R. McConnell Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Article here: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/...e-decker-buses/ It would definitely be interesting should this actually come to fruition... and the buses in question will most likely be Alexander Dennis Enviro 500s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted May 23, 2008 Board Admin Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Shouldn't be too big of an issue - they already have Gray Line sightseeing tours using double deckers, don't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. McConnell Posted May 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Shouldn't be too big of an issue - they already have Gray Line sightseeing tours using double deckers, don't they? Gray Line has Dennis Tridents with Duple Metsec bodywork as well as Alexander Dennis Enviro 500s, but those are open-top buses which are significantly shorter than standard closed-top versions. CitySights NY, another sightseeing company, runs a number of converted double-decker Orion I and Gillig Phantom buses with removable roofs. When they operate with the roofs attached (about the same height as a standard double-decker bus), they don't seem to have any clearance issues. The only obstacle facing the MTA would be clearance at some of its garages -- most are not tall enough to accommodate a standard double-decker bus. Also, a number of tunnels in the region can't even fit open-top double-reckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted May 23, 2008 Board Admin Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Ah, for sure - maintenance could be an issue. They park their MCI coaches outside, so double deckers would probably have to be too. Oh well, another demonstrator coming in the future maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbs7207b Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Gray Line has Dennis Tridents with Duple Metsec bodywork as well as Alexander Dennis Enviro 500s, but those are open-top buses which are significantly shorter than standard closed-top versions.CitySights NY, another sightseeing company, runs a number of converted double-decker Orion I and Gillig Phantom buses with removable roofs. When they operate with the roofs attached (about the same height as a standard double-decker bus), they don't seem to have any clearance issues. The only obstacle facing the MTA would be clearance at some of its garages -- most are not tall enough to accommodate a standard double-decker bus. Also, a number of tunnels in the region can't even fit open-top double-reckers. Those tridents/Enviro 500 are in the length of 40ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. McConnell Posted May 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Those tridents/Enviro 500 are in the length of 40ft. That's true, but the Enviro 500 is approximately 14 feet tall and that's too much for some of the area tunnels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 That's true, but the Enviro 500 is approximately 14 feet tall and that's too much for some of the area tunnels. im sure if MTA wanted for the right price and ordered a good number that Dennis or any other company will build something that would fit the tunnels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted May 26, 2008 Board Admin Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 I think there are already two different heights of double deckers (maybe not the Enviro 500 though?), but if the tunnels are an issue they should probably just look at more coaches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 I think there are already two different heights of double deckers (maybe not the Enviro 500 though?), but if the tunnels are an issue they should probably just look at more coaches... depends if they want to use them on tunnel routes???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2044 Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 I think there are already two different heights of double deckers (maybe not the Enviro 500 though?), but if the tunnels are an issue they should probably just look at more coaches... Yes, there are two heights for the E500. I think all North American ones are just under 14 ft. The other height is just over 14 ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centralsmt Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Dont forget New York used to operate Leyland Atlanteans in the 70's, they would have been full height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 The Van Hool TD925, however, could be spec'd to have a transit-style variant...and it is 13'2" in height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seashore_518203 Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Article here: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/...e-decker-buses/It would definitely be interesting should this actually come to fruition... and the buses in question will most likely be Alexander Dennis Enviro 500s. NYCTA also experimented with double deckers in the late 1970's. Attached is a shot of D3, taken on 5th Avenue in Manhattan in May of 1979. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. McConnell Posted May 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 NYCTA also experimented with double deckers in the late 1970's. Attached is a shot of D3, taken on 5th Avenue in Manhattan in May of 1979.Kevin As far as I know, that test program failed because the buses in question were poorly built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centralsmt Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 As far as I know, that test program failed because the buses in question were poorly built. not true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. McConnell Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 not true That's what I've heard from multiple sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtltransitguy Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 not true That what's the "real" story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. McConnell Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 That what's the "real" story? There was a related issue regarding the low clearances underneath traffic light arms on the streets where the double deckers were to operate, although that was rectified. I've heard that faulty components within the bus forced their early retirement. But if that's not the case, I'm still waiting for the "real" story as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general682002 Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 NYCTA also experimented with double deckers in the late 1970's. Attached is a shot of D3, taken on 5th Avenue in Manhattan in May of 1979.Kevin Gee, I can see small tagging already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centralsmt Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 There was a related issue regarding the low clearances underneath traffic light arms on the streets where the double deckers were to operate, although that was rectified. I've heard that faulty components within the bus forced their early retirement. But if that's not the case, I'm still waiting for the "real" story as well.... All political, and very well documented in publications of the history of Leyland Buses. I'd recommend the book The Leyland Bus by Doug Jack as a reference point. The fact that near identical buses were operating in Bhagdad at the same time is also interesting......................as I said all very political. The vast majority of them, 7 of the 8, actually saw service in the US and Canada for close on 30 years, says volumes for how good a vehicle the Atlantean actually was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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