toronto_1 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 yeah from what I remember, it costs roughly 26k a student to do the training so it's pretty pricy to lay off.. I guess since the ops that are all ON are safe for now but the ones in training and coming are in the predicament .. I keep hearing they want to eliminate OT and make all crews 8hrs .. don't know how true it is but I was told from a senior op that's 25 years on so take it for what it's worth lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMESSIAH Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Doesn't really cost though they lay them off they go in the pool and get brought back when there's space. Lots of companies do the exact same thing its annoying as an employee but as an employer its pretty smart. You don't have to pay people you don't need, dont have to worry about finding people last minute. My last company laid off half the drivers last year, they're all back now. Seems to be the way of the world now, either that or agency employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magoo Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 They said the same thing in the 80's and 90's but nothing happened. In fact about 5 years ago there were rumors of lay offs but never happened. Take it for what its worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leylandvictory2 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 If it happens, it happen. There is not much you can do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMESSIAH Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 If it happens, it happen. There is not much you can do about it. Sure there is! You can milk unemployment and go on vacation while you wait to be called back lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shambala Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 yeah from what I remember, it costs roughly 26k a student to do the training so it's pretty pricy to lay off.. I guess since the ops that are all ON are safe for now but the ones in training and coming are in the predicament .. I keep hearing they want to eliminate OT and make all crews 8hrs .. don't know how true it is but I was told from a senior op that's 25 years on so take it for what it's worth lol Some senior guys like to play mind games with the junior ops through rumor, gossip and innuendo. Unless they're reading Byford's mind they wouldn't have any way of knowing that anymore than you would. Those rumors have been going around forever. Still hasn't happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 yeah from what I remember, it costs roughly 26k a student to do the training so it's pretty pricy to lay off.. I guess since the ops that are all ON are safe for now but the ones in training and coming are in the predicament .. I keep hearing they want to eliminate OT and make all crews 8hrs .. don't know how true it is but I was told from a senior op that's 25 years on so take it for what it's worth lol Its roughly a 10k investment per trainee and remember its cheaper to pay OT than hire more people. With all the transit improvements coming everyone should be OK. Only thing to worry about is next contract in 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 So there's major service improvements coming, and people think this is the right time for them to get laid off. And OT isn't always great, because all drivers are still required to get a certain amount of sleep, OT can't cover everything, eventually you need new Ops.One thing I learned about TTC is that there is way too many rumors, and you find out which ones makes sense, and which doesn't. Most people at TTC don't know whats going on, and the amount of years an employee has is irrelevant. I can honestly, with out a doubt say that. But when your new, you are extremely gullible. I find that most info from this site, CPTDB, is more reliable than the info from your fellow co workers. I'm not joking. I meet people at TTC that never took the system until they applied for the job and had to do the job Shadowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 So there's major service improvements coming, and people think this is the right time for them to get laid off. And OT isn't always great, because all drivers are still required to get a certain amount of sleep, OT can't cover everything, eventually you need new Ops. One thing I learned about TTC is that there is way too many rumors, and you find out which ones makes sense, and which doesn't. Most people at TTC don't know whats going on, and the amount of years an employee has is irrelevant. I can honestly, with out a doubt say that. But when your new, you are extremely gullible. I find that most info from this site, CPTDB, is more reliable than the info from your fellow co workers. I'm not joking. I meet people at TTC that never took the system until they applied for the job and had to do the job Shadowing. There will always be a need for new ops, that will never change especially more so if levels are returned to 2011 levels. I have also noticed a definite reduction in crew values over the last few years as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shambala Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Only thing to worry about is next contract in 4 years. You keep saying that without any facts to back it up. What are you implying? It's vague, ambiguous and fear mongering to new ops. People say that about every contract year including the last contract year and look how that turned out. 4 years from now is a long way away, no one can predict what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 You keep saying that without any facts to back it up. What are you implying? It's vague, ambiguous and fear mongering to new ops. People say that about every contract year including the last contract year and look how that turned out. 4 years from now is a long way away, no one can predict what will happen. Relax, don't get your panties in a knot. True who knows what may happen at any time none the less 4 years from now...just things may not always be so rosey. Fear mongering? I would argue opposite that I'm very positive that if service levels are returned to 2011 levels there will be a lot more hiring to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 There will always be a need for new ops, that will never change especially more so if levels are returned to 2011 levels. I have also noticed a definite reduction in crew values over the last few years as well. Subways hasn't changed. Still big paying crews. Any idea what streetcars are like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BETTC Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 are any of the new ops coming to birchmount? so far, we've got a huge influx of training classes coming in but nobody senior is deciding to retire so its confusing.. as far as the rumor about lay offs, is that just b.s or is that something actually happening ? i have a friend going for his interview in Feb and was just curious to find out. Hi Atleast i m coming to birchmount from 2nd February. this layoff thing is just rumour. Car Insurance is increasing, New Immigrants coming everyday, TTC Plans to expand their transit system so how can they give layoff. AND 80% TTC Revenue Coming from Customer. Anybody knows how many night bus routes in birchmount division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 as far as the rumor about lay offs, is that just b.s or is that something actually happening ? Layoffs? How can there be any rumours of layoffs, now that the city has released the proposed 2015 budget that includes 797 new TTC staff positions, mostly to increase service. Presumably many of these positions will be operators. See the gory details in the 66-page briefing notes for the 2015 operating budget - http://www1.toronto.ca/City%20Of%20Toronto/Strategic%20Communications/City%20Budget/2015/PDFs/Operating%20Analyst%20Notes/Final%20-%20BC%20Operating%20Notes%20-%20TTC.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Layoffs? How can there be any rumours of layoffs, now that the city has released the proposed 2015 budget that includes 797 new TTC staff positions, mostly to increase service. Presumably many of these positions will be operators. See the gory details in the 66-page briefing notes for the 2015 operating budget - http://www1.toronto.ca/City%20Of%20Toronto/Strategic%20Communications/City%20Budget/2015/PDFs/Operating%20Analyst%20Notes/Final%20-%20BC%20Operating%20Notes%20-%20TTC.pdf No rumours of layoffs, just a rumour that new trainees are signing a document they may be laid off after the Pan Ams but would be first recalled. I've heard it from people at two divisions so either its complete BS and shows you how false rumours spread like wild fire....or ? But as nfitz mentioned many more to be hired and many also due to retire... all good things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto_1 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 birchmount has two night buses as far as I know, the 300 bloor danforth and 324.. just hope you're not the last person on spareboard or you're stuck there for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leylandvictory2 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 birchmount has two night buses as far as I know, the 300 bloor danforth and 324.. just hope you're not the last person on spareboard or you're stuck there for a while they also have the 320 McCowan night bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMESSIAH Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 http://transit.toronto.on.ca/bus/8304.shtml You can use this site to see who has what. Birchmount has Vic park, coxwell, mccowan and bloor Danforth which is shared with 3 other divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 And Yonge Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BETTC Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Thnak U very much for informing about night bus routes. It may be weird but i would like to drive night bus. Is it easy for new operator to get late relief and/or night bus? At Birchmount Division. Thanks on Advance. http://transit.toronto.on.ca/bus/8304.shtml You can use this site to see who has what. Birchmount has Vic park, coxwell, mccowan and bloor Danforth which is shared with 3 other divisions. Thanks LMESSIAHI checked the webpage. One question what is the difference between red and black letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMESSIAH Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Lol red letters are just links. You can click them for more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interstellar Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Hi everyone, I got call from the ministry of transportation, however, i missed the called. They left a message stating that they have graded class form for my driving license for the TTC and that i can go ahead for my Commercial testing. Never mind this post. I emailed the recruiter to clear the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Thnak U very much for informing about night bus routes. It may be weird but i would like to drive night bus. Is it easy for new operator to get late relief and/or night bus? At Birchmount Division. Thanks on Advance. Thanks LMESSIAH I checked the webpage. One question what is the difference between red and black letters. Nothing wrong with night buses. I loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMESSIAH Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Ya I take mostly night buses too easiest work if you ask me but you do have a whole lot of WTF passengers. Aside from them nothings easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I love WTF passengers, I find them entertaining. As long as they don't do something for me to get out the seat, I just enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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