Buzz2kb Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Orion6025 said: Could be ex-PART 1 hour ago, Chris.A said: Which system is that? It's Piedmont Authority for Regional Transportation based in Greensboro, North Carolina and operates inter-city commuter buses in the Greensboro/High Point/Winston-Salem (Piedmont Triad) area plus outlying counties around them. It has replaced some Orion VII OG's with New Flyer XD40's of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrabbleship Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 9 hours ago, Chris.A said: Which system is that? Piedmont Area Regional Transit in the Triad of North Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.A Posted June 30, 2019 Report Share Posted June 30, 2019 Seems that the NABI BRT 60 CNGs still have some life in them. #5414 was working the S4 a couple days ago, Funny that they could put these CNGs in reserves but not the Orion 7s (or the New Flyer C40LFs when they were still around)? Also, got word that the XN60 order has been cancelled. Instead, we'll be getting XD60s for some reason. Perhaps WMATA is downsizing their CNG fleet or has realized that CNG artics are kinda pointless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMATAC40LF Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 6:37 PM, Chris.A said: Seems that the NABI BRT 60 CNGs still have some life in them. #5414 was working the S4 a couple days ago, Funny that they could put these CNGs in reserves but not the Orion 7s (or the New Flyer C40LFs when they were still around)? Also, got word that the XN60 order has been cancelled. Instead, we'll be getting XD60s for some reason. Perhaps WMATA is downsizing their CNG fleet or has realized that CNG artics are kinda pointless? The C40LFs and many of the older VIIs were retired right before their CNG tanks expired. However, the tanks on the NABI artics still have some time left in them. And as for the XN60 order, while nothing has been confirmed, I wouldn't be surprised if Metro converted the it to diesel. The cost savings of CNG are apparently not as significant as Metro had originally thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.A Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 5 hours ago, WMATAC40LF said: The C40LFs and many of the older VIIs were retired right before their CNG tanks expired. However, the tanks on the NABI artics still have some time left in them. And as for the XN60 order, while nothing has been confirmed, I wouldn't be surprised if Metro converted the it to diesel. The cost savings of CNG are apparently not as significant as Metro had originally thought. I'm not too sure about the C40LFs, but the Orion VII OG CNG tanks are suppose to be good for about 15 years. As it stands, the 2005's are now completely retired and the 2006's are quickly following suit, but the 2005 buses were only around 13 years of age and their 2006 Counterparts are about 12-13 years old out of 15. The 2001-2002 C40LFs were around for 14-15 years. Something seems a bit strange about that picture, considering the entire C40LF fleet had taken a serious beating on them streets of Downtown Washington since 2001 while most of the Orion VII CNGs have been servicing Northern VA streets since 2005 and were "babied up" by Four Mile Run depot. Yet somehow the Orion VII OG CNGs are being retired 2 years earlier than they are supposed to despite being in fair condition (some I would even say GOOD condition). This kinda remind me of how when the 4300 series 1997 Orion Vs had left service (IIRC in circa 2014) while the 4200s and 4400s had remained for another year or 2 (despite the fact that many of the 4300s were assigned to Northern VA depots). This doesn't make much sense at all tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.A Posted July 4, 2019 Report Share Posted July 4, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 4:36 PM, WMATAC40LF said: The C40LFs and many of the older VIIs were retired right before their CNG tanks expired. However, the tanks on the NABI artics still have some time left in them. And as for the XN60 order, while nothing has been confirmed, I wouldn't be surprised if Metro converted the it to diesel. The cost savings of CNG are apparently not as significant as Metro had originally thought. #2670, #2671, #2672, and #2673 FMR to Bladensburg. #3029-3035 Bladensburg to FMR. XN40s #3270-3274 have been delivered. 2019 XN40 order (except for #3235) is now complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.A Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 4:36 PM, WMATAC40LF said: The C40LFs and many of the older VIIs were retired right before their CNG tanks expired. However, the tanks on the NABI artics still have some time left in them. And as for the XN60 order, while nothing has been confirmed, I wouldn't be surprised if Metro converted the it to diesel. The cost savings of CNG are apparently not as significant as Metro had originally thought. Does anyone know why the LFA series buses (especially the DE42LFAs) blow tons of smoke from the exhaust? I saw no less then 5 of them doing that today throughout Northern VA. I also saw a couple of DE37LFAs and they did not do that. What is with the DE42s? I think even the 2000 Orion Vs are more so clean air buses then these. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gequanne Cabey Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Chris.A said: Does anyone know why the LFA series buses (especially the DE42LFAs) blow tons of smoke from the exhaust? I saw no less then 5 of them doing that today throughout Northern VA. I also saw a couple of DE37LFAs and they did not do that. What is with the DE42s? I think even the 2000 Orion Vs are more so clean air buses then these. lol I believe the reason for that is because some of them probably are not rehabbed yet so the batteries are worn out and need replacing which causes the Diesel engine doing most of the work thus producing smoke. Another reason could be the engine itself needs to either fixed, refreshed or needs replaced. But I could be wrong. Hybrid buses are very weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.A Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 23 hours ago, Gequanne Cabey said: I believe the reason for that is because some of them probably are not rehabbed yet so the batteries are worn out and need replacing which causes the Diesel engine doing most of the work thus producing smoke. Another reason could be the engine itself needs to either fixed, refreshed or needs replaced. But I could be wrong. Hybrid buses are very weird. Those buses are not too clean are they? I think they spew out more CO2 than the buses they replaced back in the late 2000's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMATAC40LF Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 On 7/9/2019 at 8:59 PM, Chris.A said: Does anyone know why the LFA series buses (especially the DE42LFAs) blow tons of smoke from the exhaust? I saw no less then 5 of them doing that today throughout Northern VA. I also saw a couple of DE37LFAs and they did not do that. What is with the DE42s? I think even the 2000 Orion Vs are more so clean air buses then these. lol Lol the LFAs are like diesel pickup trucks modified to "roll coal". They've been smoking for years, and while I don't know the exact cause, here's my two cents... Diesel Particulate soot (Black Carbon) is caused by the incomplete combustion of diesel fuel. All of WMATA's LFA buses were built to the EPA 2007 emission standard. Now I'm no engine expert, but I understand that many engines built to this standard use an EGR system to control NOx. The downside of this, however, is that EGR decreases the efficiency of the combustion cycle. While these buses are equipped with Diesel Particulate Filters, an EGR valve that isn't working properly is enough to produce more soot than the filter can handle (and thus, an outburst of particulates can occur). Older buses don't have such substantial EGR systems (because NOx limits weren't as strict before 2007), while EPA 2010+ buses use more efficient SCR systems to meet stricter NOx limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.A Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 11:53 PM, WMATAC40LF said: Lol the LFAs are like diesel pickup trucks modified to "roll coal". They've been smoking for years, and while I don't know the exact cause, here's my two cents... Diesel Particulate soot (Black Carbon) is caused by the incomplete combustion of diesel fuel. All of WMATA's LFA buses were built to the EPA 2007 emission standard. Now I'm no engine expert, but I understand that many engines built to this standard use an EGR system to control NOx. The downside of this, however, is that EGR decreases the efficiency of the combustion cycle. While these buses are equipped with Diesel Particulate Filters, an EGR valve that isn't working properly is enough to produce more soot than the filter can handle (and thus, an outburst of particulates can occur). Older buses don't have such substantial EGR systems (because NOx limits weren't as strict before 2007), while EPA 2010+ buses use more efficient SCR systems to meet stricter NOx limits. You may be on to something. Anyhow, 2009 New Flyer DE42LFA #6323 broke down earlier on the 29K heading west to the University in , causing traffic no less... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.A Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 4:36 PM, WMATAC40LF said: The C40LFs and many of the older VIIs were retired right before their CNG tanks expired. However, the tanks on the NABI artics still have some time left in them. And as for the XN60 order, while nothing has been confirmed, I wouldn't be surprised if Metro converted the it to diesel. The cost savings of CNG are apparently not as significant as Metro had originally thought. Assuming this was not mentioned yet, #2620-2625, #2628, #2630-2635, #2637-2639, #2642, #2645, #2648-2649, #2652-2654, #2656-2657, #2659-2667, #2669, #2674-2676, and even #2704 have all been retired as off late! The 2019 New Flyer XN40 order is complete. Lowest 2016 XN40 at FMR is now #2910. About 57 40ft 2006 Orion VII CNGs remain and 92 Orion VII CNGs remain in service overall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.A Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 DE42LFA #6363 Broke down the other day heading north to pentagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsubishi Fuso 6512 Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Transitalk Transportation Media Group just updated the new photos of Ex-Westchester County Bee-Line System 2002-03 Neoplan USA AN460A Transliner Articulated this 2 days ago http://www.ttmg.org/dash-neoplan.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.A Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 Breaking news! PRTC Omniride is currently suffering a transit strike. Most drivers have not showed up to work and as a result, there are huge delays with bus service (only newer drivers and supervisors are driving buses now, PRTC Omnilink buses are not affected) They are mad about working without a new contract with First Transit (or something to that effect). This could go on for weeks and that's on top of the already chaotic Metrorail shutdown in northern va. However, despite this, PRTC seems to be testing a brand new MCI D45CRT Lite bus for possible future orders. The bus is in all white. In-terms of Metrobus news, spotted 2 2700's working the 28A this evening (#2718 and #2730), nice to see something other than New Flyer Xcelsior CNGs in service out of FMR. Meanwhile 2 more Orion VII OG CNGs are in service in downtown (#3008 and #3005 on the 74 and U5 respectively). These buses are really well on their way out now. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCTransitFilms Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) I got information on some information that can be edited on the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority article on CPTDB. Here are the following: -5058-5059 will be sold to a private investor while 5112-5113 will be donated (for the rail fleet) For the Bus Fleet -The following Orion VII CNGs are currently in service: 2616, 2626-2629, 2636, 2640-2641, 2643-2644, 2646, 2650-2651, 2655, 2658, 2665, 2668, 2670-2671, 2673, 2677, 2679-2685, 2701–2703, 2705-2730) -2205 is at Andrews Federal Center division -All 3100s are at Four Mile Run division not at Landover division -2908-2993 are at Four Mile Run division -3224 is back in service -3036-3040 are at Landover division while 3041-3044 are at Southern Ave division -3028-3031 are at Four Mile Run division -6185 and 6190 are at Shepherd Parkway division while 6186-6187 are at Southern Ave division -6193, 6194, 6195, 6197, and 6198 are at Landover division -6584 is at West Ox division -7261 is back at Montgomery division -7346 is at Southern Ave division -7100 will be at Andrews Federal Center division once it's repaired I also think it's a good idea to combine both the 2011 New Flyer XDE40s (7001-7100 and 7101-7152) together and combine 2012-2013 XDE40s (7153-7167 and 7168-7272) together like how they done on the Wikipedia Metrobus Article. It'll also be a good idea to combine the DE40LFAs together as well along with the Orion VIIs both Hybrids and CNGs like on the Metrobus articles. Edited August 12, 2019 by DCTransitFilms mistake editing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.A Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Just an update. Interms of Fairfax Connector news, West Ox just received about 4 brand new XD40s (BRT styled) #7826-7829, one of which was still covered with factory plastic. We had 3 more breakdowns in the last week, 2 Cinder Bed hybrids broke down on I-395 heading north just minutes apart and yesterday a West Ox DE37LFA had to be road called. Stalled out on the 26A. Also yesterday, a brand new PRTC MCI D4500CT had a couple flat tires (forgot the #). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCTransitFilms Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 7 hours ago, Chris.A said: Just an update. Interms of Fairfax Connector news, West Ox just received about 4 brand new XD40s (BRT styled) #7826-7829, one of which was still covered with factory plastic. We had 3 more breakdowns in the last week, 2 Cinder Bed hybrids broke down on I-395 heading north just minutes apart and yesterday a West Ox DE37LFA had to be road called. Stalled out on the 26A. Also yesterday, a brand new PRTC MCI D4500CT had a couple flat tires (forgot the #). Transdev isn't really doing a good job maintaining the Hybrids. Always breaking down it seems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion6025 Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 4:45 AM, Chris.A said: Fairfax Connector news, West Ox just received about 4 brand new XD40s (BRT styled) #7826-7829 Fairfax Connector stores buses in WMATA's West Ox yard? While we're on the topic of fairfax, all their 2002 Orion 5s are retired, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCTransitFilms Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Orion6025 said: Fairfax Connector stores buses in WMATA's West Ox yard? While we're on the topic of fairfax, all their 2002 Orion 5s are retired, right? Yea West Ox is shared with WMATA. All Orion Vs from Fairfax Connector are retired I heard. Recently today my friend got a flipdot and an Orion sign from Fairfax Connector 7922 at some scrap yard along VA-234 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCTransitFilms Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 I also got more information on retired Orion VII buses. 2668 is still active, and the following 2700s are active as of right now: 2703, 2706, 2712, 2713, 2717-2720, 2723, 2724, 2727, 2730 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.A Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 On 8/18/2019 at 8:22 PM, Orion6025 said: Fairfax Connector stores buses in WMATA's West Ox yard? While we're on the topic of fairfax, all their 2002 Orion 5s are retired, right? Yeah, the last FFC Orion Vs retired last summer. 10 hours ago, DCTransitFilms said: I also got more information on retired Orion VII buses. 2668 is still active, and the following 2700s are active as of right now: 2703, 2706, 2712, 2713, 2717-2720, 2723, 2724, 2727, 2730 What the hell? That's all that remains? #2701-2702, (#2704 was already mentioned as retired a few weeks ago) #2705, #2707-2711, #2714-2716, #2721-2722, #2725-2726, and #2728-2729 are all retired that fast?!? I just #2702 sometime last week and a few of those other units in the last few weeks! I got to go back to hunting these buses before they are all retired! I did see #2706, #2712, and #3028 all in Pentagon city/ pentagon area this afternoon. Also saw 2 2016 7300 series New Flyer XDE40s (not XN40s) working on the 10A today. #7319 and another one that I forgot. #7333 maybe? WTH.... On 7/10/2019 at 11:53 PM, WMATAC40LF said: Lol the LFAs are like diesel pickup trucks modified to "roll coal". They've been smoking for years, and while I don't know the exact cause, here's my two cents... Diesel Particulate soot (Black Carbon) is caused by the incomplete combustion of diesel fuel. All of WMATA's LFA buses were built to the EPA 2007 emission standard. Now I'm no engine expert, but I understand that many engines built to this standard use an EGR system to control NOx. The downside of this, however, is that EGR decreases the efficiency of the combustion cycle. While these buses are equipped with Diesel Particulate Filters, an EGR valve that isn't working properly is enough to produce more soot than the filter can handle (and thus, an outburst of particulates can occur). Older buses don't have such substantial EGR systems (because NOx limits weren't as strict before 2007), while EPA 2010+ buses use more efficient SCR systems to meet stricter NOx limits. Also, has anyone seen any #2100's or #2200's lately? Haven't seen an Orion V in a while (besides DASH bus ones). Lastly, are we in the 7700 series of cars yet? How far are we from the end of the order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCTransitFilms Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 20 hours ago, Chris.A said: What the hell? That's all that remains? #2701-2702, (#2704 was already mentioned as retired a few weeks ago) #2705, #2707-2711, #2714-2716, #2721-2722, #2725-2726, and #2728-2729 are all retired that fast?!? I just #2702 sometime last week and a few of those other units in the last few weeks! I got to go back to hunting these buses before they are all retired! I did see #2706, #2712, and #3028 all in Pentagon city/ pentagon area this afternoon. Also saw 2 2016 7300 series New Flyer XDE40s (not XN40s) working on the 10A today. #7319 and another one that I forgot. #7333 maybe? WTH.... Also, has anyone seen any #2100's or #2200's lately? Haven't seen an Orion V in a while (besides DASH bus ones). Lastly, are we in the 7700 series of cars yet? How far are we from the end of the order? 2702 didn't show up on the tracker then if it's still active. I haven't seen the rest on the tracker though. Also 10A using 2016 XDE40s? Does Southern Ave help some trips on the 10A because some D40LFRs were spotted on the 10A before? Also the Orion Vs are being used as reserve service and shuttle services. Haven't seen them running on regular routes since a bit after June 2019. And Ik from a facebook group we got 7700 I presume but idk what else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.A Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 On 8/21/2019 at 7:59 PM, DCTransitFilms said: 2702 didn't show up on the tracker then if it's still active. I haven't seen the rest on the tracker though. Also 10A using 2016 XDE40s? Does Southern Ave help some trips on the 10A because some D40LFRs were spotted on the 10A before? Also the Orion Vs are being used as reserve service and shuttle services. Haven't seen them running on regular routes since a bit after June 2019. And Ik from a facebook group we got 7700 I presume but idk what else. Maybe, cause Southern Ave (along with Sheppard's Parkway depots) are the closest depots (not counting the former Royal street depot) to Four Mile Run in Nova. At last checked, those lower 7300 series XDE40s were assigned to Southern Ave. There were D40LFRs there too? It's possible (or even probable) that FMR is short on buses due to the scrapping of the Orion VII CNG fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCTransitFilms Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 On 8/23/2019 at 9:15 PM, Chris.A said: Maybe, cause Southern Ave (along with Sheppard's Parkway depots) are the closest depots (not counting the former Royal street depot) to Four Mile Run in Nova. At last checked, those lower 7300 series XDE40s were assigned to Southern Ave. There were D40LFRs there too? It's possible (or even probable) that FMR is short on buses due to the scrapping of the Orion VII CNG fleet. Yea most likely FMR is running short on buses. They gotta handle more busier routes and more buses going under maintenance and stuff. Guessing that’s why Southern Ave helps the 10A. But it’s only during the PM Rush that Southern Ave helps the 10A. Also Southern Ave has XDE40s 7300-7346, D40LFRs 6104-6136, and Orion VII Hybrids 3041-3044 only used on the U4 for some odd reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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