Your wishlist of route changes, try to keep it realistic (The sequel)

[patrickst]

4 minutes ago, 5242 said:

I think the only problem with the 27 is that there’s no connecting roads after Old Mill Road besides Kingsway and Dundas. If they were to extend Woodhaven Heights, Mill Cove & Goverment Road, then they could probably consider implementing the route.

I mean, Home Smith Park Road is literally a park service road. 

If you wanted a route in that area, I would just have it run on Prince Edward.

[Mike]

20 minutes ago, 5242 said:

I 137 SPADINA NORTH:

A New route that travels North on Spadina Road from Spadina Station and serves Dupont Station before turning left onto Davenport Road then right onto  Walmer Road then right again onto Austin Terrace before turning left back onto Spadina Road and continues until Spadina Road ends at Eglinton before turning west onto Eglinton and would serve stops until turning into Eglinton West Station where it would terminate and it would go back the same way it came when going back south to Spadina Station.

TTC tried service around Casa Loma 1991-1992 (33 Forest Hill) and discontinued it due to low ridership.

[New Flyer]

138 Greenwood North. Goes north on Greenwood and loops left onto St Hubert Rd via Plains Rd. It then turns left on Cosburn and returns to Greenwood.

[5242]

140 ROSEDALE SOUTH:

Heads west out of Rosedale station then  goes south on Yonge Street before turning east onto Aylmer Avenue then merged into Rosedale Valley Roads then continues until the road ends then goes south on Bayview Avenue before turning onto River Street and he as a south until turning west back onto Bayview before turning west onto Front Street East then south on Tannery Road then East on Mill Road before going north on Bayview Avenue and terminating at the Corktown Common and will head back the same way it came from when going north to Rosedale Station.

[Mike]

22 minutes ago, 5242 said:

140 ROSEDALE SOUTH:

Heads west out of Rosedale station then  goes south on Yonge Street before turning east onto Aylmer Avenue then merged into Rosedale Valley Roads then continues until the road ends then goes south on Bayview Avenue before turning onto River Street and he as a south until turning west back onto Bayview before turning west onto Front Street East then south on Tannery Road then East on Mill Road before going north on Bayview Avenue and terminating at the Corktown Common and will head back the same way it came from when going north to Rosedale Station.

Bayview is one way south so can’t go north on Bayview from Mill rd. Also Mill is one way west so can’t turn from Tannery toward Bayview.

1 hour ago, New Flyer said:

138 Greenwood North. Goes north on Greenwood and loops left onto St Hubert Rd via Plains Rd. It then turns left on Cosburn and returns to Greenwood.

Out of curiosity, why not have it go all the way to O’Connor?  Also, would a loop in the opposite direction be easier so that you don’t need a left turn onto Cosburn where there is no traffic light?

[TransitFan88]

1 hour ago, Mike said:

Bayview is one way south so can’t go north on Bayview from Mill rd. Also Mill is one way west so can’t turn from Tannery toward Bayview.

This has got to be one of the finest examples of pandering to cyclists. They took away an entire direction for two bike lanes (add a third south of King) when the Lower Don River Trail parallels Bayview on its east side.

[Mike]

2 hours ago, 5242 said:

140 ROSEDALE SOUTH:

Heads west out of Rosedale station then  goes south on Yonge Street before turning east onto Aylmer Avenue then merged into Rosedale Valley Roads then continues until the road ends then goes south on Bayview Avenue before turning onto River Street and he as a south until turning west back onto Bayview before turning west onto Front Street East then south on Tannery Road then East on Mill Road before going north on Bayview Avenue and terminating at the Corktown Common and will head back the same way it came from when going north to Rosedale Station.

Another question for this route is are there people that need to go to the south end of the route from Rosedale?  Or would the south part of the route be better served with a connection to Line 2?  

[FlyerD901]

3 hours ago, TransitFan88 said:

This has got to be one of the finest examples of pandering to cyclists. They took away an entire direction for two bike lanes (add a third south of King) when the Lower Don River Trail parallels Bayview on its east side.

The whole city. It's cycling extremist taking over 

[Xtrazsteve]

Many of these routes being proposed here are pure fantasy. Most aren’t realistically sustainable.

I don’t think the 121 is performing well on River either.  The old 172 via Esplanade to Cherry beach is probably the best routing. I won’t be surprised if they discontinue the current 121. 

 

[MorningsideExpress]

1 hour ago, FlyerD901 said:

The whole city. It's cycling extremist taking over 

Wonder if there is any compromise on at least allowing a shared lane for buses and bikes northbound on Bayview. I do like the idea of either extending route 28 to Distillery, adding a branch of the 114 or a new 200 series route that could connect both Distillery and Evergreen Brickworks. 

[New Flyer]

23 hours ago, Mike said:

Out of curiosity, why not have it go all the way to O’Connor?  Also, would a loop in the opposite direction be easier so that you don’t need a left turn onto Cosburn where there is no traffic light?

Honestly, Greenwood is too much of a residential street north of Cosburn that there’s just not enough demand for a route. There’s also no yellow line in the middle of the road splitting directions. Plus, on that portion, street parking is permitted. A loop in the opposite direction might make more sense, especially because of the left turn on Cosburn from St Hubert.

[Kumiko Oumae]

TTC has not operated bus service on Pharmacy Avenue on Saturday evenings and all day Sundays at all since 2011. To do so, they should revive the 67B PHARMACY to Steeles taking the place of the 167 when it's not in operation on said periods.  Branch letters would have to be rearranged such as the 67B to Eglinton back to 67A and 67A to Ellesmere as 67C.

Or better yet, create a branch of the 24 VICTORIA PARK where buses, known as the 24C, operate on the normal route from Victoria Park Station to Steeles via Victoria Park, Sheppard and Pharmacy. As I said, the 24C operates after 7pm Saturdays and all day Sundays taking the place of the 167.

[Gil]

Thought I'd cross-post with an updated map since the September 2024 Service Changes have kicked in for the 141 NORTH QUEEN-NORSEMAN from the other thread that had segued into proposals.

It does just miss the two high schools on Royal York.  Would it be possible/realistic to interline this with the 15 EVANS to form a loop between Royal York Stn. and Sherway Gardens?

Edited September 4, 2024 by Gil
Typo: 141 instead of 114

[5242]

13 minutes ago, Gil said:

Thought I'd cross-post with an updated map since the September 2024 Service Changes have kicked in for the 114 NORTH QUEEN-NORSEMAN from the other thread that had segued into proposals.

It does just miss the two high schools on Royal York.  Would it be possible/realistic to interline this with the 15 EVANS to form a loop between Royal York Stn. and Sherway Gardens?

It says "141" on the map instead of 114.

[New Flyer]

24 minutes ago, Gil said:

Thought I'd cross-post with an updated map since the September 2024 Service Changes have kicked in for the 114 NORTH QUEEN-NORSEMAN from the other thread that had segued into proposals.

It does just miss the two high schools on Royal York.  Would it be possible/realistic to interline this with the 15 EVANS to form a loop between Royal York Stn. and Sherway Gardens?

It would make more sense for this to operate out of Kipling and it loops where 76C loops. The North Queen part can operate out of Islington via Jutland, since there is a massive elementary/middle school that was just rebuilt that opened at that intersection. It can be 137 Jutland-North Queen, as a nudge to the 37 Islington operating out of the same station.

[Gil]

29 minutes ago, 5242 said:

It says "141" on the map instead of 114.

Oops, I've edited the original text.  The 114 has already been assigned to QUEENS QUAY EAST.  It was an homage to the former 121 NORSEMAN route.

17 minutes ago, New Flyer said:

It would make more sense for this to operate out of Kipling and it loops where 76C loops. The North Queen part can operate out of Islington via Jutland, since there is a massive elementary/middle school that was just rebuilt that opened at that intersection. It can be 137 Jutland-North Queen, as a nudge to the 37 Islington operating out of the same station.

Will there be enough bays at the redeveloped Islington station to handle an additional route?  Perhaps if the TTC hands off the 50 BURNHAMTHORPE to MiWay.  I don't know how many of the students from the elementary schools (the ones in the Catholic board run from K-8) will be coming from the west along Jutland as it is industrial.  The school was rebuilt to accommodate all of the condos around Kipling and Islington stations are the students are bused to school.  As posted in the other thread, there has been service along Norseman in the past during the mid-80's, so it's not unprecedented for the neighbourhood.  Norseman is also the only street to run continuously between Kipling and Royal York serving as a mid-block connector between Bloor and the Queensway.  If you really wanted service on Jutland, I suppose you could split the route and have one branch remain on Norseman while another takes Jutland between Kipling and Islington.

[New Flyer]

1 hour ago, Gil said:

Oops, I've edited the original text.  The 114 has already been assigned to QUEENS QUAY EAST.  It was an homage to the former 121 NORSEMAN route.

Will there be enough bays at the redeveloped Islington station to handle an additional route?  Perhaps if the TTC hands off the 50 BURNHAMTHORPE to MiWay.  I don't know how many of the students from the elementary schools (the ones in the Catholic board run from K-8) will be coming from the west along Jutland as it is industrial.  The school was rebuilt to accommodate all of the condos around Kipling and Islington stations are the students are bused to school.  As posted in the other thread, there has been service along Norseman in the past during the mid-80's, so it's not unprecedented for the neighbourhood.  Norseman is also the only street to run continuously between Kipling and Royal York serving as a mid-block connector between Bloor and the Queensway.  If you really wanted service on Jutland, I suppose you could split the route and have one branch remain on Norseman while another takes Jutland between Kipling and Islington.

The main purpose of the Jutland section is for the students to have a direct connection to Islington or Sherway, to relieve the pressure of the 110, which gets to the point that it has to skip stops going northbound because there’s simply no room. The 50 and the 137 can share a bay, as the existing plan is for 5 bays with one to be designated as a Wheel-Trans bay. If 37/937 use two bays, 110 uses another bay (if the 40 ends up going to Islington, which according to TTC’s website, it connects to the station, it would share a bay with the 110) and the last bay can be 50/137.

[Ed T.]

15 hours ago, Gil said:

Thought I'd cross-post with an updated map since the September 2024 Service Changes have kicked in for the 141 NORTH QUEEN-NORSEMAN from the other thread that had segued into proposals.

It does just miss the two high schools on Royal York.  Would it be possible/realistic to interline this with the 15 EVANS to form a loop between Royal York Stn. and Sherway Gardens?

Norseman means "north man", and North Queen would be a (particular) north woman. So to be inclusive and simplify the name, I propose 141 NORTH PERSONS INDIVIDUALS.

Unfortunately the route still falls afoul of congestion on Royal York. I've seen three or four buses in a long lineup northbound at Bloor in the midafternoon.

12 hours ago, New Flyer said:

The main purpose of the Jutland section is for the students to have a direct connection to Islington or Sherway, to relieve the pressure of the 110, which gets to the point that it has to skip stops going northbound because there’s simply no room. The 50 and the 137 can share a bay, as the existing plan is for 5 bays with one to be designated as a Wheel-Trans bay. If 37/937 use two bays, 110 uses another bay (if the 40 ends up going to Islington, which according to TTC’s website, it connects to the station, it would share a bay with the 110) and the last bay can be 50/137.

Yes, the 110 can be a real crush load north of The Queensway. You'd want better service, except the buses do mostly empty out south of Evans; certainly the Horner-bound branches do. This does more suggest a 110D from Islington, looping via Jutland and Titan.

[Kumiko Oumae]

23 hours ago, New Flyer said:

The main purpose of the Jutland section is for the students to have a direct connection to Islington or Sherway, to relieve the pressure of the 110, which gets to the point that it has to skip stops going northbound because there’s simply no room. The 50 and the 137 can share a bay, as the existing plan is for 5 bays with one to be designated as a Wheel-Trans bay. If 37/937 use two bays, 110 uses another bay (if the 40 ends up going to Islington, which according to TTC’s website, it connects to the station, it would share a bay with the 110) and the last bay can be 50/137.

My turn!

To keep the schedules and routing the same, TTC should undergo a branch rebrand for identification.

- 43B KENNEDY -> 143 PROGRESS*
- 84D SHEPPARD WEST -> 146 OAKDALE**
- 86D SCARBOROUGH -> 186 MANSE VALLEY
- 110A/B ISLINGTON SOUTH -> 138 HORNER***

* - This would mean the 134 PROGRESS will restore to its old 134 TAPSCOTT name used from 1985-2001.

** - The 146 number was chosen as a nod to the former 116 OAKDALE bus that existed from 1982 to 1987.

*** - If they want, they could renumber the 38 HIGHLAND CREEK bus to 195 and 38 is assigned to HORNER again.

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Bringing back the BAYVIEW NORTH bus. The route follows the 26 routing running from Sheppard-Yonge Station east on Sheppard and north on Bayview to Steeles Loop, this will be numbered route 181 BAYVIEW NORTH and 11 BAYVIEW cut back to Bayview Station.

 

[MorningsideExpress]

DRT route numbering and signage re-structuring proposal.

Doing away with the 3-digit route numbers divided by municipality and have one consolidated structure, but maintaining the PULSE numbers and overnight route numbers. I'd also like to see DRT using the two line destination sign format. 

 

Current >> New 

101 >> 1 BAY RIDGES - INDUSTRIAL.

112 >> 12 BROCK ROAD VIA LIVERPOOL and VALLEY FARM

112C >>   12C BROCK ROAD TO SEATON VILLAGE  VIA LIVERPOOL and VALLEY FARM

118 >> 18 WHITES

121 >> 21 FINCH - WEST SHORE

121B >> 21A/B FINCH - BAYLY

211 >> 11 PICKERING VILLAGE

216 >> 16 HARWOOD

224 >> 24 SALEM

227 >> 27 DUFFINS - SHOAL POINT

301 >> 31 MCQUAY - COUNTRY LANE

302 >> 32 BROCK STREET -  BALDWIN VIA CARNWITH

319 >> 19 GARDEN - HOPKINS

392 >> 39 WHITBY SHORES

403 >> 3 SOUTH OSHAWA VIA WENTWORTH AND THICKSON

403B >> 3B SOUTH OSHAWA TO PHILLIP MURRAY AND CEDAR

405 >> 5 ADELAIDE - WILSON

407 >> 7 RITSON

407A >> 7A RITSON TO COLONEL SAM

407C >> 7C RITSON VIA NONQUON

409 >> 9 GARRARD

409C >> 9C GARRARD VIA GLEN HILL

410 >> 10 OLIVE - HARMONY VIA GRANDVIEW

411 >> 11  BLOOR 

419 >> 49 CONLIN - BRITANNIA

421 >> 11B BLOOR TO OSHAWA GO

421A >> 11A BLOOR VIA OSHAWA CENTRE TERMINAL AND COLONEL SAM

502 >> 52 BOWMANVILLE LOCAL

507 >> 57 ORONO - NEWCASTLE

605 >> 65 UXBRIDGE LOCAL

905 >> 95 THICKSON

905C >> 95C THICKSON TO UXBRIDGE VIA PORT PERRY

917 >> 17 BAYLY - WHITBY CAMPUS 

NEW ROUTES:

6 DUNDAS-KING - local service between White Oaks and Newcastle. every 30 minutes 5am-1am daily

13 KINGSTON - local service between Altona and White Oaks every 30  minutes 5am-1am daily

15 TAUNTON - local service between Ajax GO and Harmony Road. every 30 minutes 5am - 11pm daily

28 ROSSLAND - local service between Pickering Parkway and Harmony Road. every 30 minutes 5am-1am, daily

41 SIMCOE - local service between Windfields and Lakeview Park. every 30 minutes. 5am-1am daily

900 PULSE EXPRESS SERVICE: HWY 2 WEST - 10 minute peak/30 minute off peak

STC <> MEADOWVALE <> PORT UNION <> WHITES <> GLENANNA <> CHURCH <> WESTNEY <> HARWOOD <> WHITE OAKS <> BROCK STREET <> THICKSON ROAD <>
STEVENSON <> SIMCOE/CENTRE <> RITSON

901 PULSE EXPRESS SERVICE: SIMCOE STREET - 10 minute peak/30 minute off peak

WINDFIELDS FARM <> NORTH CAMPUS LOOP <> TAUNTON <> ROSSLAND <> KING/BOND <> BLOOR <> OSHAWA GO

902 PULSE EXPRESS SERVICE: KING EAST- every 30 minutes. 6am 11pm, daily. 

OSHAWA CENTRE TERMINAL <> SIMCOE/CENTRE <> RITSON <> HARMONY <> TOWNLINE <> COURTICE ROAD <> BOWMANVILLE PARK AND RIDE <> DIVISION <> 
LAKERIDGE HEALTH BOWMANVILLE. 

915 PULSE EXPRESS SERVICE: TAUNTON/WESTNEY - every 15 minutes, 6am-11pm

AJAX GO <> KINGSTON <> ROSSLAND <> WILLIAMSON <> SALEM <> BROCK STREET <> THICKSON <> SIMCOE <> RITSON <> HARMONY916 PULSE EXPRESS SERVICE: ROSSLAND/BROCK ROAD - every 30 minutes, 6am - 7pm 

916 PULSE EXPRESS SERVICE: BROCK ROAD/ROSSLAND - every 30 minutes peak service

PICKERING PARKWAY <> GLENANNA <> FINCH <> DELLBROOK <> CHURCH <> WESTNEY <> HARWOOD <> COUNTRY LANE <> BROCK STREET <> THICKSON <>
STEVENSON ROAD <> SIMCOE <> RITSON <> TERRACE <> WILSON <> BEATRICE <> HARMONY

920 PULSE EXPRESS SERVICE:  SCARBOROUGH-HARMONY TERMINAL. every 30 minutes peak service

SCARBOROUGH CENTRE <> CENTENNIAL COLLEGE <> MORNINGSIDE <> PORT UNION <> WHITES <> GLENANNA <> CHURCH <> WESTNEY <> HARWOOD <>
KERRISON <> COUNTRY LANE <> BROCK STREET <> DRYDEN <> TAUNTON <> THICKSON/CONLIN <> SIMCOE <> RTISON <> HARMONY TERMINAL

921 PULSE EXPRESS SERVICE: WHITE OAKS VIA HIGHWAY 401. every 60 minutes peak service 

SCARBOROUGH CENTRE <>  RITCHIE/CHAPMAN <> HARWOOD/KINGSTON <> SALEM <> WICKS <> AUDLEY <> DES NEWMAN <> WHITE OAKS. 

 

[5242]

973 ROYAL YORK EXPRESS:

A new route that runs north from Royal York station that mimics the 73 just running express only stopping at major roads and merged onto Weston road following the 989 all the way to Steeles and terminating in the same spot as the 989.

Another proposal is to run the 973 from Royal York and Lakeshore to Steeles via Royal York Station and the same thing going south.

153 JARVIS:

Runs north from Jarvis and Queens Quay to Bloor when it merges into Mount Pleasant Road before turning west onto Roxborough Street East then South on Cluny Drive then west on Crescent Road before turning into Rosedale Station and going the same way south.

[Yaro9728]

1 hour ago, 5242 said:

973 ROYAL YORK EXPRESS:

A new route that runs north from Royal York station that mimics the 73 just running express only stopping at major roads and merged onto Weston road following the 989 all the way to Steeles and terminating in the same spot as the 989.

Another proposal is to run the 973 from Royal York and Lakeshore to Steeles via Royal York Station and the same thing going south.

153 JARVIS:

Runs north from Jarvis and Queens Quay to Bloor when it merges into Mount Pleasant Road before turning west onto Roxborough Street East then South on Cluny Drive then west on Crescent Road before turning into Rosedale Station and going the same way south.

I have had the idea of 973 Royal York Express since 2020. As a frequent customer of 73 Royal York, I see that express variation would strongly supplement the existing service.

[Mike]

3 hours ago, 5242 said:

153 JARVIS:

Runs north from Jarvis and Queens Quay to Bloor when it merges into Mount Pleasant Road before turning west onto Roxborough Street East then South on Cluny Drive then west on Crescent Road before turning into Rosedale Station and going the same way south.

One problem with your route  it’s not physically possible to turn west onto Roxborough from Mt Pleasant.

[5242]

51 Leslie:

Extend the 51 to steeles via Leslie Street where it would run north past the intersection before turning left into a newly constructed bus loop before going south. The route can also be divided into branches; a 51A branch that will run from Eglinton Station to Steeles via Leslie Station, a 51B Branch that will run from Eglinton Station to a newly constructed bus terminal at Old Cummer GO Station via Leslie Station and a 51S Leslie Short Turn branch that will just run from Eglinton - Leslie Stations mimicking the current 51.

 

951 LESLIE EXPRESS:

A new route that mimics the 51 and will terminate at steeles with the 51.

[New Flyer]

9 hours ago, Yaro9728 said:

I have had the idea of 973 Royal York Express since 2020. As a frequent customer of 73 Royal York, I see that express variation would strongly supplement the existing service.

Or they could just make the 73 a Ten Minute Network as well as the 37B and 110C.