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The Samtrans wiki page needs major help as far as current fleet! This is from 09/10 company list, verified with 2011 APTA fleet data.

100-154 2002 NABI 436.10

300-359 2003 Gillig G20D102N4

400-490 2009 Gillig G27D102N4

500-539 2010 Gillig G27D102N4

600-671 1998 Gillig C21D102N4 - 666 r# 672

2900-2903 2009 Gillig G27E102R2

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More older Samtrans stuff:

Volvo B10B's were 100-114, not 115 115 seems to have been skipped

NABI's 155-169 did not exist. NABI's were 100-154 only, and all still there

Ikarus 286's I have as 780-789 not 790-799

In the early days Samtrans had a bunch of used stuff:

100-104 TDH4517 ex MARTA 607,636,661-663

105-110 TDH4517 ex Monterrey Peninsula 101,112-114,110-111

111 TDH4517 ex Seattle 792

112-114 TDH4519 ex Sattle 782-784

115 TDH4519 ex Guiton Charter 201

116-122 TDH4518 ex MARTA 769-772,774-776

123-131 TDH4519 ex Ft Worth 501-509

132-137 TDH4519 ex MARTA 725-727,731,733,735

150 Flx F2D6V401-1 ex Seattle 778

151 TDH5301 ex Guiton Charter 202

152-154 TDH5301 ex Seattle 776,777,775

155-159 TDH5301 ex Santa Monica 5317-5321

160-167 TDH5303 ex MARTA 809,811,812,814,819,820,829,828

182-187 TDH4519 ex Guelph 71-76 (GMDD built)

200-213 TDH4507 ex AC TRansit 1749,1754,1762,1795,1802,1811,1813,1820,1823,1830,1833,1834,1840,1856

2nd 206 TDH4507 ex AC Transit 1797

214 TDH4801 ex S San Francisco Transit 1056

215 TDH4507 ex S San Francisco Transit 1057

216 TDH4507 ex Shelter Creek Apartments 311

217-218 TDH4507 ex Salinas City Lines 201-202

219 TDH4801 ex Bay Rapid Transit 128

9801-9829,9831-9849 TDM5303 ex Greyhound same #'s

Also had a bunch of minibuses mostly from muni systems they took over that were in route service

200-218 1987 Gillig E58PT

205-219 0309D ex Davenport?

220-224 0309D ex Belmont Urban Service 1-15

225-228 0309D ex Millbrae 1-4

230-233 Minibus MBS9029 ex Burlingame 101-104

234-240 Minibus MBS9029 ex Meno Park 431-437

241 Minibus MBF2D ex San Carlos

242 TDH3501 ex Northgate 3

243 TGH3102 ex Northagte 33

250-257 Minibus MBS3055 ex Pacifica 1-8

258-259 Dodge Sportsval 310B ex Brisbane 1-2

260 Transcraft ex?

261 Ford/Gillig B500 ex Burlingame 105

262-268 Ford/Gillig B500 ex Redwood City 4010,4028,4036,4044,4051,4069,4077

269-270 Fleetwood FL-TB-1 ex Redwood City 4085,4093

271-277 Fleetwood FL-TB-1 ex S San Francisco Transit 1059-1061,1084-1087

278-281 Fleetwood FL-TB-1 ex Foster City 1-4

282-285 HP-Twin TC25B ex San Carlos 201-204

In later years had follwoing small buses, apparently used in dial-a-ride services

200-218 1993 Ford/Champion

250-259 1991 Ford/ElDorado

Huge mess in the early days, but almost all of these were gone by 1982!

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Couple of minor correections to old Samtrans:

Ikarus 286's were 700-709. I have seen them listed as 780-789 also, but photos show 700-709 series. Possibly some renumbered when 93 Gilligs 700-763 showed up??

216-218 were 4509's (originally San Diego) not 4507's (my typo!)

Two more ex MARTA 4518's might have existed. 1982 APTA fleet lists 15, while my lists show only 13 116-122 and 132-137, which matches 1978 APTA list. Since these came third-hand (at least), possibly two more were put in service later. Will see what I can find.

Also, all the little buses listed were apparently used in "regular" services, though many must have been dial-arides in the various towns involved. The two newer batches, the 1993 Ford/Champion Challengers 200-218 and 1991 Ford/ElDorado Hawks were strictlty for paratransit service. The Champions replaced the 1986 Ford/Gillig E58PT's 200-218 which were also paratransit as far as I can tell.

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SamTrans was always good about reusing numbers...

in 1998 200-218 were 1993 Champion Challengers, 250-259 were 1997 ElDorado Aerotechs. The Aerotechs replaced the 1991 ElDorado Hawks (please put this model name in list!)

by 2010, 200-213 were 2008 ElDorado Amerivans, 220-238 2007 ElDorado Aerotechs, 240-249 2005 ElDorado Aerotechs, 250-259 2007 ElDorado Amerivans, 260-269 2009 ElDorado Aerotechs

I know some think going into this detail on minivans is excessive, but if they are authority-ownerd and -operated, as these are, they should be listed, I think!

More Samtrans adds:

As of 1998 Neoplan artics 116-130, NFIL Artics 9500-9529, and Gilligs 882-899 had a "9" prefix to their numbers, designating they were in "Gray Line" service. Apparently this actually means they were in Greyhound service, as the Hound local service was apparently kept separate from the "local" service for many years.

Finally, there is the issue of MV Transportation, which operates some service for Samtrans. Buses 137-154 (NABI's), 471-490, 663-665, 667-672 (Gilligs) are assigned to MV, as are two small batches that have non-standard numbers: 2240-2242 2003 ElDorado Aerotechs, 2900-2903 2009 Gillig G27E102R2's. Both are apparently in general=public service, so should be included.

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Andre,

Here are some serial numbers for SAMTRANS according to the 2010 roster that you posted.

100-154 2002 NABI 436.10 2A140105-2A140144, 2A140478-2A140492

300-359 2003 Gillig G20D102N4 31074019-31074078

400-490 2009 Gillig G27D102N4 91177078-91177128, A1177129-A1177168

500-539 2010 Gillig G27D102N4 A1177018-A1177057

600-671 1998 Gillig C21D102N4 - 666 r# 672 W1088769-W1088840

2900-2903 2009 Gillig G27E102R2 91091771-91091774

Stalwart23

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Early Samtrans was a strange operation. They attempted to operate a "basic grid" with "flexible route" feeders. This is where they used the horde of vans, in actual public service not true dial-a-ride. The whole idea fell apart pretty soon and they went to a traditional route structure. There were apparently a couple of places in California that tried this, bus Samtrans was by far the biggest.

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samTrans Retired Bus Info for the Wiki

1985 Neoplan AN460: Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V92TA; Transmission: ZF Ecomat 4HP600

1983 and 1984 Gillig Phantoms: Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V92TA; Transmission: Allison HTB-740

1980 Flyer D900 and D901: Engine: Cummins VTB-903; Transmission Allison V370; Some were sold to SF MUNI circa 1994. (300R and 600R series).

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samTrans Retired Bus Info for the Wiki

1985 Neoplan AN460: Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V92TA; Transmission: ZF Ecomat 4HP600

1983 and 1984 Gillig Phantoms: Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V92TA; Transmission: Allison HTB-740

1980 Flyer D900 and D901: Engine: Cummins VTB-903; Transmission Allison V370; Some were sold to SF MUNI circa 1994. (300R and 600R series).

Actually, those transmissions should be:

ZF Ecomat 5HP600 for 1985 Neoplan AN460

Allison HT747 for the 1983-84 Gillig Phantoms

Allison V730 for the 1980 Flyer D900; and as far as I know the D901A did not retain the Cummins VTB903 engine unless there is proof of that.

~Ben

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Actually, those transmissions should be:

ZF Ecomat 5HP600 for 1985 Neoplan AN460

Allison HT747 for the 1983-84 Gillig Phantoms

Allison V730 for the 1980 Flyer D900; and as far as I know the D901A did not retain the Cummins VTB903 engine unless there is proof of that.

~Ben

Thanks for the correction on the ZF.

As far as the Gilligs go, I read that those had HT-740's, not HT-747's. I read it from transit agencies who bought 1983 Gilligs.

Thanks for the correction on the Flyer D900 and D901.

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