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Chris_the_traveller

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This is disturbing? They're replacing 1950s equipment with "newer" F40 locomotives from the 1980s. The cost of maintaing these four locomotives is probably exorbitant compared to the cost of maintaing the 13 F40s.

Alex

Sorry, I suppose sad would have been a better word to use. From a railfan point of view, that is (:rolleyes:), it'll be sad to see the GP9s go. But for the average commuter you're right this is a good thing, since the AMT can probably save a lot of money.

At least the AMT doesn't have steam locos.

I wouldn't mind that (from a railfan point of view)!

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Good afternoon!

Is the AMT is gouging it's customers?

Why have they dropped "Combined" fares??

The AMT has lost me as a customer since they started gouging by charging full fare to ride the train from downtown to Roxboro, even though I have a monthly pass, and a metro transfer.

They could offer combined fares on their SOLO cards, but they don't. Instead of the combined fare of $2.75 which I used to pay, I had to pay full fare the last I took the train.

Does Transport Quebec have the authority to force AMT to offer combined fares?

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Good afternoon!

Good evening. Welcome to the CPTDB.

Is the AMT is gouging it's customers?

Why have they dropped "Combined" fares??

The AMT hasn't dropped Combined Fares. Although, admittedly, they are more difficult to manage now that OPUS is installed.

Please see my post in the OPUS/Magnetic Card section for more details. Basically, if you're travelling to Roxboro, say on the 206, you would board the 206 with your TRAM 2 ticket and they seamlessly transfer to the train, makeing sure to validate in on the platform. You're still paying the same amount as if you had used a bus ticket on the bus and paid Combined Fare for a train ticket

The AMT has lost me as a customer since they started gouging by charging full fare to ride the train from downtown to Roxboro, even though I have a monthly pass, and a metro transfer.

That's called FARE EVASION and the reason why OPUS was installed to begin with. You can't get to Roxboro with a CAM card even if you pay Combined Fare.

They could offer combined fares on their SOLO cards, but they don't. Instead of the combined fare of $2.75 which I used to pay, I had to pay full fare the last I took the train.

Please see my post in the OPUS/Magnetic Card section for more details.

Does Transport Quebec have the authority to force AMT to offer combined fares?

As you're the one who's cheating the system, I doubt they'd listen. AMT is able to create, modify and remove fares as they please.

Alex

AMT/CIT Specialist :rolleyes:

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Don't worry Psycho, Alex isn't angry, he just drank too much coffee today. :D

Haven't drank enough :)

But seriously, I wasn't mad, just stating the point. No one should be cheating the system, and that works both ways. AMT isn't cheating it's users and the users aren't cheating the AMT.

Combined Fares still exist and at the same price. But their usage method has changed.

Alex

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Haven't drank enough :)

But seriously, I wasn't mad, just stating the point. No one should be cheating the system, and that works both ways. AMT isn't cheating it's users and the users aren't cheating the AMT.

Combined Fares still exist and at the same price. But their usage method has changed.

Alex

I disagree. How am I cheaing the system by wanting to pay combined fare?

I've paid for my Metro/Bus pass for the month, why should I pay FULL fare to ride the train?

I'm entitled to the transfer that are distributed in the Metro stations, and the inspectors would honor the transfer in conjunction with the combined fare.

I no longer take the train since they aboloshed the combined fare tickets. The AMT is losing revenue from occasional users such as myself who can't afford to by TRAM tickets above and beyond their existing CAM passes. Why aren't CAM passes honored by AMT?

Don't worry Psycho, Alex isn't angry, he just drank too much coffee today. :P

As he said, just use your zone 2 ticket when you get in the metro. :D

Thanks Zouloukistan :-)

As you can see, my issue is the return trip. I own a CAM so on my return

trip, I would use a Metro transfer and purchase a combined fare ticket.

Now though, they don't sell combined fare tickets, so I don't take the train.

I feel that the AMT should allow CAM pass owners to purchse combined fare

tickets for occasional use of the train. It's convenient for the traveller, and

it generates more revenue for AMT by retaining their occassional customers.

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I disagree. How am I cheaing the system by wanting to pay combined fare?

I've paid for my Metro/Bus pass for the month, why should I pay FULL fare to ride the train?

Combined fare is ONLY for users who have already paid for the bus with tickets or cash. No where on your CAM card or in AMT Rule 6.15 does it say that a CAM card gives someone access to the commuter train. You're committing fare evasion when you use you're CAM monthly pass on a service where it is not intended to be used.

I'm entitled to the transfer that are distributed in the Metro stations, and the inspectors would honor the transfer in conjunction with the combined fare.

No you're not. According to STM Rule 105.

Item 34: Le détenteur ou titulaire d’un titre de transport de type abonnement ne peut réclamer un droit de correspondre, ni l’usager déjà détenteur d’un tel droit. You'll also notice that in item 38, it doesn't mention anything about commuter train service.

I no longer take the train since they aboloshed the combined fare tickets. The AMT is losing revenue from occasional users such as myself who can't afford to by TRAM tickets above and beyond their existing CAM passes. Why aren't CAM passes honored by AMT?

Occasional users purchase a 6-ride ticket for $18.50 which works out to $3.08 per ticket a 35% reduction on the price of a full fare.

Believe it or not, CAM passes were honored by the AMT in zone 1 only (and with a supplement into zone 2). This policy was abolished in 2003 when the TRAM 1 was introduced.

I guess for others, there's always the 470...

Alex

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Combined fare is ONLY for users who have already paid for the bus with tickets or cash. No where on your CAM card or in AMT Rule 6.15 does it say that a CAM card gives someone access to the commuter train. You're committing fare evasion when you use you're CAM monthly pass on a service where it is not intended to be used.

No you're not. According to STM Rule 105.

Item 34: Le détenteur ou titulaire d’un titre de transport de type abonnement ne peut réclamer un droit de correspondre, ni l’usager déjà détenteur d’un tel droit. You'll also notice that in item 38, it doesn't mention anything about commuter train service.

Occasional users purchase a 6-ride ticket for $18.50 which works out to $3.08 per ticket a 35% reduction on the price of a full fare.

Believe it or not, CAM passes were honored by the AMT in zone 1 only (and with a supplement into zone 2). This policy was abolished in 2003 when the TRAM 1 was introduced.

I guess for others, there's always the 470...

Alex

Thanks for the reply Alex. I appreciate that you took the time to research your responses. :-)

The 6-ride ticket is not a bad alternative, since it's only 32 cents more expensive than the combined fare. I'll put some on a SOLO card this Saturday.

It still irks me though that CAM pass holders don't get a reduced rate to ride the train. :-(

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I must agree with you PsychoTech; I've always found it strange that while a single STM ticket or transfer can be used in conjunction with a Tarif a Combine on the train, an CAM cannot. Doesn't seem fair. What difference does it make which kind of title the person has? In escense it's the same thing, monthly CAM or single-use ticket.

Although Alex is correct; you should just get a 6-trip SOLO card (or you could even put it on your OPUS card, especially if you're a student, this is the only way to get the student rate).

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I must agree with you PsychoTech; I've always found it strange that while a single STM ticket or transfer can be used in conjunction with a Tarif a Combine on the train, an CAM cannot. Doesn't seem fair. What difference does it make which kind of title the person has? In escense it's the same thing, monthly CAM or single-use ticket.

Thank you for understanding and sharing my point of view. :-)

Although Alex is correct; you should just get a 6-trip SOLO card (or you could even put it on your OPUS card, especially if you're a student, this is the only way to get the student rate).

I have to stick to SOLO since I have 10 STM tickets on my OPUS card already.

- Jimmy

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Back in the old day (1997) you could take the train at Des Ruisseaux to Downtown with a regular CAM. I was using it everyday but since 1999 they have impose tram zone in Montréal which was implement with the AMT in 1996. Du Ruisseau, Bois-Franc, Sunnybrooke and Roxboro-Pierrefonds pass from zone 1 to zone 2. St-Anne-de-Bellevue and Baie-d'urfé was now in zone 3. The AMT is an organization who don't have to had to answer question to the public even if it is owned by the provincial government like GO. If you think there is a problem with the West Island AMT tarifications, it is nothing compare to the situation on the south-shore.

St-Bruno is really pissed because they are in zone 5 like Saint-Julie and Saint-Hubert and Boucherville is in zone 3.

IMHO, Boucherville, St-Hubert, St-Bruno should be all in zone 4. Saint-Julie should stay in zone 5

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IMHO, Boucherville, St-Hubert, St-Bruno should be all in zone 4. Saint-Julie should stay in zone 5

Absolutely not. Boucherville, St-Hubert and St-Bruno should all be in Zone 3. They're part of the Agglomeration de Longueuil they should pay the same as their neighbors in Brossard and Longueuil.

The whole Zone system needs to be rethought. In a perfect world:

Zone 1: Montreal

Zone 2: Laval + Longueuil Agglomeration

Zone 3: (Current Zone 5)

Zone 4: (Current Zone 8)

Zone 5: (Off AMT Extensions)

Alex

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Absolutely not. Boucherville, St-Hubert and St-Bruno should all be in Zone 3. They're part of the Agglomeration de Longueuil they should pay the same as their neighbors in Brossard and Longueuil.

The whole Zone system needs to be rethought. In a perfect world:

Zone 1: Montreal

Zone 2: Laval + Longueuil Agglomeration

Zone 3: (Current Zone 5)

Zone 4: (Current Zone 8)

Zone 5: (Off AMT Extensions)

Alex

At least it's not like Toronto where practically every train station is in its own zone, and a monthly GO pass will only allow you to take one specific train between two specified stops. So, if you live in, say Oshawa, and work in downtown Toronto, you would have to buy every month an Durham Region Transit (DRT) pass, a GO Transit pass for Oshawa to Union station, as well as a TTC pass, assuming you didn't work within walking distance of Union.

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At least it's not like Toronto where practically every train station is in its own zone, and a monthly GO pass will only allow you to take one specific train between two specified stops.

Both of those are not entirely true - there are quite a few zones that have more than one station (practically all of Toronto proper, for instance), and a GO pass will allow you to take any mode (either bus or train) anywhere between those two stops.

To use your hypothetical Oshawa-Toronto example, you can take the train from Toronto to Ajax, then transfer to the parallel bus service on Hwy 2 and get off at any time before Oshawa. Or you could get on the train at Scarborough or Eglinton.

While I like the way that Montréal's system is integrated (or at least to a far more thorough manner than Toronto's), I think GO's fare structure, with it's many zones, is more fair.

Dan

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I like Alex's idea with the five zones. But make them fair dammit. Sainte-Anne-de-Bellevue should be in Zone 5 or 6 according to the AMT's distance policy but they get Zone 3. WTF are Hudson and Rigaud doing in zone 6 when they should be in 8. However, we should also be allowed to by TRAM passes between any two zones rather than between Zone 1 and Zone X. With OPUS it would be much easier to implement because you wouldn't need to stock an excessive number of pass types.

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I like Alex's idea with the five zones. But make them fair dammit. Sainte-Anne-de-Bellevue should be in Zone 5 or 6 according to the AMT's distance policy but they get Zone 3. WTF are Hudson and Rigaud doing in zone 6 when they should be in 8. However, we should also be allowed to by TRAM passes between any two zones rather than between Zone 1 and Zone X. With OPUS it would be much easier to implement because you wouldn't need to stock an excessive number of pass types.

No. Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue is in the Agglomeration de Montéal which means they're taxes already paid for transit. If you want Ste-Anne to be in Zone 5 then the 200, 210, 211 and 221 would have to be in Zone 5 as well ;) the goal is that all transit regardless of type should be the same price based on territory.

I stand behind my 5-zone theory.

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For the moment? It's been how long? Years since they've had a "promotion speciale" for Hudson and Rigaud...

Since 2005 IIRC. From what I've heard, Hudson and Rigaud will only go to Zone 6 after "infrastructure upgrades"

Maintien de la réduction tarifaire zone 5 aux gares Hudson et Rigaud en raison des travaux à effectuer aux infrastructures ferroviaires.
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Oh boy :): http://www.noisekills.ca/. Looks like it was created by the person from this article.

In other news, the AMT has released its brochure about the escapades en train. There are 15 in total this year (+ the hudson village train). Interesting to see that many more trips depart from Lucien-L'Allier than in previous years. See: http://www.amt.qc.ca/escapades/

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Oh boy :): http://www.noisekills.ca/. Looks like it was created by the person from this article.

In other news, the AMT has released its brochure about the escapades en train. There are 15 in total this year (+ the hudson village train). Interesting to see that many more trips depart from Lucien-L'Allier than in previous years. See: http://www.amt.qc.ca/escapades/

Re: Couple rail at train noise

Trains have been there for over 100 years. If they don`t like it, move!

Re: That poorly-designed website

Bovine secretions (BS) if you ask me. Facts are all wrong and its ridden with spelling mistakes.

Alex

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