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  1. Valley Metro (Phoenix)

    Now that I come to think about it, these might be for the I-17 and SR 51 Rapid routes. Since those Rapid routes are North Division routes and North has no artics (which from what I read the reason is due to the yard being incapable of fueling artics), those Rapid routes would be a natural fit.
  2. Valley Metro (Phoenix)

    How many of the 2001 (2002?) NABIs are left? I know at the time that the Phoenix Gillig buses entered service, there were 25 1998 and 34 1999 NABIs, all of which have since been retired (the 1998s in October 2016 and the 1999s in May 2017). Perhaps 91 of them may be used to replace the 2001 NABIs, while the options may replace some of the 2007 D40LFs. It still doesn't look like there will be enough buses to replace the 2007 D40LFs though. It does appear that Phoenix will be increasing the size of their artic fleet, so perhaps some may be replaced by XD60s.
  3. Valley Metro (Phoenix)

    Interesting, only 15 XN40s. It makes me wonder what will replace the 2007 New Flyer D40LFs, which there are 96 in the fleet.
  4. Valley Metro (Phoenix)

    Does anyone know what are the plans on the Phoenix side for the next contract with New Flyer? I presume Phoenix may get mostly diesels from this contract, since most buses that will be replaced will be diesel buses. I presume what Phoenix will be replacing in this contract include the 2007 D40LFs and 2008 D60LFs, and any other buses that Phoenix orders from this contract will be for service expansion. However, the mystery is what will be done with the 2007 D60LFs. The City of Phoenix has exercised 20 options from its previous contract with New Flyer for 20 additional XD60s. Are there still any 2004 D60LFs in service? There are 30 2007 D60LFs, so that order won't be enough to replace the entire fleet. If there are still some 2004 D60LFs in service, the 20 additional D60LFs that were ordered may replace the remaining 2004s and be used for service expansion, and the replacements for the 2007 D60LFs will be ordered from the next contract. The replacements for the 2007s may also be split between both contracts.
  5. Valley Metro (Phoenix)

    Actually, Wikipedia shows 6750-6759, which means there are 10 Gilligs. I need to update the CPTDB wiki, but hadn't had much time. Not sure about Scottsdale. I actually read that Scottsdale will be switching to CNG. Initially they will be fueled at the First Transit facility in Tempe, but eventually the Dunn Transportation/Ollie the Trolley yard will be retrofitted for CNG fueling capability.
  6. Valley Metro (Phoenix)

    From what I was told, it has a Voith transmission. Also, is it at Mesa or Tempe? EDIT: Just got confirmation that it is in Mesa. Now I wonder which garage will the next batch of Gilligs operate from. While they will be replacing the 2006 New Flyer C40LFRs which are at Mesa, I would actually think it would make more sense to put them at Tempe and move all the 2008 and 2009 New Flyer C40LFRs to Mesa, since there are currently only 15 Gilligs in the RPTA fleet and they are at Tempe. That way a similar fleet can be consolidated at a single garage, saving on maintenance costs.
  7. Valley Metro (Phoenix)

    That makes sense. However, when including the replacements for 6648-6668 (2009 C40LFR) and 6669-6675 (2010 L40LFR), that leaves 42 more buses ordered (not including options). Where the total seems to add up is if the replacement includes Tempe's 2011 C40LFRs and the RPTA's 2012 Express C40LFRs, which totals exactly 121 buses, however, the latter won't be 12 years old within the contract range and I don't think they will have enough mileage since they sit in the yard most of the day.
  8. Valley Metro (Phoenix)

    That is more than enough buses to replace the 2008/2009 C40LFRs and 2010 L40LFRs, however, perhaps the 2006 C40LFR replacement has been moved into this contract instead of the Gillig contract. Is the RPTA not satisfied with Gillig? As for the 20 XN60s perhaps they will replace both the 2008 D60LFAs and the 2010 D40LFAs. Interesting they are going with CNG for their replacements though. However, for replacing the 2007 D40LFRs the RPTA is forced to go with diesel since the ValuTrans/Total Transit facility is not equipped for CNG (that is assuming they keep the contract). I wonder if those for the West Valley will be in standard transit, semi-suburban, or full suburban configuration.
  9. Valley Metro (Phoenix)

    My guess on the RPTA side the artics will replace the D60LFAs and perhaps some may be used for fleet expansion. As for the D40LFA replacement that may be in the next 5-year contract after this one (even though they were only delivered only a few months after the L40LFRs which replacements included in this upcoming contract).
  10. Valley Metro (Phoenix)

    So, are they are going back to LNG, or is that a typo? As far as I know the LNG tanks at the Mesa yard have been sold off. I remember the RFP was for diesel and CNG. I don't think New Flyer even offers LNG anymore. However, the Tempe yard fuels their CNG buses with LCNG, which is CNG produced from LNG.
  11. Valley Metro (Phoenix)

    Was New Flyer again the only bidder for the articulated bus contract or did Nova bid as well?
  12. Valley Metro (Phoenix)

    Looks like Gillig wasn't able to offer a low enough price this time to win the contract, since I do believe in both RFPs New Flyer scored higher in technical merit points.
  13. Valley Metro (Phoenix)

    As stated, perhaps the XN40s may be for Rapid trips with fewer boardings, similar to the flexibility the RPTA has for its express routes. The 40 foot bus options with New Flyer are for BRT-styled buses, so I think they would more likely go to RAPID rather than local routes, otherwise Phoenix would simply exercise more Gillig options.
  14. Valley Metro (Phoenix)

    https://www.newflyer.com/rss/835-city-of-phoenix-exercises-options-for-32-new-flyer-transit-buses The City of Phoenix has exercised options for 20 XD60s, 2 XN60s, and 10 XN40s. The 20 XD60s may be used to replace some 2007 D60LFs. The 2 XN60s will probably be for RAPID. However, I wonder what the XN40s will be for. I believe these are from the BRT options that they signed with New Flyer. Perhaps they may be assigned to RAPID trips with fewer boardings.
  15. US 2017 transit bus orders/deliveries

    KCM has 100 Gillig Low Floor Hybrids on order. I believe they are options off a state contract.