2044 Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 Pending approval, the MTA will be purchasing 90 EPA 2010-compliant diesel Nova LFS buses. The order is estimated at $40,454,918, and will be used as a testbed for the Nova LFS in new York. Therefore, they will be ordered in three configurations: • 60 buses will have a standard configuration with an Allison transmission, Thermo King HVAC, sealed beam headlights, and hydraulic engine cooling system. • 15 buses will use the ZF transmission, Carrier HVAC, sealed beam headlights, and hydraulic engine cooling system. • 15 buses will uses the Allison transmission, Thermo King HVAC, LED headlights, and electric engine cooling system. Monday, October 25, 2010 -- MTA Bus Operations Committee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLy Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 I wonder why they chose all 3 transmission options? Anyways, that was some interesting news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2044 Posted October 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 I wonder why they chose all 3 transmission options? Anyways, that was some interesting news! They only spec'd two transmission models and it's to test out what's best for new York like it states in the document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLy Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 They only spec'd two transmission models and it's to test out what's best for new York like it states in the document. I'm sure they'll stick with Allison, because the new ZF EcoLife is not that good for some reasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
septa105R5/seClip9 Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 I wonder why they gone back to ordering straight diesel after the past 6 years or so when they build up their fleets with hybrids. After large order with Orion in the past years since 2000 and so, and after a the last 40 ft RTS recieved in 1999, NovaBus gets their chance for this contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. McConnell Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Those LED headlights should be interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
323 Surrey Ctrl Stn Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 This is very interesting. After all those years of ordering Orion VII's they go to Nova with the artics, then to New Flyer for CNG's, and back to Nova for diesels. Smart move in a way, keeps all the companies hungry for the business. Chris Cassidy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted October 23, 2010 Board Admin Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 I wonder why they chose all 3 transmission options? Anyways, that was some interesting news! They only spec'd two transmission models and it's to test out what's best for new York like it states in the document. Isn't that what demo buses are for? I still don't get the logic behind it. I have trouble understanding why ETS purchased 3 different types of hybrids, only to end up not ordering any in the future. Just skyrockets costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Isn't that what demo buses are for? I still don't get the logic behind it.I have trouble understanding why ETS purchased 3 different types of hybrids, only to end up not ordering any in the future. Just skyrockets costs. There were rumors on the NYC board about this with 90 each of New Flyer , Orion and Nova buses each for NYC they will be bought and tested the out come of these test should get the next future 4-5 year MTA order http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/sho...2138&page=9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Intersting indeed. I wish TTC would do the same! Cannot wait to see the 3rd Gen's in MTA livery though. Orion certainly has alot of work to do in order to win back one of their top customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Intersting indeed. I wish TTC would do the same! Cannot wait to see the 3rd Gen's in MTA livery though. Orion certainly has alot of work to do in order to win back one of their top customers. There should soon also be an order for 90 VII 3G for MTA soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 There should soon also be an order for 90 VII 3G for MTA soon These buses, unlike the past 852-bus order, should be for straight diesel units...the MTA apparently isn't interested in hybrids anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 These buses, unlike the past 852-bus order, should be for straight diesel units...the MTA apparently isn't interested in hybrids anymore. yes straight diesels as will the 90 D40LFR's will be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
septa105R5/seClip9 Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 These buses, unlike the past 852-bus order, should be for straight diesel units...the MTA apparently isn't interested in hybrids anymore. It is not really worth ordering more of them since this vehicle is an expensive technology with enviromental features and the fuel milelage is only a few miles more than regular buses. So that's why they're not order more of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wchu94 Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 yes straight diesels as will the 90 D40LFR's will be Where did you get that info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQ RIDE Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 Perhaps if MTA wants to revisit hybrids, they should go with an Allison EP40 parallel hybrid system rather than a BAe HybriDrive series hybrid system. The Allison EP40 is more readily supported by the industry, so parts and maintenance should cost less than the BAe HybriDrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 Where did you get that info? check out the NYC transit forum board, more details of this order should be out next week http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/sho...994&page=89 Perhaps if MTA wants to revisit hybrids, they should go with an Allison EP40 parallel hybrid system rather than a BAe HybriDrive series hybrid system. The Allison EP40 is more readily supported by the industry, so parts and maintenance should cost less than the BAe HybriDrive. from all the NYC talk, rumor has it that the MTA isnt intrested in ordering any more Hybrids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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