Chris.A

The MTA does that too on Staten Island sometimes. If they are short on LFSs, Orion VII NG hybrids, or Orion VII 3G Clean diesels, they'll put a Prevost X3-45, or an MCI D4500/CL/CT on a local run.

Electric is just not going to work. These TAs are going to regret it.

It seems Novabus need to be a bit more aggressive in the future with bids. Especially with the LFSe coming out. If they want to compete with the likes of New Flyer and even Proterra, they (and I would say Gillig as well) need to bid more aggressively and speed up the development of EVs in their lineup.

I was thinking the next wave of XN40s would be in the 3200-3300 range. I have a feeling they'll number the XD40s in the 4000s for some reason.

So, basically, the 2001 D4500s are going to run on local routes? BTW, are there any D40LFs still in service? If so, how many? I know the DD50 units retired like 2-3 years ago.

Any chance that the next bus order could resume the 8000 series or even 9000s? That series hasn't been in use since the last Metro Bs retired earlier this decade.

But they never had a major order up there?

Lol

Has Gillig ever sold any buses to Canada before?

Are anymore XN40s coming in for next year? I don't see how they can retire the 2006-2007 Orion VII CNGs as well as whatever 2005 CNGs are left by then without one.

Seems that the day when riding buses won't be fun anymore is fast approaching....

I wouldn't be surprised if those go to storage to replace the remaining 2000 Orion Vs in storage. Wonder if the 2007 New Flyer C40LFRs are gone after next year too? We already know that the 2008 NABI BRT-60 CNG Artics are slated for retirement the year after that. In other news, if not mentioned already, there are two retired 1999-2000 Fairfax connector Orion Vs sitting in a scrap yard in near Montclair in Prince William county. Anyone know why they got rid of their 40ft Orion Vs early?

The order consist of 3010-3309 right? Are the R42s gone after next year?

Why come up with an idiot rule like that? Diesel these days are extremely clean now and are almost as fuel efficient as hybrids (or even more in some cases). I am certain that 100% electric will be a failure, a complete one. NY MTA wants to go all electric by 2040 and Bee Lines might follow suit. NICE bus meanwhile is going the CNG route for the time being. WMATA in D.C. is giving up on hybrids it seems and for the next decade will only buy clean diesel and CNG buses. Electric buses will do poorly in extreme cold and snow. It will be a mistake to go all electric. In the MTA's case, I would divide fuel types up similar to how things are now. Going forward, they should have the fleet: 40% Clean diesel, 35% CNG, 25% Diesel-electric hybrid, and 5% other (including electric and other test fuel buses).

There's no systems with hybrids in Southern Cal?