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  1. https://www.nfigroup.com/press-releases/ copy-paste
  2. Can anyone confirm whether any buses out of the 5100-5300 series, aside from the 2 involved in the major incidents, are permanently retired? I have a roster from MCTS which omits quite a few of these buses. Due to their young-ish age (Not being 12...) and how many are omitted, I can't be sure if this means they are parked due to corona, or if they are gone for good (I assume that would mean exceeding 500k miles, and replaced by Gilligs)..
  3. Yeah I heard the same thing as well. I guess this will be another one of the "what-ifs" consigned to transit history.
  4. Right, the batteries make repairs much more expensive. Coupled with the fact that the hybrids generally have lower MDBF when compared to the diesels, it doesn't make much fiscal sense to keep repairing them endlessly when they can be replaced using federal money anyway. It's just lobbing money into a furnace to keep them around. The goal is 12 years, not 15, based on eligibility for federal funding.
  5. shoot they didn't waste any time getting rid of that lone 2008.
  6. If you mean increasing fleet size again so that it matches what it was pre-corona, then that wouldn't be surprising, but expanding beyond that?? I wouldn't go so far as to call it a fact lol. Just because a depot isn't full doesn't mean it has to be, it isn't some goal to pack them wall to wall with buses. The goal is to have enough buses to make service while maintaining a reasonable spare factor. As New York reopens and service is appropriately increased, some of the freed space will probably get filled in with the 130 or so 'expansion' buses that are retroactively replacing the 2005-2007 Orions replaced late last year. They certainly could store Orions, I haven't heard an indication that they will so far, will but it's possible.
  7. Here is the math. There are 291 LFS HEV #9620-9910 There are 209 LFS #8755-8963 There are 194 XDE40 #9416-9499, 9510-9619 There are 139 XD40 #7851-7989 That's a total of 833 new buses. There were 200 2006 Orions #3500-3599, 6690-6789 There were 300 2007 Orions #3600-3783, 6790-6905 There are 160 2008 Orions #3800-3959 That's a total of 660 buses. Of course this wasn't exactly 660 prior to the mass retirements in September-November 2020, it was a little less, but to keep this simple let's just keep it at 660. No 2005 Orions were retired between mid July and late September 2020, so let's use mid-July 2020 numbers to estimate how many 2005s were retired sans replacements. There were 78 active 2005 Orions. 660+78 = 738, 738 is less than 833. If the MTA chooses to retire buses one-for-one based on the numbers just before the Sept-Nov 2020 mass retirement, 95 2009 Orions were going to be retired anyway. If you want to use an even more conservative number, let's draw from the mid February 2020 numbers to ensure we are using a figure that is not impacted by corona. At the time, there were 84 active 2005 Orions. 660 + 84 = 744. 744 is also less than 833. Some 2009s were going to retire regardless. You would have to go back to mid July 2019 to get close to 833 active 2005-2008 Orions (829 active). Furthermore, if the MTA decides to hold on to the best performing 2008s at MTA Bus, more 2009s are going to retire in place of those 2008s. you need to remember than the MTA does not do 1-for-1 artic-rigid replacement. When they put XN60 at Gleason, the total # of buses at the garage was going to drop regardless because of this. West Farms picked C40LF off of Gleason, but it's not like all of those C40LF were taken without replacements... Any reductions in fleets at FP, EN, GA, FB, UP due to the retirement of the Orions is addressed above.
  8. Like I said, some 2009s are going to be retired regardless of their mechanical state based on how many Novas and New Flyers that are on order. So, it's more economical to retire a 2009 Orion with an expensive mechanical failure now, than it is to repair that bus only to retire it within a year's time again.
  9. 6691 is still with MV, it's on the M116 right now.
  10. Based on the # of Novas and New Flyers on order, some 2009s were bound to be retired. If one of those breaks down and it is uneconomical to pay for the repair, then it’s simpler to just retire the bus instead of spending a large amount of $ repairing it.
  11. They got 93001 but they failed to get one as a representative for transit configured orion 5s. They were going to get one of the two 1996 Orions r/n into the 1300 series, but both were scrapped, they then tried to get 6000 but there was too much frame rot so that scrapped that, 6326 *appears* to be scrapped as well. the 1993 orion used at zerega was junked too. There are also 174,180 but being roadeo equipment buses, I’m not sure if that counts as preservation (considering all past roadeo equipment buses have been junked).
  12. I would endorse this as well ^^. Of the top ~~100 rows of the L VINs page, only 19 of them have to do with L-series VINs... Granted, we’re certainly missing some serials that would fit in the huge block, but that doesn’t excuse the fact that the page doesn’t really look as nice and doesn’t communicate information well. I mean,,, currently only 19% of the first 100 rows has information relevant to the page title... And while the K VINs page looks a little less extreme, that’s because only a couple 2018 model blocks have been put in. If someone actually went to fill in all the J VINs on that page, I imagine it would look just as insane. It takes long enough to just gather the serials to put onto a page because of how many different orders Gillig fulfills, and having to spend another hour or so editing at least three pages to make sure the different serial groups are reflected accurately across all the relevant pages is really not fun... not to mention that all the extra work just makes all three pages harder to read.. It kind of becomes a lose/lose situation; it’s not fun as an editor, nor is it fun as a reader (From my POV, at least). i kind of wish I could get some of the time back that i sunk into the K and L VINs page; while the concept of condensing vins into this type of format works great (Older versions of the L VINs page without all the 2019 serial blocks look fine IMO), this method of grouping serials is really not nice to read/process... Also the fact that editors may need to edit up to at least three pages just to input one serial block means that the format is ripe for mistakes as well in the future. As a full disclaimer, initially I had no opinion - making pages by serial blocks was not standard, but making pages by model year would result in a lot of linking. That said, having an actual, worked example of what a page grouped by model year looks like, and having worked on those pages and getting an idea of the work needed to put them together, I agree, it would be wiser to go by blocks of serials instead.. ———— While we’re on this topic, I’d like to propose linking VIN pages in a similar manner to what is done on the New Flyer pages with the white bar and bold black text, and also employing the use of empty rows for gaps in serials.. to keep the pages at a reasonable length, perhaps the serials should be grouped at no more than 1,000? That’s just an arbitrary suggestion, but I went thru the New Flyer pages (randomly chose some from the 2003-2009 block) and the difference between the lowest and highest serial #s on the pages are generally between 1,000 and 3,000. I generally find the new flyer pages to be of a reasonable length so shooting for something in that range would be best IMO. I choose the lower bound though since not all of the 1,000-3,000 serials will have their own rows on the NFI pages of course due to differences in model year (making the page appear artificially short), so it might be better to lean on the lower end since we would be creating rows for every serial used.. Title suggestion- Gillig Serials #[Lower bound]-[Upper bound]
  13. I think they might be done? They’re no longer listed as pending preservation. Typical NYTM not giving a crap about the bus fleet and only babying their subways..
  14. I'm fairly certain 1020 is done done.
  15. 2217,2220,2225,2228 at least are still at Castleton, they ran during the evening rush today as well. 2218 also is still at Castleton, though it didn’t run this evening. That’s not to say they won’t go to Eastchester soon, though. Unsure where 2219,2221,2227 have been today, it’s possible those were transferred at some point today but the change has not been reflected yet if that is the case. 2213,2216 are physically at Eastchester but are still assigned to Castleton. 2222 and 2226 are the only buses actually assigned to Eastchester right now. — as of 5/10 10:22p
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