BCT-3122-D800-10240 Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 March 13 2009 371 on Route # 55March 13 2009 380 on an Extra 60 March 13 2009 383 on unknown March 13 2009 386 on Route # 13 March 13 2009 392 on Route # 21 March 13 2009 394 on an Extra Dum question - what's wrong with MCI back doors? They often don't shut, the driver asks me to push them in! I was on Route 13 today with 433 maybe, the doors were so bad they flapped back and forth when a car would pass us at speed (50km/h) do to the air turbulence. They need to be adjusted so they stay shut tighter. Common problem on Classics with the single width rear doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T6H-5307N Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Just a quick question, are the three ETS Fishbowls (951, 983, 992) still in ETS colors or have they been repainted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus Driver Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Just a quick question, are the three ETS Fishbowls (951, 983, 992) still in ETS colors or have they been repainted? Still in ETS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Just a quick question, are the three ETS Fishbowls (951, 983, 992) still in ETS colors or have they been repainted? I doubt they will repaint them before retirement, after all they had just been very recently refurbed and repainted here in Edmonton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persona non grata Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 March 16 2009 377 on unknown March 16 2009 380 on an Extra March 16 2009 381 on an Extra March 16 2009 824 on Route # 21 March 16 2009 9707 on Route # 80 March 17 2009 377 on Route # 55 March 17 2009 381 on unknown March 17 2009 394 on an Extra 4 March 17 2009 398 on an Extra 5 March 17 2009 403 on Route # 13 March 17 2009 992 on unknown March 18 2009 386 on an Extra 70 March 18 2009 394 on Route # 13 March 18 2009 398 on an Extra March 18 2009 400 on an Extra March 18 2009 401 on Route # 85 March 18 2009 402 on unknown March 18 2009 821 on an Extra March 19 2009 371 on an Extra 5 March 19 2009 377 on Route # 21 March 19 2009 824 on an Extra March 20 2009 371 on Route # 5 March 20 2009 377 on Route # 11 March 20 2009 380 on Route # 22 March 20 2009 383 on an Extra March 20 2009 400 on Route # 6 March 20 2009 401 on Route # 12 March 20 2009 401 on Route # 3 March 20 2009 821 on Route # 21 March 20 2009 822 on Route # 13 March 20 2009 983 on an Extra March 30 2009 817 on Route # 4 March 30 2009 401 on an Extra March 30 2009 707 on Route # 5 March 30 2009 992 on unknown March 31 2009 392 on an Extra 3 March 31 2009 398 on an Extra March 31 2009 386 on an Extra April 1 2009 400 on an Extra April 1 2009 402 on unknown April 1 2009 607 on Route # 6 April 1 2009 824 on an Extra April 1 2009 951 on unknown April 2 2009 380 on Route # 6 April 2 2009 383 on an Extra April 2 2009 392 on an Extra 6 April 2 2009 394 on an Extra 3 April 2 2009 400 on an Extra April 2 2009 402 on unknown April 2 2009 818 on Route # 70 April 2 2009 951 on an Extra April 3 2009 392 on an Extra 6 April 3 2009 383 on an Extra April 3 2009 371 on Route # 4 April 3 2009 394 on an Extra 60 April 3 2009 9707 on Route # 80 April 3 2009 824 on Route # 13 April 3 2009 821 on Route # 5 April 6 2009 992 on an Extra April 6 2009 380 on Route # 6 April 6 2009 383 on Route # 4 April 6 2009 394 on Route # 4 April 6 2009 381 on an Extra 70 April 7 2009 383 on an Extra April 7 2009 992 on an Extra 4 April 7 2009 380 on an Extra 3 April 7 2009 821 on an Extra April 7 2009 401 on an Extra 60 April 7 2009 402 on an Extra April 8 2009 392 on an Extra 6 April 8 2009 371 on an Extra April 8 2009 394 on Route # 13 April 8 2009 380 on an Extra 80 April 8 2009 383 on Route # 25 April 8 2009 815 on Route # 50 April 8 2009 400 on an Extra April 9 2009 371 on an Extra April 9 2009 381 on an Extra 4 April 9 2009 386 on Route # 13 April 9 2009 394 on an Extra 60 April 9 2009 398 on Route # 85 April 9 2009 400 on an Extra 5 April 9 2009 703 on an Extra April 9 2009 821 on an Extra April 9 2009 951 on an Extra 6 April 13 2009 394 on Route # 4 April 13 2009 383 on Route # 6 April 13 2009 392 on Route # 11 April 13 2009 381 on Route # 6 April 13 2009 403 on an Extra 60 April 13 2009 400 on an Extra 80 April 13 2009 398 on Route # 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persona non grata Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 983 now had Saskatoon electronic route displays up front - no more of the paper version.Good to see them being converted. Very nice to hear! Hopefully we will see 983 start showing up on regular runs like the 300's 951 on Route #22 today with the proper electronic signage April 14 2009 821 on unknown April 15 2009 386 on Route # 21 April 15 2009 394 on Route # 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 I don't follow Saskatoon transit, but looking at the Wiki I notice the 1991 D40's are retired, but there is also running museums in the fleet from the 70's. What's the story there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCT-3122-D800-10240 Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 I don't follow Saskatoon transit, but looking at the Wiki I notice the 1991 D40's are retired, but there is also running museums in the fleet from the 70's. What's the story there? Same as in Calgary. Calgary has 1 NFI D40 left in service while 115 Fishbowls from 1977-82 are still running. Why retire buses that are still in good shape and are also cheaper to refurbish / rebuild? The NFI's have been known to have serious rusting issues compared to the GM Fishbowls. I am sure with some good funding, both systems would phase out all the Fishbowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 I realize as much but the issues with the D40's hit me by surprise, given that they've been relatively trouble free in Vancouver which operates a substantially larger fleet. Drivers on another list say they don't love driving them, but they seem to get the job done. Obviously there is an economic interest in keeping those old buses in service, but it just seems to hard to buy into. That said - it's a shame these systems are so poorly funded that they have 30 year old vehicles on the street. Most Vancouverites don't know how great they have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbdb Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Lots more salt on the roads in the winter. Not as much as big cities in the east but still more than Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persona non grata Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 April 17 2009 815 on Route # 80 April 17 2009 394 on Route # 4 April 20 2009 398 on an Extra April 20 2009 392 on Route # 12 April 20 2009 394 on unknown April 20 2009 401 on an Extra 23 April 20 2009 992 on Route # 21 April 21 2009 394 on Route # 4 April 22 2009 983 on Route # 4 April 22 2009 392 on Route # 21 April 23 2009 402 on Route # 21 April 27 2009 392 on Route # 13 April 27 2009 400 on an Extra April 27 2009 824 on Route # 13 April 27 2009 403 on Route # 21 April 27 2009 983 on Route # 6 April 27 2009 371 on Route # 21 April 28 2009 822 on unknown April 30 2009 371 on Route # 13 May 4 2009 983 on an Extra May 6 2009 400 on an Extra May 8 2009 992 on Route # 21 May 12 2009 822 on an Extra May 12 2009 386 on unknown May 12 2009 821 on an Extra May 13 2009 386 on Route # 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seashore_518203 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Just a quick question, are the three ETS Fishbowls (951, 983, 992) still in ETS colors or have they been repainted? I got a shot on Thursday of Saskatoon 992 (ex ETS). I will post it in a few days when I return from holidays. It is still in ETS paint but the Saskatoon Transit logos have been applied. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persona non grata Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Hurray, the ETS units are still news more than two years later? May 19 2009 371 on Route # 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus Driver Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Hurray, the ETS units are still news more than two years later?May 19 2009 371 on Route # 3 I didn't even relize that we had them that long! And I work there. One thing that I do like is that somebody got smart and put the destination signs and #'s. now they can be used on any route but for some reason they only put them on extras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persona non grata Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 May 20 2009 403 on Route # 4 May 20 2009 371 on Route # 4 May 20 2009 400 on Route # 22 May 20 2009 402 on Route # 13 May 21 2009 381 on Route # 4 May 21 2009 380 on an Extra May 21 2009 402 on an Extra May 21 2009 386 on Route # 4 May 22 2009 400 on Route # 5 May 25 2009 400 on Route # 22 May 26 2009 394 on unknown May 29 2009 398 on unknown May 29 2009 824 on Route # 21 May 29 2009 381 on Route # 14 June 1 2009 386 on Route # 12 June 3 2009 394 on Route # 3 June 4 2009 398 on Route # 12 June 5 2009 371 on Route # 6 June 8 2009 394 on Route # 4 June 8 2009 400 on an Extra June 8 2009 371 on Route # 21 June 8 2009 398 on unknown June 9 2009 377 on Route # 4 June 9 2009 403 on Route # 14 June 9 2009 951 on Route # 14 June 10 2009 383 on an Extra June 10 2009 386 on an Extra June 10 2009 402 on unknown June 11 2009 826 on an Extra June 15 2009 400 on Route # 21 June 15 2009 371 on Route # 3 June 15 2009 381 on Route # 12 June 16 2009 983 on Route # 25 June 16 2009 824 on an Extra June 17 2009 400 on an Extra June 17 2009 814 on Route # 60 June 17 2009 812 on Route # 80 June 18 2009 951 on Route # 13 June 18 2009 403 on Route # 3 June 18 2009 400 on Route # 12 June 19 2009 392 on Route # 5 June 19 2009 951 on an Extra June 22 2009 381 on unknown June 22 2009 400 on Route # 6 June 22 2009 826 on Route # 4 June 22 2009 401 on Route # 4 June 24 2009 816 on Route # 60 June 30 2009 403 on Route # 6 June 30 2009 402 on Route # 13 July 2 2009 401 on Route # 3 July 2 2009 821 on Route # 6 July 7 2009 392 on Route # 4 July 8 2009 992 on Route # 13 July 8 2009 403 on Route # 13 July 16 2009 392 on Route # 14 July 23 2009 398 on Route # 3 July 29 2009 805 on Route # 80 August 4 2009 992 on Route # 13 August 12 2009 403 on Route # 6 August 12 2009 394 on Route # 5 August 12 2009 822 on Route # 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsad Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 From the Aug 17 council minutes: (errors caused by Acrobat's OCR) Capital Project #0583 Transit Bus Replacement Award of Tender File No. CK. 1402-1 and WT 1402-16) RECONWLENDATION: 1) that the tender submitted by Nova Bus for the supply of three articulating transit buses, at a total cost of $2,254,970 (including G.S.T. and P.S.T.), be accepted; and 2) that the Corporate Services Department, Purchasing Services Branch, issue the appropriate purchase order. BACKGROUND Capital Project #0583 - Transit Bus Replacement provides funding for the purchase of four articulating transit buses. In 2008, the Sasltatoon Transit bus replacement plan identified the need to replace its aging fleet including vintage buses (1977 - 1989) currently in operation and 1995 and 1997 Low Floor 40' buses that are declining at an accelerated rate (body and mechanical) and are subsequently costly to repair. Articulating buses accomnodate 62 seated riders compared to 40 on a low floor bus and will contribute to addressing the growing bus service demands of neighbourl~oods in and around the University and DART routes. REPORT A Public Tender for the supply of two, and up to four, articulating buses closed on June 25, 2009, resulting in the following two subn~issions: Nova Bus, A Division of Volvo Group Canada Inc. (Saint-Eustache, Quebec) New Flyer Industries (Winnipeg, Manitoba) The proposals have been evaluated based on the proposal evaluation criteria (bus specifications and price). Based on this evaluation, Nova Bus fiom Saint-Eustache, Quebec has been selected as the most qualified company that meets the minimum required specifications at the lowest price. Subsequently, Saskatoon Transit is recommending accepting the tender submitted by Nova Bus to supply three articulating buses. In the 2009 capital budget, Transit's plan was to purchase four articulating buses at an estimated cost of $2.4M. The actual tender quotation for four buses is $2,982,482 (including taxes). OPTIONS Saskatoon Transit purchase four articulating buses at a cost of $2,985,482. Tlus option is not reconmended as it would be over the available budgeted amount by $585,248. FINANCIAL IMPACT There are adequate funds in the approved 2009 Capital Project #0583 for the purchase of three articulating buses. A breakdown of the costs is indicated below: Nova Bus (3 buses) $2,049,972 G.S.T. @ 5% 102,499 P.S.T. @ 5% 102.499 Total Cost to the City $2,254,970 Less Input Tax Credit 102.499 Net Cost to the City $2,152,471 Nova Bus proposal includes: ZF transmission; 2007 EPA Cummi~lgs Engine; Carrier RF353 HVAC; and hydraulic cooling. A breakdown of the cost of $2,049,972 for the three units is as follows: Two (2) 60' low floor articulating diesel transit buses with stainless Steel fianle and body construction @$693,46O/unit $1,386,920 Price for additional one or two buses as above @ $660,53X/unit 660,538 Three (3) Artic insulation packages @ $83X/unit 2.514 Total $2,049,972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus Driver Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 It s about time that they get there act together and get those artics. We really need them on the 50/60, 70/80 or even the 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsad Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 It s about time that they get there act together and get those artics. We really need them on the 50/60, 70/80 or even the 6. Yes, artics would be nice, BUT: other transit agencies (namely ETS) have had generally poor experiences maintaining them, and they end up in the garage more than they are on the road, and the operating cost per passenger km ends up being far higher than a 40-foot bus. Stoon Tran has nearly 60 old, diesel-guzzing, pollution spewing GMs and Classics that need to be replaced. That should be done before they start purchasing fancy buses. They are only purchasing 3, so only 2 will be on the road on any given day, and what if all three are out of commission, do they have contingency plans? Those are going to be mighty-full replacement buses if a 40-footer is replacing what is normally a 60-footer. Really, it is about time they get their act together and develop a strong business case for doing a mass purchase replacement of ALL remaining older 40' buses for new low floors. 50-60 buses, all in one year. Just get it done, not a trickle of 5 this year, and 3 the next, and 10 the next, etc... Must be a nightmare for the mechanics to keep all the differing requirements (re: EPA controls) sorted. I agree, though, an artic bus is better than no bus! The council minutes also have a copy of the updated UPass agreement for this academic year. In it is a point outlining a possible change in fare medium from a sticker for the student's id card, to a contactless smart card in January 2010. Anything you can share on this Bus Driver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stm_5307N Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Looks like a picked a good time to visit Saskatoon soon this fall! I need to catch those Jimmy's in service before they go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj.surf.lfs Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Nova Artics in Saskatoon?! If they indeed get this order, this means that Nova is really starting to do well in the West!! They would look great in Saskatoon's new liveries as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persona non grata Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 August 17 2009 401 on Route # 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Artics would be an ideal choice once a frequency of 10 minutes is reached and your busses are loaded to the gunnels. In Edmonton, the artics were not bought to address this type of situation. They were bought to maintain a 15 minute frequency and increase capacity, thus saving operator dollars. This is exactly what NOT to do with artics, get the frequency up to the 10 minute mark with your 40 footers, THEN go artic. On a side note, I wonder if our serviceability problems have to do with the steep river valley grades they are operated on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevep Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Really, it is about time they get their act together and develop a strong business case for doing a mass purchase replacement of ALL remaining older 40' buses for new low floors. 50-60 buses, all in one year. Just get it done, not a trickle of 5 this year, and 3 the next, and 10 the next, etc... Must be a nightmare for the mechanics to keep all the differing requirements (re: EPA controls) sorted. One problem with buying 50 - 60 buses in one shot is that they all tend to come due for rehab / replacement at around the same time. Unless that is budgeted for accordingly, a big capital financial hit is waiting years down the road. Buying a small number spread over several years is better, and chances are the buses they would replace are not all the same age / condition so the worst would be retired first. A good example is Edmonton Transit - went from fishbowls right into Low Floors; they went for years without buying and now are faced with huge numbers of buses to replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persona non grata Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Artics would be an ideal choice once a frequency of 10 minutes is reached and your busses are loaded to the gunnels. May I suggest Route 70/80 Southbound through Sutherland @ 8:10am. There were lots of times last year when the bus was so full he wouldn't even bother stopping. I'd wait 10 minutes for the next one (also full) & end up being late for class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus Driver Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Yes, artics would be nice, BUT: other transit agencies (namely ETS) have had generally poor experiences maintaining them, and they end up in the garage more than they are on the road, and the operating cost per passenger km ends up being far higher than a 40-foot bus. Stoon Tran has nearly 60 old, diesel-guzzing, pollution spewing GMs and Classics that need to be replaced. That should be done before they start purchasing fancy buses. They are only purchasing 3, so only 2 will be on the road on any given day, and what if all three are out of commission, do they have contingency plans? Those are going to be mighty-full replacement buses if a 40-footer is replacing what is normally a 60-footer. Really, it is about time they get their act together and develop a strong business case for doing a mass purchase replacement of ALL remaining older 40' buses for new low floors. 50-60 buses, all in one year. Just get it done, not a trickle of 5 this year, and 3 the next, and 10 the next, etc... Must be a nightmare for the mechanics to keep all the differing requirements (re: EPA controls) sorted. I agree, though, an artic bus is better than no bus! The council minutes also have a copy of the updated UPass agreement for this academic year. In it is a point outlining a possible change in fare medium from a sticker for the student's id card, to a contactless smart card in January 2010. Anything you can share on this Bus Driver? All that I herd is that we are going to get electronic fareboxes. When I don't have a clue I was under the impression that they would be on in time for the new school yr., but that's not going to happen. I agree with the replacement plan you suggested. As far as a contigency plan it would be safe to say they don't. I hope that I'm totally wrong but i don't think so. I know that thye aren't happy with the flyers and they had a 5 yr contract with Flyer which runs out next yr I think. From what I herd, they want to get Novas so this maby way they few buses at a time approch is being taken. Artics would be an ideal choice once a frequency of 10 minutes is reached and your busses are loaded to the gunnels.In Edmonton, the artics were not bought to address this type of situation. They were bought to maintain a 15 minute frequency and increase capacity, thus saving operator dollars. This is exactly what NOT to do with artics, get the frequency up to the 10 minute mark with your 40 footers, THEN go artic. On a side note, I wonder if our serviceability problems have to do with the steep river valley grades they are operated on? On the DART routes we do have 10 min. service. Artics would be an ideal choice once a frequency of 10 minutes is reached and your busses are loaded to the gunnels.In Edmonton, the artics were not bought to address this type of situation. They were bought to maintain a 15 minute frequency and increase capacity, thus saving operator dollars. This is exactly what NOT to do with artics, get the frequency up to the 10 minute mark with your 40 footers, THEN go artic. On a side note, I wonder if our serviceability problems have to do with the steep river valley grades they are operated on? We do have 10 min. srvice on the DART routes. May I suggest Route 70/80 Southbound through Sutherland @ 8:10am. There were lots of times last year when the bus was so full he wouldn't even bother stopping. I'd wait 10 minutes for the next one (also full) & end up being late for class. I think that that's where they would be going on the DARTs. I know that must suck to have buses pass you on by, I hate passing by people when I'm loaded right to the windshield ( which is illegal), but what to you do. I hope that they learned from last yr and have the extras out there right away and not 3 or 4 weeks into the school yr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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