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Last time I saw 12-088 was during museum day and it had a red sticker that said it was sold to some company and it was sitting at the far end of the Anjou CT lot with other sold buses.

Last time I saw 12-088 was on the 102 Somerled during a full blown winter storm in December 2008!

That really sucks! :) Have any idea where exactly these buses are sitting retired?

Nope.

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And now for some good MCI news.

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MCI Watch

07 / 30 / 09

  • 11-040 on the WB 110 at Metro Angrignon at 14:00. Ayeobe and I wanted to show the three Ottawa guys (the two Mikes & Trav) a good time, so we got on and had a pleasant ride ;). We also discovered that the rear was was grafted off of 11-066, since we could see the outline of of a pair of sixes under the rear fleet number.
  • Our MCI Classic riding continued with recently repainted 12-072 on the EB 460 at Gare Dorval at 15:45. Another great ride on another great bus :).
  • Recently repainted 12-067 Hors-Service and deadheading SB on St. Michel near Metro St. Michel at 16:55.

All three sound and look great :)!

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Thur, July 30th

12-072 460W 0843

12-009 0000 0930

11-040 110W 1359 has 11-066's back (as mentioned)

12-072 460E 1535

12-067 --HS 1652

So i got 12-072 on the 460W this morning, at 0840-1000, and took it back E at 1535 to St-Michelle

Freakin Sweet

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Removing 12-008 from the list as it actually got retired and sent to Youville today!

That really sucks. What abad way to end July! So only 40 remain... :lol:

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7/31/09

  • 12-096 as 193X at Cremazie/Christophe Colomb at 8h29
  • 12-056 as Hors-Service going Eastbound on the A40 at ~8h40
  • 11-035 doing 113 Westbound at Angrignon Metro at 17h02

All sound good and look good! :(

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First STM bus I ever rode if I may add. ;)

And 4th? lol

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Ah man... why cant they just retire the 1st gens first?

Btw is there any idea about the rust underneath the older classics? The driver of 12-072 mentioned that it may be because they're rusted underneath.. Any solid evidence they may be retireing some for that, or is it they're obsession with new shit?

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And 4th? lol

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Ah man... why cant they just retire the 1st gens first?

Btw is there any idea about the rust underneath the older classics? The driver of 12-072 mentioned that it may be because they're rusted underneath.. Any solid evidence they may be retireing some for that, or is it they're obsession with new shit?

Just like any vehicle in Quebec. Years of corrosive salt in the city streets have taken their toll on the frames of all our buses, and this is the only reason in most cases why buses are retired. The GM Classics were retired en masse because of rust issues, a lot of the time not visible on the outside, but the frames were rusted out and not just Montreal had problems the first few years with GM's.s The mechanical aspects were always solid, but the frames wore out after only 5 years in service, and those that were rebuilt stayed in service the longest. A lot of our 59's & 60's and 11's & 12's were made too solid, which explains why they're going on 20 years and why a lot of them had never even been rebuilt, ever, and some are just getting their first coat of paint or first bit of rust removed after 18 years! And 60-013 that had a rough 1st life was rebuild to original specs, and is still in service going strong as ever. Imagine if more were rebuilt after 12 years, we'd have MCI's for 25 years or more and still looking great!

55-001 is an example of a bus that was rebuilt by the STM just before it was retired, unfortunately it had been sitting around for years after in a damp field waiting to be restored, so the rust probably returned, which is why it must have taken a lot of work to clean up. I have pictures underneath of 55-001, it's not pretty.

According to some mechanics, they are retiring the buses when they risk becoming unsafe. 59-058 was solid as a rock ,but the transmission was failing for almost a year, and they must have finally decided to retire it because of that, or it had failed altogether. This bus was original spec from MCI, and the last white-stripe classic in service. And 60-060 was supposed to remain in service because it had a strong body, not a spec of rust on the outer frame, but an over zealous mechanic was trying his best to have this bus retired and refused to do a brake job on it, and chose to mark it as retired instead. And the story about 60-071, a bus they wanted to keep in service, but sadly was removed because of a rusting frame.

So I imagine it's a case by case basis when they choose to retire a bus. The only time I can see them retiring buses because they want something new is when they have a huge new order coming in and you see a bunch of retired buses lining the entire lot. Lasalle doesn't seem to be that type. They've kept 60-013 through thick and thin, and they even transferred their 12's rather than retire them like some garages would do. I'm sad though that there are no 12's at Lasalle anymore, since I haven't seen one in weeks now just making my trips to downtown and back.

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Mont-Royal, according to a driver, is getting a bunch of classics. Hence 13-041 and two other classics on the 45 past 2200h!

We may wana fan all routes served by Mont-Royal in the future, no?! BTW is 13-041 considerd a reg. Service bus? It ran untill the end of service on the 27, i think, last night.. It was awesome.

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FYI:

List of Active 12s

Effective August 3rd, 2009

12-003 SL (Recently repainted; has SPSL stickers)

12-005 LE (Has SPSL stickers)

12-009 SL

12-011 SL

12-012 AN (Recently repainted)

12-013 SL

12-020 LE

12-025 SD

12-029 AN

12-031 AN

12-032 AN

12-040 AN

12-042 AN

12-046 FR

12-047 AN

12-053 FR

12-056 FR

12-062 AN (Recently repainted)

12-064 MR (Recently repainted)

12-065 MR

12-067 MR (Recently repainted)

12-072 LE (Recently repainted)

12-073 LE

12-074 LE

12-075 LE

12-078 FR

12-080 AN

12-081 SD

12-082 MR

12-083 SD

12-084 AN

12-085 AN

12-086 AN

12-090 LE

12-092 LE

12-096 LE (Recently repainted)

12-097 LE

12-099 LE (Nova Bus Classic prototype; recently repainted)

12-100 LE

12-101 LE

Total: 40

That should be about right, I think. Corrections are always welcome.

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FYI:

List of Active 12s

Effective August 3rd, 2009

That should be about right, I think. Corrections are always welcome.

What was the point of reposting the exact same master list of active 12's that I already posted and update on a regular basis!?

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How was that 'testy'!? I simply only asked a question.

No worries, mate. I forgot about the master list(s) on Page 1. Apologies for the error. It won't happen again B).

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MCI Watch

08 / 04 / 09

  • 12-078 on the WB 29 at Metro Joliette at 15:45. I took a look at the builder's sticker and apparently, 12-078 was built in November '92, and its VIN is 2AUYT82J0N3000301.
  • 12-053 Hors-Service & deadheading EB on Hochelaga past Metro Joilette at 16:00.
  • 11-076 on the NB 467 at Metro Joliette at 16:25.
  • 11-055 on the WB 85 at Metro Joliette at 16:30. Got on and rode it to Metro Frontenac. Awesome bus, awesome ride B). Thanks to Ayeobe for the tip :). This was the last 11 that I didn't have pictures of, and thanks to that tip, I was able to get not only the pictures I wanted, but also a ride and a video as well. Walalalalala :P!
  • 11-072 parked with some other buses (all LFS) in the employee parking lot at Frontenac.

All of the above look and sound great :D!

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Your quite welcome, Mr Mark!

Tues, Aug 4th

12-012 0000 0756 Headed East on Sherbrook

12-040 189S 0744

12-029 460W 0833 Rode it. It has a Novabus Corporation builders plate.. Odd

@Joliette

12-078 029W 1230

@Honore-Beaugrand

11-055 085E 1511

12-032 141E 1513

12-053 --HS 1559

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Your quite welcome, Mr Mark!

Tues, Aug 4th

12-012 0000 0756 Headed East on Sherbrook

12-040 189S 0744

12-029 460W 0833 Rode it. It has a Novabus Corporation builders plate.. Odd

@Joliette

12-078 029W 1230

@Honore-Beaugrand

11-055 085E 1511

12-032 141E 1513

12-053 --HS 1559

You sure you saw 12-029 and not 12-099? 12-099 is a real Novabus and it's an one digit typo so...

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