Ode of Bund Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Went further north a little bit, suddenly saw 173 driven by Jim, the mechanic, with poles down and emergency lights flashing, the trolley sat dead just beside the casino. Obviously Jim was doing a test drive on the trolley that he just fixed, but unaware of any disruption, his trolley went into the circuitry where power was shut down. So he got some helpful hand from another machanic by being pushed around the block in front of the CN Tower in order to head back to Westwood: ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modulator Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 A trolley doing the CN tower loop. There's something I never thought I'd see. It's not exactly used to deenergize the overhead... but rather to prevent the overhead from being energized accidentaly. All it does is create a short circuit should power be turned back on. This will then trip the breaker. My nickname for it is a "parasite". I.e. if power crew #1 is working on the wires, and power crew #2 inadvertantly turns the power back on, power crew #1 won't suddenly be electrocuted. Power is left on unless it has a reason to be off. From the point of view of the public, wires should always be considered to be energised. If Epcor started shutting off the power when it's not being used, I think it would be a liability issue. Suppose the power was left on when it was 'supposed' to be turned off, and someone who thinks that the power's off leans something against the wires... (It's late, so I'm too tired to think of a better example. I hope the point's coming through). The parallel is the railways' campaign that "any time is train time". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaintrolley Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 That means they turned the power back on to Borden Park/Highlands. Finally we can stop running diesels on the Route 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Went further north a little bit, suddenly saw 173 driven by Jim, the mechanic, with poles down and emergency lights flashing, the trolley sat dead just beside the casino. Obviously Jim was doing a test drive on the trolley that he just fixed, but unaware of any disruption, his trolley went into the circuitry where power was shut down. So he got some helpful hand from another machanic by being pushed around the block in front of the CN Tower in order to head back to Westwood:] Those are some very unique pictures. something you may never see again especially within the next couple years. Way to go to get those shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaintrolley Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Those are some very unique pictures. something you may never see again especially within the next couple years. Way to go to get those shots. You never know. If we get a fleet of E40LFR's the CN Tower may become a popular short turn loop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 You never know. If we get a fleet of E40LFR's the CN Tower may become a popular short turn loop Thats exactly why i said within the next 2 years. And WE WILL! get a fleet of E40LFR's (James always keeps positive on this. no ifs ands or buts about it!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ode of Bund Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 OK, since I know some of you are continuously monitoring every movement of ETS, take a guess of when did the following event take place: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Walton Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 OK, since I know some of you are continuously monitoring every movement of ETS, take a guess of when did the following event take place: Don't know when, but I can guess what happened: 168's right pole lost its shoe. Are those shoes, or LRV pantograph contact bars, desinged to break away from the pole or pan if they get caught in the wire, rather than bring down the wires? It's not exactly used to deenergize the overhead... but rather to prevent the overhead from being energized accidentaly. All it does is create a short circuit should power be turned back on. This will then trip the breaker. My nickname for it is a "parasite". I would consider something like that a grounding (or "earthing") switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaintrolley Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Don't know when, but I can guess what happened: 168's right pole lost its shoe. Are those shoes, or LRV pantograph contact bars, desinged to break away from the pole or pan if they get caught in the wire, rather than bring down the wires? AFAIK the 'harps' or 'pans' are a fail-safe device of sorts that should break away rather than take down OH. Things don't always happen as they should. OK, since I know some of you are continuously monitoring every movement of ETS, take a guess of when did the following event take place: That was when Kelly had an 'incident' at the 95 Street LRT crossing just a few weeks ago. I can't remember the exact date. It should be in the T-E archives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted September 11, 2006 Board Admin Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 A bunch of random sightings today... Saw a Fishbowl at Northgate with what looked like just "78" above the door. Either that or a pole was in the way of a digit. But keep your eyes out for x78 or 78x missing a number above the front door! 233 on the route 140 today. 4096 on the route 135, and 173 on the route 5. Golden Arrow Blue Bird school bus #220 has LED brake and signal lights on the rear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ode of Bund Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 That was when Kelly had an 'incident' at the 95 Street LRT crossing just a few weeks ago. I can't remember the exact date. It should be in the T-E archives. That was on Labour Day, Monday, September 4th. When riding coach 148, power went dead after entering the circuitry north of 103rd on 95th Street, saw flashing lights on a ETS supervisory van. The van came to 148 and asked the driver when he would be relieved, driver told the supervisor that it was his last run, and would head for garage at Coliseum, so the supervisor began to push the trolley. When approaching the LRT track, became apparent that overhead detached from both hangars on a cross span, and 168 with one shoe missing, sitting dead just north of the track. Being pushed all the way to Norwood Blvd. , picking up passengers along the way, but none seen to notice that the bus was not driven under it's own power. Encountered southbound 124 sitting dead right in the middle of the intersection of 95/Norwood, since 148 was already traveling pretty fast under its own inertia, supervisor went to help 124 immediately. After rewiring, the trolley began to fly even though the driver wasn't late at all. I think for the remainder of that day, all 5's were dieselized. The power outage also affected the 3's, but only slightly, push was only needed from 95/112 to 96/Norwood, so trolleys kept running on the 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 A bit pre-emptive... Word has reached me that the demo hybrids will be at Mitchell today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaintrolley Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 A bit pre-emptive... Word has reached me that the hybrids will be at Mitchell today. In 'hybrid corner' ??? They are supposed to be trotted out for viewing on Friday at the U of A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 In 'hybrid corner' ??? They are supposed to be trotted out for viewing on Friday at the U of A. And Thursday at Jasper Place High School, and they should have been out last night at some chruch.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Yes they are at Michell today from 8-4 and i believe ferrier on wednesday 8-4 and westwood tomorrow 8-10 and like 2-430 or something like that. i cant remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Yes they are at Michell today from 8-4 and i believe ferrier on wednesday 8-4 and westwood tomorrow 8-10 and like 2-430 or something like that. i cant remember So it would seem that you can't remember... As Wednesday is tomorrow Unless they're spliting the two up and sending one to Westwood and one to Ferrier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Ok its been a rough day Mitchell Division Tuesday, Sept. 12, 2006 0800 - 1600 hrs Westwood Division Wednesday, Sept. 13, 2006 0800 -1000 hrs, 1230 - 1600 hrs Ferrier Division Friday, Sept. 15, 2006 0800 - 1600 hrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Marriott Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 I was riding the 3 by Mitchell, and saw the Hybrids so I bailed, and got some pictures. There's a DE40LF and an Orion 7 hybrid, both of which are demo buses. Both had plates for the US. I was shown the inside of the DE40LF by an ETS employee on site who saw me taking pictures. Some notes, the hybrids diesel engine is the same size as the one in a pickup truck, and apparently with our own DE40LF's, we will not be getting driver operator doors, but a technology similar to the hand waving rear doors on the LFS. A bit pre-emptive... Word has reached me that the demo hybrids will be at Mitchell today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted September 12, 2006 Board Admin Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Yeah, the Orion VII hybrids have a tiny Cummins ISB engine. The New Flyer DE40LF has a full size Cummins ISL engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted September 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 A bit pre-emptive... Word has reached me that the demo hybrids will be at Mitchell today. As others have reported, yep the 2 hybrids were indeed at Mitchell today. The Orion VII 07.501 #7000 in TTC like livery, and a New Flyer DE40LFR. I believe "mike from Edmonton" told me that both were usually US based demo's. The New Flyer unit is particularly interesting. It has frame less/ smooth side windows, kind of like some coaches have now. Looks sharp like that. While I do like the X40LFR style of bus, the side windows do seem out of place with the new style front and rear ends. In other spotting news... What looked like ETS #71 was sitting on a hoist in a transmission shop not far from Mitchell. Stumbled upon it while finding a spot to shoot hybrids. Strathcona #882 put in an appearance Downtown, so I shot it. Thanks to "mike from Edmonton" for the heads up on that one. The images included in this message may be removed in the near future when I put them up on my website. Near future could be as soon as this evening. Edit: Strathcona #905 was working a route 413. Guess those things are still around! Easily my first spotting in 6 months or more of 905-907. Images are as follows: Orion VII #7000 DE40LFR DE40LFR, better view of windows DE40LFR. Was shooting film as well, and film is more important to me than digital so was trying to do both at once... So... oops! Missed with that shot a bit. But, it shows the windows. DE40LFR rear Strathcona #882 ETS #71? at a private bussiness being worked on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted September 13, 2006 Board Admin Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 An interesting comment inside the OrioOn was something like: "The Lowest Emissions commercially produced bus in North America".Hmmm, and what pray chance does a trolley bus spew... That has some validity, because trolleys are zero emissions vehicles. I'm glad to see that we got the demo with frameless windows and not the one we got before, basically because I'm looking forward to seeing the interior on Friday (although I'm sure it is probably similar to the regular windows). Actually, I wonder if that's the same bus but refitted with the frameless windows! Will need to take a look at the VIN plate on this one. This picture on Kevin's Bus and Rail Page lists it as a DE40LF and DIESEL TRANSIT. I would assume this one should say DE40LFR, but I don't know what the bus type would be listed as. The DE40LF® demos we got differ from ETS's regular buses in terms of: - having the rear kneeling feature - seating - design - rear door operation and width - drivetrain (obviously) - Meritor axles instead of MAN Anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted September 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 That has some validity, because trolleys are zero emissions vehicles. I'm glad to see that we got the demo with frameless windows and not the one we got before, basically because I'm looking forward to seeing the interior on Friday (although I'm sure it is probably similar to the regular windows). Actually, I wonder if that's the same bus but refitted with the frameless windows! Will need to take a look at the VIN plate on this one. This picture on Kevin's Bus and Rail Page lists it as a DE40LF and DIESEL TRANSIT. I would assume this one should say DE40LFR, but I don't know what the bus type would be listed as. The DE40LF® demos we got differ from ETS's regular buses in terms of: - having the rear kneeling feature - seating - design - rear door operation and width - drivetrain (obviously) - Meritor axles instead of MAN Anything else? Me and Mike were discussing if it could be the same bus but with new windows. We don't think it is, but, yes, the builders plate will tell. For the time being, I'm listing it as a 2006 DE40LFR on Barp, under the assumption it is a different bus, was built in 2006 and of course falls under the new R designation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ode of Bund Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Can anyone tell me when and where can I see this Hybrid bus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Marriott Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 My shots of the hybrids from today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmontonguy Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Wow that New Flyer is a sweet looking bus. Other things of note: - caught a "University express" from West Edm Mall today, really just an operator running a not in service bus back to the University but taking some passengers with him. I believe it was 4273 and could have possibly been running a special to spruce grove, it had 196/197 route maps on the inside, anyone know any more info about university service from Spruce Grove? - New year, same issue, the 4 is overcrowded. The bus i caught home this evening was forced to run out of service for much of the route as there simply was no more room on the bus. An express routing to West Ed would be very helpful as at least 2/3 of the passengers boarding at the U end up traveling to West Ed, taking some ease off the 4 and speeding up the commute. Perhaps i just have to get used to sardine can busrides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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