Old Look Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 According to the Edmonton Sun yesterday, 25 "full-size" buses have been ordered for Sept. 2009 delivery. No mention if they're diesel or hybrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 According to the Edmonton Sun yesterday, 25 "full-size" buses have been ordered for Sept. 2009 delivery. No mention if they're diesel or hybrid. hmm first ive heard of it. Don't know where they are going to get money for these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted November 30, 2008 Board Admin Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Probably diesel. At the Community Conference, Charles Stolte presented that we would get 57 new full-sized buses and 7 Glavals for 2009. (And 42 new full-sized buses and 5 Glavals for 2010) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 New Flyer's lines are packed right now. It's likely that ETS had to let New Flyer know their interest to get a spot in the production line, or risk not having buses when they need them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Marriott Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Hopefully ETS doesn't use this order to retire any more GMC's, since according to the city budget documents we only have 19 spare diesel buses in rush hour. This order will almost certainly be diesel, since despite the fact that hybrid buses are "the best choice environmentally and financially" (according to ETS), the only order for hybrids being placed in the token 47 order to replace the trolleys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMS Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 For the record, are the ETS order buses mostly made in Winnipeg or in Minnesota? If Winnipeg is full, can production of Canadian buses be sent to Crookston, or vice-versa? Are there regulations stipulating a certain amount of Canadian labour needs to be in Canadian New Flyer products? Thanks for answering these questions for an ignorant Quebecker who never really sees New Flyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 For the record, are the ETS order buses mostly made in Winnipeg or in Minnesota? If Winnipeg is full, can production of Canadian buses be sent to Crookston, or vice-versa? Are there regulations stipulating a certain amount of Canadian labour needs to be in Canadian New Flyer products? Thanks for answering these questions for an ignorant Quebecker who never really sees New Flyers Like Orion, New Flyer products are built jointly in Canada and the US. Shells are made in Canada and shipped to the US for finishing. The Invero was apparently built entirely in the US, and it's very likely US orders could be built entirely in the US. I know that New Flyer runs two production lines in Winnipeg, one regular, and one alternative fuels (CNG, not sure if that included hybrids). I would post photos I have at the New Flyer plant, but, I believe like you guys out east with NovaBus, I prefer not to post photos taken at New Flyer's plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMS Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 I agree, it's probably best not to. Thanks for the information. However I guess we Canadians have Winnipeg builders plates and not Crookston. I would like to hear what you have to say on that... If New Flyer was seeing so much business, I don't see why they wouldn't open a subsidiary plant as well provided business is maintained at current rates but with the current economic conditions... maybe we'll face a few years of having no new buses. I presume Nova's new plant in Plattsburgh, NY, will build buses solely for the US market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Transit Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 New Flyer also has a manufacturing facility in St. Cloud, Mn., here in the US. Also, there was a news article about NovaBus's new US facility. It's suppose to open in March and it mentioned that one of the first bus orders to be built will be Vancouver's option order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 From Edmonton Examiner, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted December 19, 2008 Board Admin Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 4754-4773 here we come... Honestly I don't think 25 buses is going to make much of an impact if they are already short of buses. I also hope we actually can get them on time - New Flyer must be backed up like crazy. Though I guess it didn't specify what exactly they were. Here's hoping for Nova LFSes or Orion VIIs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T6H-5307N Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Too bad we don't get a 4777 (yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Look Posted December 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Too bad we don't get a 4777 (yet) But we will! The new buses will have fleet numbers 4754 to 4778 assigned to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCT-3122-D800-10240 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 But we will! The new buses will have fleet numbers 4754 to 4778 assigned to them. I was wondering when someone would catch on to that! :-p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T6H-5307N Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 ...sweet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicinity Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 4754-4773 here we come...Honestly I don't think 25 buses is going to make much of an impact if they are already short of buses. I also hope we actually can get them on time - New Flyer must be backed up like crazy. Though I guess it didn't specify what exactly they were. Here's hoping for Nova LFSes or Orion VIIs. lol theres more proof that ets shouldnt have retired so many gmc fishbowls. then u wouldnt be so short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 lol theres more proof that ets shouldnt have retired so many gmc fishbowls. then u wouldnt be so short. What would that have done? ETS is very short of space to keep operational buses. Still parking them outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicinity Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 What would that have done? ETS is very short of space to keep operational buses. Still parking them outside. well then how is ordering buses gona help build a new garage would be more helpful then 25 new buses if what you say is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 well then how is ordering buses gona help build a new garage would be more helpful then 25 new buses if what you say is true Replace 25 GM's or BBC's. I think that you missed the point though. ETS would have the current shortage with or without the GM's that were retired, simply because there is not enough garage space. Hence, blaming the shortage on GM's that were retired is a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicinity Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Replace 25 GM's or BBC's.I think that you missed the point though. ETS would have the current shortage with or without the GM's that were retired, simply because there is not enough garage space. Hence, blaming the shortage on GM's that were retired is a moot point. Ok so the Gms that were retired are still there ? and if so that is the reason for the storage shortage and the 25 buses will replace 25 or the 44 remaining Gmcs or 25 of the 56 BBc? correct? ( sorry for my slowness) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T6H-5307N Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Right now there are 29 BBCs and about 50 GMs in service. The new buses will probably retire some of the BBCs or GMs. Keeping the GMs that the LFRs retired wouldn't do any good, as there would be no garage space for them and no drivers to operate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicinity Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Right now there are 29 BBCs and about 50 GMs in service. The new buses will probably retire some of the BBCs or GMs.Keeping the GMs that the LFRs retired wouldn't do any good, as there would be no garage space for them and no drivers to operate them. ok thanks very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 From "Hicks on Six", The city's LRT fleet will double to about 65 cars once the South Campus station opens, but older cars will be rotated into the shop for refurbishment. On the bus side, 121 badly needed new buses are coming. But, 79 old GMs and trolleys will retire, bringing the total rolling stock to 903. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microbus Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hicks is right, the LRT fleet size will double, but to 74, not 65... So now how can we believe the 121 number? From "Hicks on Six",The city's LRT fleet will double to about 65 cars once the South Campus station opens, but older cars will be rotated into the shop for refurbishment. On the bus side, 121 badly needed new buses are coming. But, 79 old GMs and trolleys will retire, bringing the total rolling stock to 903. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hicks is right, the LRT fleet size will double, but to 74, not 65...So now how can we believe the 121 number? And why are the buses so badly needed apparently? We replaced a huge amount of buses already, and are far ahead of where we would have been should the usual practise of ordering 50 or so buses each year have continued. I guess it could be to suppliment the LFR's. Saw another dead one today. 4642 getting hooked up to Westwood tow truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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