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Welcome to the 1st-gen sightings thread. Please feel free to post any and all 1st-gen sightings, news, and retirements here.

Current list of active 1st-gens

(Last updated: September 21st, 2010 @ 18:44)

Key to reading dates: (Date/Month/Year)

The List

16-XXX

16-004 MR (27/08/10)

16-006 MR (08/09/10)

16-010 MR (31/08/10)

16-011 MR (01/09/10)

16-012 AN (25/05/10)

16-014 SL (02/09/10)

16-016 MR (09/09/10)

16-019 MR (30/08/10)

16-021 MR (21/07/10)

16-022 MR (01/09/10)

16-023 AN (24/08/10)

16-030 AN (12/03/10)

16-034 AN (29/07/10)

16-037 AN (18/08/10)

16-039 AN (25/02/10)

16-041 LE (09/09/10)

16-042 MR (24/08/10)

16-043 FR (18/11/09)

16-044 AN (11/08/10)

16-046 SL (20/09/10)

16-050 SL (01/09/10)

16-054 LE (03/11/09)

16-056 LE (03/08/10)

16-058 LE (15/09/10)

16-059 FR (29/07/10)

16-065 AN (05/08/10)

16-070 LE (08/03/10)

16-071 LE (14/06/10)

16-073 SL (23/02/10)

16-074 SL (14/09/10)

16-076 AN (07/09/10)

16-078 AN (20/06/10)

16-079 AN (29/07/10)

16-080 AN (25/08/10)

16-082 AN (07/09/10)

16-084 SL (07/09/10)

16-088 FR (22/07/10)

16-089 AN (03/01/10)

16-090 AN (03/05/10)

16-096 MR (28/08/10)

16-097 MR (05/08/10)

16-098 FR (01/09/10)

16-100 MR (16/08/10)

16-101 FR (28/07/10)

16-103 MR (12/08/10)

16-104 LE (11/03/10)

16-106 SL (07/07/10)

16-107 MR (26/07/10)

16-109 LE (27/07/10)

16-110 SL (23/07/10)

16-111 SL (23/06/10)

16-113 MR (20/09/10)

16-117 LE (30/08/10)

16-118 SL (01/04/10)

16-120 SL (16/02/10)

16-121 MR (26/07/10)

16-122 FR (17/08/10)

16-123 MR (15/09/10)

16-124 MR (16/06/10)

16-126 SL (14/09/10)

16-127 SL (08/03/10)

16-129 MR (08/09/10)

16-130 AN (31/08/10)

16-132 SL (30/08/10)

16-133 LA (19/02/10)

16-135 MR (22/07/10)

16-136 AN (12/05/10)

16-137 SL (14/09/10)

16-141 SL (20/07/10)

16-142 SL (03/09/10)

16-143 AN (07/04/10)

16-144 AN (30/03/10)

16-145 MR (12/09/10)

16-146 AN (25/02/10)

16-148 AN (29/07/10)

16-150 MR (07/09/10)

16-151 AN (16/06/10)

16-152 AN (22/08/10)

16-153 AN (30/03/10)

16-154 AN (25/02/10)

16-155 MR (18/08/10)

16-157 AN (28/01/10)

16-158 AN (22/02/10)

16-159 AN (16/06/10)

16-160 AN (25/08/10)

16-162 AN (20/08/10)

16-163 AN (31/08/10)

16-167 FR (31/08/10)

16-170 AN (19/11/09)

16-172 AN (30/06/10)

16-176 AN (25/08/10)

16-177 SL (26/07/10)

16-178 LE (31/08/10)

16-179 LE (16/02/10)

17-XXX

17-002 SL (30/08/10)

17-003 SL (16/09/10)

17-004 SL (02/02/10)

17-005 MR (24/08/10)

17-006 MR (08/09/10)

17-007 MR (30/08/10)

17-008 MR (10/08/10)

17-009 SL (28/06/10)

17-010 MR (30/08/10)

17-011 SL (12/06/10)

17-012 SD (05/08/10)

17-013 FR (14/09/10)

17-014 MR (09/09/10)

17-020 LE (25/02/10)

17-021 FR (29/03/10)

17-024 MR (31/08/10)

17-027 MR (12/08/10)

17-029 AN (14/06/10)

17-030 MR (14/09/10)

17-032 SL (21/04/10)

17-034 SL (20/07/10)

17-035 LE (04/03/10)

17-037 SL (08/03/10)

17-038 FR (13/09/10)

17-039 FR (28/04/10)

17-040 SL (27/07/10)

17-041 LE (09/02/10)

17-042 MR (16/11/09)

17-043 MR (09/08/10)

17-044 FR (29/07/10)

17-046 MR (05/08/10)

17-048 MR (14/09/10)

17-049 MR (21/09/10)

17-051 LE (01/09/10)

17-052 LE (17/09/10)

17-053 LE (17/06/10)

17-056 MR (30/08/10)

17-061 SL (05/04/10)

17-063 SL (08/03/10)

17-064 SL (31/05/10)

17-069 FR (14/09/10)

17-071 SD (25/07/10)

17-072 SL (27/07/10)

17-075 MR (20/09/10)

17-076 MR (14/09/10)

17-077 AN (07/09/10)

17-078 MR (01/05/10)

17-079 SD (22/08/10)

17-080 LE (03/03/10)

17-084 LE (15/02/10)

17-085 FR (07/09/10)

17-086 MR (20/09/10)

17-087 MR (25/08/10)

17-088 SD (09/06/10)

17-091 SL (21/06/10)

17-097 MR (24/08/10)

17-101 MR (28/07/10)

17-103 MR (05/08/10)

17-104 MR (24/08/10)

17-105 MR (26/08/10)

17-106 MR (27/08/10)

17-107 MR (26/03/10)

17-108 MR (28/07/10)

17-109 MR (24/08/10)

17-111 MR (02/09/10)

17-112 MR (04/03/10)

17-113 MR (05/01/10)

17-114 MR (22/07/10)

17-115 MR (31/08/10)

17-116 MR (12/08/10)

17-119 LE (06/07/10)

17-120 AN (11/03/10)

17-121 FR (10/08/10)

17-125 FR (12/08/10)

17-127 FR (31/08/10)

17-128 FR (17/09/10)

17-129 AN (29/07/10)

17-130 SL (20/07/10)

17-131 FR (28/07/10)

17-132 FR (20/06/10)

17-133 FR (25/08/10)

17-134 FR (29/07/10)

17-135 FR (07/09/10)

17-136 MR (31/08/10)

17-137 FR (09/09/10)

17-138 LE (16/09/10)

17-139 FR (02/05/10)

17-140 FR (07/09/10)

17-141 MR (28/07/10)

17-143 LE (07/09/10)

17-144 SL (27/07/10)

17-145 FR (23/06/10)

17-146 SD (29/07/10)

17-147 FR (28/01/10)

17-148 FR (09/09/10)

17-149 FR (07/09/10)

17-150 FR (19/02/10)

17-151 FR (03/06/10)

17-152 FR (08/03/10)

17-154 FR (08/03/10)

17-155 MR (08/03/10)

17-156 FR (30/06/10)

17-157 SL (20/07/10)

17-158 SL (05/03/10)

17-159 SL (27/07/10)

17-160 SL (21/09/10)

17-161 FR (07/09/10)

17-162 LE (24/03/10)

17-163 LE (03/06/10)

17-164 SD (17/09/10)

17-165 FR (29/07/10)

17-167 FR (03/09/10)

17-168 FR (07/09/10)

17-169 SL (20/07/10)

17-170 SL (12/07/10)

17-171 FR (01/09/10)

17-174 MR (14/09/10)

17-176 MR (16/09/10)

17-177 MR (22/06/10)

17-178 MR (07/09/10)

17-180 MR (30/08/10)

18-0XX

18-002 FR (08/04/10)

18-003 FR (18/08/10)

18-004 FR (09/08/10)

18-006 FR (14/09/10)

18-007 FR (02/05/10)

18-009 FR (08/07/10)

18-011 AN (31/08/10)

18-013 MR (19/07/10)

18-014 FR (09/09/10)

18-016 MR (31/08/10)

18-017 MR (21/09/10)

18-020 MR (25/08/10)

18-021 MR (01/09/10)

18-022 SL (16/03/10)

18-023 MR (16/09/10)

18-025 SD (29/07/10)

18-026 SL (26/07/10)

18-027 SD (21/04/10)

18-028 MR (14/09/10)

18-029 MR (01/03/10)

18-030 AN (09/09/10)

18-033 MR (01/09/10)

18-034 SD (06/09/10)

18-035 FR (27/08/10)

18-036 MR (01/09/10)

18-037 MR (24/02/10)

18-039 SL (05/03/10)

18-040 MR (16/07/10)

18-042 FR (07/09/10)

18-044 MR (14/09/10)

18-045 MR (29/07/10)

18-046 AN (02/05/10)

18-047 FR (30/06/10)

18-049 FR (25/02/10)

18-050 AN (23/02/10)

18-052 FR (14/09/10)

18-053 MR (08/12/09)

18-054 MR (25/05/10)

18-055 MR (16/09/10)

18-057 MR (29/07/10)

18-058 MR (07/09/10)

18-059 FR (14/09/10)

18-061 SL (16/06/10)

18-062 SL (17/09/10)

18-063 SL (07/06/10)

18-064 MR (22/07/10)

18-066 SL (16/09/10)

18-068 MR (29/07/10)

18-070 SL (15/09/10)

18-071 SL (27/08/10)

18-072 SL (15/09/10)

18-073 AN (22/08/10)

18-074 AN (07/09/10)

18-075 AN (07/06/10)

18-076 AN (10/08/10)

18-077 SD (26/07/10)

18-078 SL (27/07/10)

18-079 SD (10/08/10)

18-080 LE (27/07/10)

18-083 SD (07/07/10)

18-084 AN (17/09/10)

18-085 SD (27/07/10)

18-086 SD (23/05/10)

18-087 SD (09/09/10)

18-089 AN (15/09/10)

18-090 AN (06/05/10)

18-092 AN (30/03/10)

18-093 AN (05/11/09)

18-094 AN (16/11/09)

Total: 249

(As of July 30th, 2010)

Note: All garage allocations are taken from the STM Wiki, and are subject to change. Any corrections and / or updates are always welcome.

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Uh, Mystic, 16-137 was rebuilt after an accident. It's still alive, and running with St. Laurent. It was never at Youville. Just thought I'd let you know :P. And Simon, I saw 16s 089 & 150 on Tuesday, so you may want to change the dates on your list :P.

It was a long search just to find those few sightings, so I should probably just wait now for the official list to be released. There are so many pics I haven't sorted through you that they get outdated and aren't very good for statistical purposes any longer.

16-137 was rebuilt? Not at Youville? Pfft. I suppose they fixed this one up just like they're rebuilding those other 1st gens at the new Legendre garage. Can't figure why though if they plan on dumping them off to Novabus shortly.

One thing I've noticed though, it's very rare now, I find, to see a 1st gen in Lasalle! It used to be the opposite before. I still see a lot of Classics, but most days now it's either a 27-5, 28 or 3rd gen 29 that's in service. Nothing much older and very rare a 1st gen. I see more Classics than 1st gens in Lasalle now!

Anyways, here's a few sightings from the last few days (still in the camera):

16-100 - 430 on Rene-Levesque

16-168 - 430 at Centre-Bell

17-084 - 535 at Guy

17-088 - 535 on Rene-Levesque

17-161 - 535 at Guy

18-023 - 535 on Rene-Levesque

17-171 - 106 at Angrignon

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If you are planning on adding a section for retired 1st gens, here's a short list of ones that we saw at Youville last fall:

16-015

16-026

16-055

16-085

16-137

16-140

17-001 (Fire)

17-019 (Fire)

17-098 (Fire)

17-122 (Fire)

17-153

18-008

About the retired first-gens, I did an updated list, that I posted in the thread "Retirement of STM 16, 17, 18-xxx".

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Classic 9401, I posted the full list of retired 16, 17 and 18 series buses in the 1st gen retirement thread. Every other bus that I did not list is active. So now you can update a full list of active 1st gens here based on what I listed retired as per an official STM roster as good as of yesterday.

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Classic 9401, I posted the full list of retired 16, 17 and 18 series buses in the 1st gen retirement thread. Every other bus that I did not list is active. So now you can update a full list of active 1st gens here based on what I listed retired as per an official STM roster as good as of yesterday.

Okay, since the roster is as good as of yesterday, i'll list the active buses as of September, 26th. It will now be easier to follow.

The list is not complete yet, but I've done a part it. It's gonna be complete tomorrow since I don't have time to do it all tonight.

Meanwhile, you guys keep reporting yours first-gens sightings, so I can update the various dates.

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Sept 28, 2009

16-027 on 185 at 15h39 at Sherbrooke and Radisson going east

16-045 as Chauffeur Eleve at 15h47 at Sherbrooke and Des Groseilliers going west

16-080 as Hors-Service at 15h48 at Sherbrooke and Des Groseilliers going west

16-148 on 44 at 15h47 at Metro Radisson

18-090 on 77 at 18h28 at Metro Radisson

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1st-Gen Watch

09 / 29 / 09

  • 18-045 signed up as the 430 at the Elmhurst loop. Hey Steve, isn't this bus supposed to be dead? If so, we have ourselves a zombie bus :). Got photo evidence too.

I never listed it as retired in the roster list I posted 2 days ago. It's still active out of MR garage, but it was briefly at LA garage during the summer. I got pics of it on the 113 in July 2009. In July it was in the repair line behind LA garage, but never retired yet. Sorry, if I had mentioned it in the retired buses back in July. FYI, 17-027 which was one of the buses next to 18-045 back in July 09 in the repair line behind LA garage is still in the repair line same spot at LA garage.

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So 18-045 is still active, then. I remember this one having problems with its rear door a few years ago. I think it was originally a LA bus, but LA transferred it to MR. Good riddance.

Back in July 2009, Lasalle only had 27 1st gens left! The lowest amount out of any other garage! WALALALA

These were the units:

16-043

16-098

16-101

16-102

16-113

16-115

16-122

16-133

16-139

16-142

17-013

17-021

17-027

17-034

17-049

17-168

17-169

17-171

17-173

18-037

18-038

18-040

18-045

18-046

18-047

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Back in July 2009, Lasalle only had 27 1st gens left! The lowest amount out of any other garage! WALALALA

These were the units:

16-043

16-098

16-101

16-102

16-113

16-115

16-122

16-133

16-139

16-142

17-013

17-021

17-027

17-034

17-049

17-168

17-169

17-171

17-173

18-037

18-038

18-040

18-045

18-046

18-047

Yay! That means MR & FR have the most of these things, I believe. From this list, you can strike off 17-027 & 16-102, since they've apparently been canned. Also, 16-135 appears to be a LA bus too. Saw it today on the 162.

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Yay! That means MR & FR have the most of these things, I believe. From this list, you can strike off 17-027 & 16-102, since they've apparently been canned. Also, 16-135 appears to be a LA bus too. Saw it today on the 162.

17-027 as I mentioned it parked out back of LA garage in the repair line. As for 16-102, it's sitting retired in the front of the garage to the far right side with another 2 LFS's and 2 or 3 classics.

Recent additions to the 1st gens now currently as LA garage are:

16-014

16-135

16-140

17-161

18-036

18-071

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17-027 as I mentioned it parked out back of LA garage in the repair line. As for 16-102, it's sitting retired in the front of the garage to the far right side with another 2 LFS's and 2 or 3 classics.

Recent additions to the 1st gens now currently as LA garage are:

16-014

16-135

16-140

17-161

18-036

18-071

Thanks for the clearing up things.

What about #16-142 now? About #16-140 we all know that it's impossible...

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Thanks for the clearing up things.

What about #16-142 now? About #16-140 we all know that it's impossible...

16-142 is one of the LFS's retired out front of Lasalle garage, but it's still listed on the active roster. I'm pretty sure this bus will never see service again and is just waiting to be towed to Youville. The buses out front are guarenteed retired I was told, plus 16-142 is missing many parts already.

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16-142 is one of the LFS's retired out front of Lasalle garage, but it's still listed on the active roster. I'm pretty sure this bus will never see service again and is just waiting to be towed to Youville. The buses out front are guarenteed retired I was told, plus 16-142 is missing many parts already.

Thanks, for the information. :blink:

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Awesome! Well, I hope that works out for you, regardless of what position you end up taking with them :P.

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1st-Gen Watch

09 / 30 / 09

  • 17-088 on the 161.
  • 18-038 on the 103.
  • 16-014 on the 162. I guess this one must really bus a LaSalle bus now.
    Last time I saw it, it was in Old Montreal, working route 14 :(!
  • 17-173 on the 105. This one has awesome smartassness potential :P.
  • 17s 177 & 176 on the 51.
  • 18-006 on the 15.
  • 18-023 on the 165.

I think I now hold the dubious honour of being the forum's best 1st-gen spotter. Um, yay :blink:?

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