Nova Bus LFS (all models)

[G.A]

52 minutes ago, TTC_1203 said:

3. Are there any other TAs in Canada/the United States that have Novas with ”Quebec-style” sliding windows? Sarnia is the (only?) anomaly in Ontario:

Then there are exo’s Novas around Montreal being a rarity in Quebec with tip-in windows, and 1/2 / 1/2 front doors:

Sarnia has the most interesting spec'd out Nova's in Ontario. As far as I am aware, Sarnia is the only agency with the sliding windows let alone the double wheelchair ramps (on an LFS) in Ontario so far.

[MiExpress]

44 minutes ago, TTC_1203 said:

3. Are there any other TAs in Canada/the United States that have Novas with ”Quebec-style” sliding windows? Sarnia is the (only?) anomaly in Ontario:

Source

Then there are exo’s Novas around Montreal being a rarity in Quebec with tip-in windows, and 1/2 / 1/2 front doors:

Source

 

26 minutes ago, G.A said:

Sarnia has the most interesting spec'd out Nova's in Ontario. As far as I am aware, Sarnia is the only agency with the sliding windows let alone the double wheelchair ramps (on an LFS). 

Santa Barbara Transit District in California as well as Fredericton, New Brunswick operate LFS buses with top sliding windows like that Sarnia unit pictured. Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan also has LFS with sliding windows, although the sliding portion is on the bottom part of the windows.

As for double wheelchair ramps, right here in Ontario Hamilton's LFS CNGs are equipped with both front and rear wheelchair ramps.

[MiExpress]

According to the August 9 meeting of Broome County's board of acquisition and contract, the county's order for 6 Nova LFSe+ buses is being rescinded due to Nova Bus withdrawing from the US market.

https://www.gobroomecounty.com/sites/default/files/dept/BAC Agenda August 9%2C 2023.pdf

[Megabus Rider]

On 8/10/2023 at 7:35 AM, MiExpress said:

According to the August 9 meeting of Broome County's board of acquisition and contract, the county's order for 6 Nova LFSe+ buses is being rescinded due to Nova Bus withdrawing from the US market.

https://www.gobroomecounty.com/sites/default/files/dept/BAC Agenda August 9%2C 2023.pdf

I'm guessing their buses won't be produced until late next year into 2025 and Nova Bus notified them that their buses would be produced in Canada.

[Bus_Dealership]

there are talks about an upcoming 5th generation LFS, should we discuss about it?

[RailBus63]

4 hours ago, Bus_Dealership said:

there are talks about an upcoming 5th generation LFS, should we discuss about it?

Talk from whom?  

[The Squishy Bus]

On 9/9/2023 at 5:55 AM, RailBus63 said:

Talk from whom?  

Who what now?

[MCIBUS]

That's the first I heard of Novsbus leaving the US? If true they just shot themselves in the foot as to speak? With the "Buy US" in the US, transit agencies won't get any state or federal funding.  Not sure why they would leave the US Market. it's way bigger then the Canda market?

[RailBus63]

22 hours ago, The Squishy Bus said:

Who what now?

The poster said that there are 'talks' regarding a 5th generation LFS, supposedly.  I was asking who is doing that talking? 

[G.A]

On 9/9/2023 at 5:55 AM, RailBus63 said:

Talk from whom?  

A Volvo 7900? With North American bumpers in the dazzle livery like on yet to be released car models was spotted a few times at the Nova plant. This opened up discussion for the talked about "5th Generation". 

[The Squishy Bus]

47 minutes ago, RailBus63 said:

The poster said that there are 'talks' regarding a 5th generation LFS, supposedly.  I was asking who is doing that talking? 

Ohh, okay. Thank you. 

As for the 5th Gen, I'm not going to doubt the 7900 will be used as a Testbed for the 5th gen, similar to when Nova started development with the bus from DOB.

[Bus_Dealership]

On 9/9/2023 at 5:55 AM, RailBus63 said:

Talk from whom?  

This one

@Gerbil posted a picture last year of the novabus plant in St. Eustache and there was a weird bus sitting next to other 4th gen novabus. It has a zebra-striped camo and weirdly has some north american specs features (such as the front bumper). The bus looks like a Volvo 7900.

Zebra-striped camouflage are usually used by the automotive industry to camouflage the shape of the body so a vehicle that has not been released to the public (a prototype) can be tested on public roads.

[Glennwood Road Ent.]

On 9/9/2023 at 1:47 AM, Bus_Dealership said:

there are talks about an upcoming 5th generation LFS, should we discuss about it?

Check Wikipedia 

[Megabus Rider]

8 hours ago, The Squishy Bus said:

Ohh, okay. Thank you. 

As for the 5th Gen, I'm not going to doubt the 7900 will be used as a Testbed for the 5th gen, similar to when Nova started development with the bus from DOB.

I am thinking Nova will do what Orion did with the 7 which the NG 7 incorporated design cues from the MB Citaro. Nova will use the LFS frame and take design cues from the Volvo 7900 and call it the LFS 5th Generation.

 

6 hours ago, Glennwood Road Ent. said:

Check Wikipedia 

I checked and noticed the Volvo D9 Engine and (this got me) paired with a I-shift tranny. Driving a semi automated tranny in the city takes a lot of coordination with the accelerator pedal for a smooth drive, not sure how that's gonna work in North America.

[The Squishy Bus]

For anyone that can't tell what bus is the VOLVO 7900, I got you covered. 

[Bus_Dealership]

On 9/12/2023 at 10:47 PM, Megabus Rider said:

I am thinking Nova will do what Orion did with the 7 which the NG 7 incorporated design cues from the MB Citaro. Nova will use the LFS frame and take design cues from the Volvo 7900 and call it the LFS 5th Generation.

 

I checked and noticed the Volvo D9 Engine and (this got me) paired with a I-shift tranny. Driving a semi automated tranny in the city takes a lot of coordination with the accelerator pedal for a smooth drive, not sure how that's gonna work in North America.

tbh, they might make a D9 engine that suits the EPA configuration and maybe, for the diesel buses only, they could use an allison or any other allowed transmission to make it up for that. But it would be funny if an LFS uses a volvo engine instead of a cummins engine

[Doppelkupplung]

21 hours ago, Bus_Dealership said:

tbh, they might make a D9 engine that suits the EPA configuration and maybe, for the diesel buses only, they could use an allison or any other allowed transmission to make it up for that. But it would be funny if an LFS uses a volvo engine instead of a cummins engine

Why would any agency opt for a Volvo motor over a Cummins

Diesel is pretty much done in new buses. Everything is going hybrid or electric. Why make the change now

[Megabus Rider]

On 9/18/2023 at 12:59 PM, Doppelkupplung said:

Why would any agency opt for a Volvo motor over a Cummins

Diesel is pretty much done in new buses. Everything is going hybrid or electric. Why make the change now

Who owns Novabus?

[G.A]

4 minutes ago, Megabus Rider said:

Who owns Novabus?

It's part of Volvo.

[Megabus Rider]

14 minutes ago, G.A said:

It's part of Volvo.

If Volvo wants to bring the D9 as an option or standard engine, they can do what they want.

[Doppelkupplung]

26 minutes ago, Megabus Rider said:

Who owns Novabus?

Volvo's ownership has nothing to do with engine selection. Why choose option B when almost all of North America uses option A for this class of vehicle

And to bring over the D9 to North America now makes like, negative sense lol. 

[Bus_Medic]

If they were going to, they would have by now.

[Bus_Dealership]

On 9/20/2023 at 12:28 PM, Doppelkupplung said:

Volvo's ownership has nothing to do with engine selection. Why choose option B when almost all of North America uses option A for this class of vehicle

And to bring over the D9 to North America now makes like, negative sense lol. 

it doesnt matter if almost all of north america use option A, they can still decide to gradually add the Volvo engine as an option in the future. in the 2000s, almost all of the coaches in NA used Detroit Diesels engines, with only a few case (like some MCIs) having Cummins engine. Volvo then, gradually started putting their own engines to newer Prevost and then now, all new prevost has a volvo engine. It doesnt matter if one option is more popular than the other. And either way. Novabus isnt just "part" of Volvo, its 100% owned by Volvo, so much so that you could merge both Novabus and Prevost, call it "Volvo Buses North America" and nothing would change. And I bet 80% of everything inside a Novabus LFS is Volvo tech, especially the chassis, which i bet is probably a  Volvo B9L chassis modified to fit North American Standards. Im just rambling, but you get the point. Since Volvo owns Novabus, they could just make their own engine the standard for all new LFSs if they want, it doesnt matter is Cummins is the most popular amongst transit companies

[2044]

5 hours ago, Bus_Dealership said:

And I bet 80% of everything inside a Novabus LFS is Volvo tech, especially the chassis, which i bet is probably a  Volvo B9L chassis modified to fit North American Standards.

It’s not.

 

5 hours ago, Bus_Dealership said:

Since Volvo owns Novabus, they could just make their own engine the standard for all new LFSs if they want, it doesnt matter is Cummins is the most popular amongst transit companies

Probably should read this again:

On 9/20/2023 at 1:07 PM, Bus_Medic said:

If they were going to, they would have by now.

 

[Bus_Medic]

I was going to post a lengthy rebuttal, but what’s the F’ing point anymore?

I think I’ve invested the correct amount of time into debunking this talking point.