kellergraham Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 (edited) The STM held a Pre-Consultation today at Saint-Laurent Borough hall... Here are the highlights: - In order to complete the mandate of the PQTC* two new Centre de transports need to be opened - This pre-consultation dealt with the first one (named CT Stinson^) - Had to be within the limits of Decarie, Cote-Vertu, Sauve and Jean-Talon - Equidistant from other CTs - Easy access to arterial roads - The second one should open in 2016/2017 - It's location hasn't yet been determined - Buses will deadhead on Stinson, Cote-de-Liesse and Marcel Laurin (or at times Ste-Croix) to access Cote-Vertu metro station - No deadhead traffic on Hodge, and very little deadhead traffic on Ste-Croix during peak hours Features - Location: Montpellier and Stinson - Capacity will be 300 buses = 200 40ft buses and 100 articluated buses - 800,000 square feet - 800 employees of which 650 will be bus drivers - All bus parking will be inside - no buses will be stored outside - LEED Accreditation - The who project is "green" which takes into account tougher laws for greenhouse emissions in 2010 (Quebec's laws are now as tough as California's) - Will be built from materials gathered during the deconstruction (and not demolition) of three existing buildings. - Less than 20% of the space will be used for parking - CT Stinson is scheduled to open in 2012 Neighborhood Development - A pedestrian/bicycle path will link both Montpellier streets via a level crossing of the CN line - They will also build a small publicly accessible park The following bus routes would run out of this garage: 17 Decarie 72 Alfred-Nobel 76 MacArthur (sic) 100 Crémazie 117 O'Brien 121 Sauvé/Cote-Vertu 124 Victoria 128 Ville-Saint-Laurent 171 Henri-Bourassa 214 Des Sources 460 Métropolitaine They also mentioned the capacities of today's CTs 320 Legendre 291 Lasalle 262 Anjou 255 Saint-Laurent 178 Saint- Denis 152 Frontenac 140 Mont-Royal - After the second CT is built, they're talk of shutting down Mont-Royal The didn't allow us to have the PowerPoint Presentation. I was able to snap this photo with my iPhone as I left: Alex * PQTC - Politique Quebecoise de transport Collectif Government of Quebec's policy to increase ridership by 8% by increasing service 16% by 2012 ^ As with all projected projects, official names may change over the course of the project Edited November 30, 2011 by SMS Had to change the opening date which was originally 2012... Doah! -SMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general682002 Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Another garage build. Where abouts is the location? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMS Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Montpellier and Stinson, SW of CN East Junction (the meeting of CN St Laurent sub and CN Deux Montagnes sub) My comments to follow later... this will be our first expansion garage in many years (our answer to Mount Dennis, if you wish the comparison). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProchaineStation Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Sounds like a great project. Do they have any rounding costs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellergraham Posted January 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Another garage build. Where abouts is the location? Sorry, I forgot to add that... I've modified the original post and added a link to a Google Map. Do they have any rounding costs? Unless I didn't catch it, they didn't say anything about price. Although today's announcement of a 40 million dollar deficit won't help the project Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerbil Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 This is the exact spot, I think. http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&am...12,8.2,,0,-4.01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellergraham Posted January 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 This is the exact spot, I think.http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&am...12,8.2,,0,-4.01 No, that's too far South and Looking East. Look at the picture I posted in the original post. It's on the north side of Stinson. This would be the Google Street View. The closest current bus stop is 55794. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMS Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 I had hoped to learn a lot from this meeting, but only the vague minimum details were mentioned. The consultants didn't appear to be able to answer the simplest questions (such as the height of the actual building) and seemed uncomfortable and out of place. Everybody except the borough mayor seemed like they did not want to be there. Questions were answered with some degree of contempt, and my presence was even questioned as I am not a resident of Saint-Laurent (even though my journey forces me to travel through this borough every working day). The real gong show aspect of it all was the fact that the local community was up in arms about this project. Never mind the fact that the STM has decided to go through with the project (once they get an idea in their heads...). Picture that kellergraham and I are the youngest people in the audience. You have all these old codgers whining and complaining about traffic in spite of the fact that the deadheads will not use residential roads. They are complaining about the noise of buses (I guess they remember the sounds of Macks and Old Looks and New Looks and older garbage compared to the relatively quiet new LFS buses). They worry about noise pollution and even pedestrian traffic on Boul. Montpellier between CT Stinson and Boul. Cote-Vertu which -horror! scandal!- will quintuple. This is my first real experience seeing urban NIMBYism and I have to say that I'm gorram disgusted. All these old farts fucked up our planet driving guzzlers in the 60s and 70s. It is our turn to shine, young people, and we want transit, we need transit, and these old basterds are gonna deny us our buses? I don't think so pally! By the time the garage is built, half of these guys will be dead! At least I hope so! They're worried about large scale bus exits and entrances too depending on the time of day. Christ, by the time of the big bus entrance for the end of the evening around 11 pm - 1 am, they'll be drooling in their sleep/wetting their beds! I have no stomach for NIMBYism when they don't have a foot to stand on. And whereas I do not personally care for the STM PRopaganda project with their chevrons and new font, nothing that they're doing is so bad to justify such community resentment. I don't think that the STM is being a bad neighbour here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMS Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Today, in Info STM, there is now confirmation that CT Stinson will be built and open for Fall 2013 http://stm.info/info/infostm/2011/111129.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyA Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Today, in Info STM, there is now confirmation that CT Stinson will be built and open for Fall 2013http://stm.info/info/infostm/2011/111129.pdf There was an article about it in the Gazette today. Hopefully it will mean artics finally start to have a presence in the West Island! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMS Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 For the west I only foresee 470. I predict that this new garage will handle 105 Sherbrooke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stm_5307N Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 We recently found out the confirmed routes that will be operating out of the new Stinson garage which are the following: 80 Du Parc (Articulated bus service) 103 Monkland 105 Sherbrooke 124 Victoria 128 Ville St Laurent 162 Westminster 165 Cote des Neiges (Articulated bus service) 175 Griffin/St Francois 213 Parc Industriel Saint Laurent 371 Decarie (Night bus) 435 Express Du Parc/Cote des Neiges (Articulated bus service) 470 Express Pierrefond (Articulated bus service) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAX BRT Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 I had hoped to learn a lot from this meeting, but only the vague minimum details were mentioned. The consultants didn't appear to be able to answer the simplest questions (such as the height of the actual building) and seemed uncomfortable and out of place. Everybody except the borough mayor seemed like they did not want to be there. Questions were answered with some degree of contempt, and my presence was even questioned as I am not a resident of Saint-Laurent (even though my journey forces me to travel through this borough every working day). The real gong show aspect of it all was the fact that the local community was up in arms about this project. Never mind the fact that the STM has decided to go through with the project (once they get an idea in their heads...). Picture that kellergraham and I are the youngest people in the audience. You have all these old codgers whining and complaining about traffic in spite of the fact that the deadheads will not use residential roads. They are complaining about the noise of buses (I guess they remember the sounds of Macks and Old Looks and New Looks and older garbage compared to the relatively quiet new LFS buses). They worry about noise pollution and even pedestrian traffic on Boul. Montpellier between CT Stinson and Boul. Cote-Vertu which -horror! scandal!- will quintuple. This is my first real experience seeing urban NIMBYism and I have to say that I'm gorram disgusted. All these old farts fucked up our planet driving guzzlers in the 60s and 70s. It is our turn to shine, young people, and we want transit, we need transit, and these old basterds are gonna deny us our buses? I don't think so pally! By the time the garage is built, half of these guys will be dead! At least I hope so! They're worried about large scale bus exits and entrances too depending on the time of day. Christ, by the time of the big bus entrance for the end of the evening around 11 pm - 1 am, they'll be drooling in their sleep/wetting their beds! I have no stomach for NIMBYism when they don't have a foot to stand on. And whereas I do not personally care for the STM PRopaganda project with their chevrons and new font, nothing that they're doing is so bad to justify such community resentment. I don't think that the STM is being a bad neighbour here. Thank you! We want transit, we need transit, and we need to fight for it. Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMS Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 They are missing a great opportunity to run articulateds on the 105 Sherbrooke. With luck, this will one day happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novalfs26001 Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 We recently found out the confirmed routes that will be operating out of the new Stinson garage which are the following: 80 Du Parc (Articulated bus service) 103 Monkland 105 Sherbrooke 124 Victoria 128 Ville St Laurent 162 Westminster 165 Cote des Neiges (Articulated bus service) 175 Griffin/St Francois 213 Parc Industriel Saint Laurent 371 Decarie (Night bus) 435 Express Du Parc/Cote des Neiges (Articulated bus service) 470 Express Pierrefond (Articulated bus service) Thanks for that info It was all rumours until now, nice to see some realistic info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Demers Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 We recently found out the confirmed routes that will be operating out of the new Stinson garage which are the following: 80 Du Parc (Articulated bus service) 103 Monkland 105 Sherbrooke 124 Victoria 128 Ville St Laurent 162 Westminster 165 Cote des Neiges (Articulated bus service) 175 Griffin/St Francois 213 Parc Industriel Saint Laurent 371 Decarie (Night bus) 435 Express Du Parc/Cote des Neiges (Articulated bus service) 470 Express Pierrefond (Articulated bus service) I feel the 103 and 162 should not be theirs. Instead, why not take the 16 and 100? If they take the 124 and 128 which are routes that are closeby running near the place, they can take these 2 as well imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMS Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 So much for them running the 409 née 214 out of Stinson. See kellergraham's first post in this thread to see how they have optimised the routes for the most efficiency. The 16 was never planned to operate out of Stinson. The 100 seems to run efficiently out of Legendre, but there can always be extras from Stinson. I am happy to see the 103 and 162 run out of the new division, what an inconvenient and long cushion for LaSalle drivers to get to Villa-Maria! This has a precedent when most NDG routes were operated out of Garage Namur until 1995. BTW our source is an official document posted at Legendre, which we saw at our official visit during the BHA convention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_the_traveller Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 When I rode the DM train I got a decent view of CT Stinson. It looks like a beautiful facility! I hope the STM opens this up to the public someday in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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