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Exactly... Personally I think battery buses could very well be advanced enough by then to make this the last generation of trolley. However, if that is not the case, Vancouver would surely order enough to lead to bids - there were no readily available trolleys "off the shelf for the last order".

Hilarious Reddit thread with photo of a XN40 delivery: https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/9amcl1/driving_through_boise_id_i_spotted_a_familiar/?utm_source=reddit-android

As cool as it would be for a downtown terminus like that it would be totally impractical; complex move & crazy time consuming even if they didn't stop. But id love the ride! I strongly suspect it this were to ever be able to happen it is now (figuratively). The provincial government is very service oriented, the highway is junk, bus service is leaving... The province still owns the right via BC Rail to a lot of property in the Lonsdale area, a quick 12 minute SeaBus ride to downtown.

I've seen it out and about a lot. Wonder why no revenue service yet though?

WCE still has a spare though, right? Certainly not crazy two would be down.

A cheaper cab ride?

Hey maybe you told the future?!? There's the other 11!

I never noticed fleet number 9582 was skipped. Any idea why?

Some West Van employees who are reliable observers said on the Western Canadian Transit Facebook page that WVTC isn't getting the 240, to their knowledge.

Is it because of artic's? I'm just trying to understand the route swap logic?

The difference is I'm not saying Trolley's are good, therefore they're good. I'm saying they have real limits that cause genuine issue. I don't think I said trolleys were a thread to system viability - if I did it's a typo. Vancouver has done really extensive cost reviews- literally some of the best in the industry ever, about a decade ago. The name is escaping me but most here probably know what I'm talking about. Trolleys were with capital cost, maintenance, and unit operation the cheapest mode correct for service life. Like I've said numerous times, I like trolleys and this speaks to my love of efficiency. But as I keep saying and I keep getting rebutted on is that the infastructure limitations that trolleys create are a significant liability for TransLink. Because of their unique nature trolleys have the lowest utilization in the fleet, and are the only buses that require Depot swaps if any service route changes of signifigance are made since VTC holds an insufficient quantity of diesels to 'diesalize' service past one route. Recent example, the BMO Marathon was a very diesel day as trolleys sat unused at VTC for several routes. Zoning limitations have killed some trolley infastructure, namely Stanley Park. A long long time ago wires snuck into Burnaby but have never been subsequently allowed to expand after that. When I was still with TL and the Province review picked up the lack of trolley utilization a technology swap was tried for the 41; but trolleys never came as Burnaby won't support overhead. I'm not suggesting trolley replacement would somehow be prioritized over any other fleet, they are just due to come up in five years due to natural attrition.

Philosophical platitudes was an accurate description. But not intended to offend. The small Army is forty something people. It's generalized because this is a bus forum and I don't want to spend too much time here! 😂 I think the Russian example is exactly where problems do exist, but, speaking to future potential would cease to exist. I'm talking about the long play here. I've worked in planning at TransLink. The limits that the trolleys create are a big deal, and are a threat to future viability... Personally I am really excited about a quiet, emission free, catanery-less transit Vehicle that comes in at a potentially reasonable price. What will be interesting in five years from now when we get to the trolley replacement RFI stage to see if battery has developed enough to be a legitimate contender or not.

There are designated alternatives, until its on a trolley route.

Lol fair. I know Edmonton's situation was rough. I love trolleys myself. I just wonder if they're the best solution going forward.

Please drop the attempted condescending rhetoric. This has been an otherwise healthy discussion. Hydro is very involved with trolley infastructure and it's dynamic nature. That's substantially different than a charging station which is built, and then it's there. I'll post the same question again - what does a trolley offer that a battery bus doesn't?