other impedance issues further upstream, but certainly nothing that I've been made aware of, or can see in the various wiring diagrams. EMD was still using the same prime mover until this year. But as the emissions regulations got more and more stringent, their units needed to take longer and longer to load up. Meanwhile, the latest GE prime mover design was so far ahead of the emissions curve (until this year) that their locos loaded up much faster - by all reports, considerably faster than the comparable EMD products. Dan
dayone Posted September 25, 2015 Report Posted September 25, 2015 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/pearson-airport-express-trains-90-per-cent-empty-metrolinx-reveals/article26500231/ The comments are worth reading too.
gecalsthom Posted October 8, 2015 Report Posted October 8, 2015 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/pearson-airport-express-trains-90-per-cent-empty-metrolinx-reveals/article26500231/ The comments are worth reading too. It is a pretty biased article against the service. I have noticed when taking the UPX myself that the ridership varies quite significantly depending on time of day. Lunch time on a Monday for example is pretty sparse. But around 5pm, the train was almost full.
nfitz Posted October 8, 2015 Report Posted October 8, 2015 That's an interesting observation. Of course, what people want is to make fares cheaper, so more can use it to commute. Which wouldn't make it much fuller mid-day - but clearly a problem at 5 pm if some trains almost full at current pricing.
Xtrazsteve Posted October 8, 2015 Report Posted October 8, 2015 That's an interesting observation. Of course, what people want is to make fares cheaper, so more can use it to commute. Which wouldn't make it much fuller mid-day - but clearly a problem at 5 pm if some trains almost full at current pricing. It really depends on when the flights are scheduled. Usually they are in the evenings on a business day hence why it's full at 5pm and not 10 am. The UPX has it's own rush hour too.
gecalsthom Posted October 29, 2015 Report Posted October 29, 2015 It really depends on when the flights are scheduled. Usually they are in the evenings on a business day hence why it's full at 5pm and not 10 am. The UPX has it's own rush hour too. Indeed it does have its own rush hour as shown by this pic taken at ~5pm by myself.
Shaun Posted October 29, 2015 Report Posted October 29, 2015 Think about it. In the middle of Rush hour if you took a taxi or a limo from the Airport to Union that would take you at least an hour in either direction. And would cost you $50/60. Even if it's door to door that's still an hour or more. For $20.00 you can get downtown in 25 min? I think that's reasonable. It would be better if it included TTC Fare, so that you could ride the subway to your hotel or home. That would make sense.
YYZ Rampdog Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Think about it. $27.50 and 25 minutes gets you to Union. In most cases you would still have to get a cab to you hotel. $10-$15 and another 20 minutes? Unless you staying at the convention center. Most business people with expense accounts would probably pay the small difference for door to door. Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk
nfitz Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 In rush-hour to get to/from the airport? Why would you pay more for longer trip? It's not like congestion on the roads is going to get better in 20 years time ...
Gil Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Think about it. $27.50 and 25 minutes gets you to Union. In most cases you would still have to get a cab to you hotel. $10-$15 and another 20 minutes? Unless you staying at the convention center. Most business people with expense accounts would probably pay the small difference for door to door. Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk During rush hour you're more likely to see train users as was mentioned. I doubt there are business travellers who for the sake of the train aren't willing to walk the last leg to their hotel. They usually aren't carrying much and places like the Intercontinental, Fairmont, Strathcona, Le St-Germain, Ritz, Novotel or even the Westin are a reasonable walk from Union. Some are also on the PATH. So there's the trade-off between time and convenience. I've seen the odd family with vacation luggage in the Skywalk as well. It would be more of a novelty for them given the price compared to taking a cab. Keep in mind most airport-downtown cab fares are fixed if booked rather than hailed. In this case it would be time vs. cost as the determining factor.
smallspy Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Think about it. $27.50 and 25 minutes gets you to Union. In most cases you would still have to get a cab to you hotel. $10-$15 and another 20 minutes? Unless you staying at the convention center. Most business people with expense accounts would probably pay the small difference for door to door. Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk If you're paying $27.50, than you're a fool. I've now used it for two flights, and in both cases I'm glad that I did. And that's despite the fact that I don't live or work downtown. Dan
Shaun Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 I passed a train leaving Union Station I saw about 40-50 people on board. It was a two car train.
YYZ Rampdog Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Unless your from Ontario with a Presto Card that is the rate? Maybe the question should be what is the average rate being paid by the people using it? Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk
smallspy Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Unless your from Ontario with a Presto Card that is the rate? Maybe the question should be what is the average rate being paid by the people using it? Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk The Presto price is $19 from end-to-end. And considering that anyone can buy a Presto Card, and do so at the Airport now, there's no excuse. Dan
Gil Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Unless your from Ontario with a Presto Card that is the rate? Maybe the question should be what is the average rate being paid by the people using it? Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk The Presto price is $19 from end-to-end. And considering that anyone can buy a Presto Card, and do so at the Airport now, there's no excuse. Dan When the TTC finally fully embraces the PRESTO card it will make more sense to pick one up at the airport and then decide how you want to make your way into the City. It would probably become more useful for tourists than business travellers unless they are in town often enough to keep and use one.
YYZ Rampdog Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Did you see new Rates? A 3 hour and 6 hour rate $27.50 round trip. They are already trying to introduce new rate categories. Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk
nfitz Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Did you see new Rates? A 3 hour and 6 hour rate $27.50 round trip. They are already trying to introduce new rate categories. There has been a 6-hour Long Layover Return from Pearson and a 3-hour "Meeter and Greeter" Return fare for $27.50 since the line first opened. What have they added that's new?
gecalsthom Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Did you see new Rates? A 3 hour and 6 hour rate $27.50 round trip. They are already trying to introduce new rate categories. Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk Yes, I have seen the meet and greet fare (3 hour ex Union stn) + the long layover fare (ex Terminal 1). However, they are not new and have been around since the very beginning. I already left a criticism with UPX that that not all fares are put on a board at the station and travellers do not know of all the options available to them.
GTAmissions1 Posted November 24, 2015 Report Posted November 24, 2015 I found this from the transit group on Facebook. Here is the link: http://imgur.com/r/toronto/K768yAW The Union Pearson Express is getting desperate and offering a free ticket when one ride is purchased to hopefully attract more people to use the service.
nfitz Posted November 24, 2015 Report Posted November 24, 2015 A short-term introductory promotion to encourage people to try using the line is desperate? Mark's Work Wearhouse must be really desperate ... bogo city.
leylandvictory2 Posted November 24, 2015 Report Posted November 24, 2015 no surprise as Union Pearson used to run 3 car trains. Nowadays, they only run 2 car train.
smallspy Posted November 24, 2015 Report Posted November 24, 2015 no surprise as Union Pearson used to run 3 car trains. Nowadays, they only run 2 car train. They've almost never run 3 car trains, and the times when they've have been by fluke.. They've almost never had enough equipment ready to go to pull it off. Dan
Token Dispenser Posted November 24, 2015 Report Posted November 24, 2015 no surprise as Union Pearson used to run 3 car trains. Nowadays, they only run 2 car train. The only time they had 3 car trains was during Pan-AM and that was only 1 train set out of 5.
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