Express691 Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Base order is 50 units by end of Q4 2023 Option 1: 84 units by 2024 Option 2: 30 units by 2025 "Optional works": -Passenger counter -USSC Aries is out. It's either the current SkyTrain seats or the USSC Gemini. -White LED signs. ============ Pretty sure it's the same as outlined in the CMBC Low carbon fleet strategy, minus the 30 units in 2025 which is new. My hunch is that they took 10 BEBs in 2025 and 20 BEBs in 2026 and combined them into one CNG order for 2025. TransLink board meeting minutes for meeting on June 23 2022 should come out sometime next week so that might have some answers. ======== Reminder that a separate thread exists for the battery electric bus orders after 2021. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathay 888 Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 I believe some unit will be replacing the C40LFR and D40LFR~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96 Blader Line Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 7 hours ago, Cathay 888 said: I believe some unit will be replacing the C40LFR and D40LFR~~ We know electric buses will replace the D40LFR but located to PTC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted June 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 50 units in 2023 replace current 3309-3358 http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards/IntergovernmentFinance/FIC_2021-Nov-10_PPT.pdf then it starts getting difficult: 84 units in 2024 replace 9601-9725 which is weird because you replace 126 with 84 Then as stated earlier 30 units in 2025 may be a revision of 2025/2026 battery electric bus orders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ1400 Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 interesting, which type of bus will be the future training units for new hires? d40lfr or older NovaBus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Community Shuttle Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 On 6/16/2022 at 2:14 PM, DJ1400 said: interesting, which type of bus will be the future training units for new hires? d40lfr or older NovaBus? Whatever they have on hand that works. We'll just have to wait and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted October 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 The contract awarded is worth $75.24m http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards/GVRD/RD_2022-Oct-28_AGE.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UprisingCanadian Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/28/2022 at 2:30 PM, Express691 said: The contract awarded is worth $75.24m http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards/GVRD/RD_2022-Oct-28_AGE.pdf If my math is correct, that comes out to around $561k a unit. (Counted 134 buses total, 50 + 84) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 How many units? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untitled Transit Posted October 31, 2022 Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 On 6/16/2022 at 12:28 PM, Express691 said: 50 units in 2023 replace current 3309-3358 http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards/IntergovernmentFinance/FIC_2021-Nov-10_PPT.pdf then it starts getting difficult: 84 units in 2024 replace 9601-9725 which is weird because you replace 126 with 84 Then as stated earlier 30 units in 2025 may be a revision of 2025/2026 battery electric bus orders Anyone think that the C40LFRs will be converted to diesel? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted November 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Untitled Transit said: Anyone think that the C40LFRs will be converted to diesel? Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untitled Transit Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Express691 said: Not a chance. They will just be scrapped this early? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted November 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Untitled Transit said: They will just be scrapped this early? 2023 is not early, buses are supposed to last 17-18 years with refurbishment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
981 Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 On 10/31/2022 at 9:55 PM, Untitled Transit said: They will just be scrapped this early? I've been told by some drivers that as far as CNGs go, tank life is what the retirement really depends on, unless the buses for sure have a lot of life left in them, like those old 3200s which were built as C40LFs then later dieselized because (from what I know) the tanks were not rated for as long of a life as the tanks in the C40LFRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GORDOOM Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 6 hours ago, 981 said: those old 3200s ... were built as C40LFs then later dieselized because (from what I know) the tanks were not rated for as long of a life as the tanks in the C40LFRs. That, and the CNG engines in them were absolute garbage. Dieselizing them made them much more usable vehicles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
981 Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, GORDOOM said: That, and the CNG engines in them were absolute garbage. Dieselizing them made them much more usable vehicles. Which engines specifically? From what I know, they were built with the Detroit 50 Series CNG and then some were later swapped to the Cummins Westport C Gas Plus, same engine as our C40LFRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UprisingCanadian Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 14 hours ago, 981 said: Which engines specifically? From what I know, they were built with the Detroit 50 Series CNG and then some were later swapped to the Cummins Westport C Gas Plus, same engine as our C40LFRs. They had a very bad power train setup (DDS50 x Voith), which lead to a lot of mechanical issues, and even engine fires. They decided screw it, gave nineteen a new diesel power train identification to other D40LFs, and six an engine swap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busmanic92 Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 On 10/31/2022 at 4:32 PM, Untitled Transit said: Anyone think that the C40LFRs will be converted to diesel? Maybe converted to a pancake breakfast scrap pile? Those are the worst I've rode. That's just my opinion anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madog222 Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 Metro Vancouver approved gas tax funding for the 84 unit order on the 24th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted March 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, madog222 said: Metro Vancouver approved gas tax funding for the 84 unit order on the 24th. There's this https://www.burnabynow.com/local-news/translink-delays-electric-bus-purchases-in-favour-of-natural-gas-6626938 But this part is where it's incorrect Quote The original plan was to replace diesel buses with electric-battery buses. But TransLink doesn’t have the charging infrastructure in place for such buses. I thought the original plan was to order 84 CNG units (at least in 2021 when the original plan came out) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madog222 Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 56 minutes ago, Express691 said: There's this https://www.burnabynow.com/local-news/translink-delays-electric-bus-purchases-in-favour-of-natural-gas-6626938 But this part is where it's incorrect I thought the original plan was to order 84 CNG units (at least in 2021 when the original plan came out) Yeah I don't see any deviation from what was already planned. I believe what he states as how the vote went but everything else is just an oversimplification at best. I think what he is trying to say is that ideally Translink would only buy battery electric onwards but we don't currently have infrastructure to support that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untitled Transit Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 Anyone know if we will get XNs again, or is that still unknown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96 Blader Line Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Untitled Transit said: Anyone know if we will get XNs again, or is that still unknown? There is a order of 84 or them coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted March 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Untitled Transit said: Anyone know if we will get XNs again, or is that still unknown? 3 hours ago, 96 Blader Line said: There is a order of 84 or them coming soon. would be hilarious if TransLink went with CNG Novas though. That's just my opinion though; the door is still open I'd say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
981 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 16 hours ago, Express691 said: would be hilarious if TransLink went with CNG Novas though. That's just my opinion though; the door is still open I'd say I'd personally like to see them acquire something that isn't XNs. I keep hearing from drivers about the various issues the XN40s have, specifically the newer XN40s, and it does make me wish we'd purchase some buses from an alternative manufacturer like ENC or Nova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now