Nova Bus LFS (all models)

[Bus_Medic]

6 hours ago, Doppelkupplung said:

Anyone know the official technical name of the arms on which the airbags are mounted on?

Walking beam.

 

[Doppelkupplung]

33 minutes ago, Bus_Medic said:

Walking beam.

 

muchas gracias

[dre]

https://www.masstransitmag.com/safety-security/article/21288158/fta-issues-safety-advisory-for-nova-bus-steering-gearbox-bolt-failure

[John Sulu]

I do know that when cars got a redesign sometime in 2009, they were 2010 models, but when the Novabus LFS got a redesign in the middle of 2009, were any of the newer designed Novabus LFS' delivered and/or made in 2009 still 2009 models, not entirely 2010 models while the previous designed Novabus LFS' delivered and/or made in 2009 were also 2009 models?

[Transit Apologist]

2 hours ago, John Sulu said:

I do know that when cars got a redesign sometime in 2009, they were 2010 models, but when the Novabus LFS got a redesign in the middle of 2009, were any of the newer designed Novabus LFS' delivered and/or made in 2009 still 2009 models, not entirely 2010 models while the previous designed Novabus LFS' delivered and/or made in 2009 were also 2009 models?

As far as I know, most 2009-built 3rd-generation Nova Bus LFS models are indeed 2009 models, such as the 3rd gens delivered to Coast Mountain Bus Company (which can be verified by checking their drivetrain specifications - CMBC’s 2009 LFS diesels used EPA 2007 Cummins ISL’s and ZF Ecomat 4’s, both of which were not available on 2010 LFS due to the introduction of the ZF Ecolife and the EPA 2010-certified Cummins ISL9). Additionally, the LFS page on the CPTDB Wiki reports that the 3rd-generation design was actually first introduced in 2007, but was not standard on all LFS until sometime in 2009. Therefore it would not be the same as introducing a new car model in Fall 2009 for the 2010 model year, as the 3rd-generation LFS was technically not actually a brand-new model.

(Generally bus manufacturers are actually more likely to do the opposite of what car manufacturers do in that respect. For example, New Flyer once gave 2006 VIN’s to D40LF’s built in early 2007 for Calgary Transit, possibly to avoid incoming EPA 2007 regulations although that’s just my theory.)

[John Sulu]

2 hours ago, JK-from-YYC said:

As far as I know, most 2009-built 3rd-generation Nova Bus LFS models are indeed 2009 models, such as the 3rd gens delivered to Coast Mountain Bus Company (which can be verified by checking their drivetrain specifications - CMBC’s 2009 LFS diesels used EPA 2007 Cummins ISL’s and ZF Ecomat 4’s, both of which were not available on 2010 LFS due to the introduction of the ZF Ecolife and the EPA 2010-certified Cummins ISL9). Additionally, the LFS page on the CPTDB Wiki reports that the 3rd-generation design was actually first introduced in 2007, but was not standard on all LFS until sometime in 2009. Therefore it would not be the same as introducing a new car model in Fall 2009 for the 2010 model year, as the 3rd-generation LFS was technically not actually a brand-new model.

(Generally bus manufacturers are actually more likely to do the opposite of what car manufacturers do in that respect. For example, New Flyer once gave 2006 VIN’s to D40LF’s built in early 2007 for Calgary Transit, possibly to avoid incoming EPA 2007 regulations although that’s just my theory.)

Were any 2009-built 2nd-generation Novabus LFS models 2009 models as well?

[Transit Apologist]

1 hour ago, John Sulu said:

Were any 2009-built 2nd-generation Novabus LFS models 2009 models as well?

Indeed they were, although it appears that 2009 second-generation buses were not common outside Quebec.

[John Sulu]

12 minutes ago, JK-from-YYC said:

Indeed they were, although it appears that 2009 second-generation buses were not common outside Quebec.

When the Orion VII OG got redesigned sometime in 2007 with the new version known as the Orion VII NG, were the 2007-built Orion VII OGs and the 2007-built Orion VII NGs BOTH 2007 models as well meaning that NOT all redesigned/restyled Orion VII NGs in 2007 were 2008 models?

 

I am asking this because I do know that when cars got redesigned sometime in 2007, they were 2008 models as well as that the 2008 school buses for my school district were delivered in 2007.

[G.A]

2 hours ago, John Sulu said:

Were any 2009-built 2nd-generation Novabus LFS models 2009 models as well?

Guelph and Brampton seem to be the only ones that have the 2009 Second Gens. Unsure if there are any others outside Quebec.

[John Sulu]

13 minutes ago, G.A said:

Guelph and Brampton seem to be the only ones that have the 2009 Second Gens. Unsure if there are any others outside Quebec.

Did the Orion VII get redesigned in 2007 without entirely calling it a new model year like 2008?

[G.A]

9 minutes ago, John Sulu said:

Did the Orion VII get redesigned in 2007 without entirely calling it a new model year like 2008?

The Orion VII NG. 

[John Sulu]

15 minutes ago, G.A said:

The Orion VII NG. 

Were the Orion VII OGs built in 2007 and the Orion VII NGs built in 2007 BOTH 2007 models?

[T3G]

14 hours ago, John Sulu said:

Did the Orion VII get redesigned in 2007 without entirely calling it a new model year like 2008?

 

14 hours ago, John Sulu said:

Were the Orion VII OGs built in 2007 and the Orion VII NGs built in 2007 BOTH 2007 models?

The only way to answer this question is to refer to the VINs of the buses.

https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Orion_Bus_Industries_VII_NG_'7_VINs'

https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Orion_Bus_Industries_VII_'7_VINs'

[Bus_Dealership]

On 12/13/2022 at 6:36 PM, John Sulu said:

Were the Orion VII OGs built in 2007 and the Orion VII NGs built in 2007 BOTH 2007 models?

why are you asking this in a novabus thread lol

i was about to call you the no no word but i dont want to be banned so ur lucky

[JCL]

Nova Bus to close the bus production facility in Plattsburgh, New York.

https://www.volvogroup.com/en/news-and-media/news/2023/jun/news-4571491.html

[Glennwood Road Ent.]

6 hours ago, JCL said:

Nova Bus to close the bus production facility in Plattsburgh, New York.

https://www.volvogroup.com/en/news-and-media/news/2023/jun/news-4571491.html

By 2025, is this due for financial issues from many years ago? 

[FlyerD901]

8 hours ago, JCL said:

Nova Bus to close the bus production facility in Plattsburgh, New York.

https://www.volvogroup.com/en/news-and-media/news/2023/jun/news-4571491.html

Wow. New flyer must really be happy. You'd think there'd be more opportunity and a burger market in the US compared to Canada. Then again, Nova survived on the Canadian market exclusively for years. 

[ns8401]

17 hours ago, FlyerD901 said:

Wow. New flyer must really be happy. You'd think there'd be more opportunity and a burger market in the US compared to Canada. Then again, Nova survived on the Canadian market exclusively for years. 

Gillig will also be thrilled.

[Frozen Yogurt]

17 hours ago, FlyerD901 said:

You'd think there'd be more opportunity and a burger market in the US compared to Canada. Then again, Nova survived on the Canadian market exclusively for years. 

The article says the reason is for continued financial loss over the years. Makes sense to me at least, given the meagre amount of (true American) orders Nova has gotten in the states over the past years. Basically, Chicago, New York (and perhaps San Antonio in Texas) seem like the only major systems to have gone all out on Nova. Plattsburgh acts more often as St-Eustache #2 to fulfill Canadian orders. Then, also there's the fact that Nova basically missed out the first wave of electric bus orders, because they're only about half a decade behind Flyer.

Well, and Prevost went back to Quebec already.

The only reason Nova survived on Canadian market alone is because they have a guaranteed supply of Quebec orders. Nova develops products to suit the local political climate (for which they do a great job, tbh); Flyer has to be innovative to fend for itself.

At least, my 2 cents.

[FlyerD901]

I get that. And I doubt Quebec will let Nova go under. 

Flyer won't be able to keep up with demand on electric orders. And I assumed Nova could pick up the slack, but unfortunately that's not the case. Then again what do I know. 

I remember nova talking smack when Orion went under, and took credit for it. Now 10 years later, Nova going under in the states.

A lot of times closures come out of nowhere. I'd be curious to see what happens to nova in Canada in the near future, if anything happens . 

3 hours ago, ns8401 said:

Gillig will also be thrilled.

Less competition for everyone. But I'm sure BYD and Proterra see room for growth 

[Mind_the_gap]

Just wondering…

Are the Airdrie, Alberta LFSAs the only Nova artics in Canada without a centre door, ie. as many American agencies order them?

Photo by @LRT

Second, are the Transit Windsor (Ontario) LFSes the only Novas with 3/4 / 1/4 front doors that (occasionally) exist in the United States?

Photo from CPTDB Wiki

(Edited to include images.)

[MiExpress]

6 hours ago, TTC_1203 said:

Just wondering…

Are the Airdrie, Alberta LFSAs the only Nova artics in Canada without a centre door, ie. as many American agencies order them?

Photo by @LRT

Second, are the Transit Windsor (Ontario) LFSes the only Novas with 3/4 / 1/4 front doors that (occasionally) exist in the United States?

Photo from CPTDB Wiki

(Edited to include images.)

1. Yes

2. Not at all; nearby to Detroit both Lansing and Ann Arbor have Nova buses with the 3/4 1/4 front door arrangement. 

[UpLift Vancouver]

On 7/7/2023 at 10:23 AM, TTC_1203 said:

Second, are the Transit Windsor (Ontario) LFSes the only Novas with 3/4 / 1/4 front doors that (occasionally) exist in the United States?

Far from it... TransLink (Vancouver, BC) was the first agency to specify them like that in 2007. Hamilton also has them on their CNG Novas, as does Calgary.

[tomsbuspage]

On 7/7/2023 at 1:23 PM, TTC_1203 said:

Second, are the Transit Windsor (Ontario) LFSes the only Novas with 3/4 / 1/4 front doors that (occasionally) exist in the United States?

On 7/7/2023 at 7:49 PM, MiExpress said:

2. Not at all; nearby to Detroit both Lansing and Ann Arbor have Nova buses with the 3/4 1/4 front door arrangement. 

10 hours ago, UpLift Vancouver said:

Far from it... TransLink (Vancouver, BC) was the first agency to specify them like that in 2007. Hamilton also has them on their CNG Novas, as does Calgary.

Not to mention all of Quebec's major transit agencies purchasing their buses through the ATUQ consortium (Gatineau, Laval, Levis, Longueuil, Montreal, Quebec City, Saguenay, Sherbrooke, and Trois-Rivieres).

[Mind_the_gap]

3. Are there any other TAs in Canada/the United States that have Novas with ”Quebec-style” sliding windows? Sarnia is the (only?) anomaly in Ontario:

Source

Then there are exo’s Novas around Montreal being a rarity in Quebec with tip-in windows, and 1/2 / 1/2 front doors:

Source