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Today, Muni PCC #1051 (ex SEPTA painted in the modified Wings livery) was welcomed back in a ceremony and will reenter service on Saturday after the car was rebuilt all the way in Pennsylvania. The car is actually the second rebuilt car to have been returned, but the first car (1056) hasn't entered service yet (but will in the next couple weeks).

Five more cars are off property and two of them should be returning in the next could weeks as well.

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5538 at woods in its new paint scheme 

In a post-ETI world... it felt nostalgic to stumble on this money shot while organizing my collections:  

On September 7, 2019 the ETIs officially retired. Due to battery issue the remaining 46 units were pulled out of service. I will miss these buses a lot...Probably the most unique buses in the muni fle

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New Muni light rail trains prepare to enter service

SAN FRANCISCO — The first two light rail trainsets built by Siemens for San Francisco’s Muni Metro are now testing after being delivered in January, with seven more units to be delivered this summer and expected to be in service by fall.

The two-car trains, built at Siemens’ Sacramento, Calif., plant, are part of an order for 175 placed in September 2014 at a cost of $648 million. An additional 40 of the two-car units, designated as S200 SF by the manufacturer, were ordered in mid-2015. 

Muni says the first 64 S200 trains will enable expansion of service — on the Central Subway extension of the T Third Line, scheduled to open in 2019 — and permit longer trains to operate. The current light rail equipment, built by Ansaldo-Breda, often operates in pairs, while up to five of the Siemens trainsets will be able to operate together. The remaining 151 trains on order will replace the Ansaldo-Breda fleet, which entered service between 1996 and 2002.

The Central Subway, a 1.7-mile underground line with four stations, will connect the Caltrain commuter rail station with the city’s Chinatown district.

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2017/03/22-new-muni-light-rail-trains-prepare-to-enter-service

First of 16 rebuilt MUNI PCCs returns to service

SAN FRANCISCO — The first of 16 Presidents' Conference Committee streetcars rebuilt by the Brookville Equipment Corp. for MUNI will return to service Saturday, March 18, on the city's F-Line.

Streetcar No. 1051, which is painted in MUNI’s 1960s-era green and cream scheme, will be readied for service following a brief ceremony dedicating the car to former San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk on Wednesday. 

“We are proud to welcome this streetcar back into Muni service fully restored, rebuilt and ready for action,” says Ed Reiskin, SFMTA Director of Transportation. “The Harvey Milk streetcar honors the memory of Supervisor Milk. His legacy is well-known and this permanent exhibit honors his life and draws additional attention to his efforts to improve Muni and make San Francisco a better place to live.”

No. 1051 arrived in San Francisco late in 2016 after an extensive rebuild at Brookville Equipment Corp. in Brookville, Pa.,, that included new axles, upgraded wiring and a complete motor rebuild. The entire rebuild project is expected to cost $31.5 million. Rick Laubscher, president of the non-profit Market Street Railway that supports the operation of historic streetcars in the city, tells Trains News Wire that streetcar No. 1056, painted in tribute to Kansas City’s historic streetcars, will be the next rebuilt PCC to return to service in the coming weeks. 

Several of the more than 30 PCCs MUNI operates are painted in tribute to American cities that used streetcars in the past. Of the 16 cars that are currently being rebuilt by Brookville, three will come back in brand new tribute schemes representing St. Louis, Baltimore, and Pittsburgh. A fourth car, No. 1059, which is painted for the Boston Elevated Railway, is also returning in a more historically accurate shade of orange. 

MUNI operates historic streetcars on its F and E lines that connect the Castro neighborhood with the city’s waterfront.

 

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2017/03/16-first-of-16-rebuilt-muni-pccs-returns-to-service

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Looks like the ETI buses will be gone, but not until the end of 2019.

(quote)Muni’s oldest, clunkiest buses — responsible for nearly half of all daily breakdowns — are on their way out, after a vote by San Francisco’s transportation board Tuesday.

And by 2019 all of those “trolley buses,” so named for their twin electric poles, will be replaced by 185 new buses manufactured by New Flyer Inc. for $244 million after the San Francisco Municipal Transportation voted to extend a contract with New Flyer Inc. on Tuesday.(unquote)

Source: http://www.sfexaminer.com/munis-worst-clunker-buses-replaced-big-price-tag-244m/

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Travelling to San Francisco Oct 3rd-8th. Looking at the F-line eye candy and cable cars but am wondering if MUNI brings out their historic fleet on certain days. Also if there's any privately owned high floors that are driven around occasionally that may make an appearance. Any insight is appreciated.

 

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2 hours ago, Billster8724 said:

Travelling to San Francisco Oct 3rd-8th. Looking at the F-line eye candy and cable cars but am wondering if MUNI brings out their historic fleet on certain days. Also if there's any privately owned high floors that are driven around occasionally that may make an appearance. Any insight is appreciated.

 

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The historic buses will only be out on Sept. 9-10th sadly. I have a few friends that own some ex-Muni & other bay area buses, but I'm not sure what their schedules will be since not much will be going on until about a week or so after you leave (bus roadeos mostly). I'm not gonna be in town around that time either.

Usually one of the Ex-Muni 1999 NABI 416's (8016 or 8044) show up at Fleek Week since they've been converted into ambulance buses. https://fleetweeksf.org/

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MUNI might be very interested in Dayton's NextGen dual-mode trolleys - with a 15-mile off-wire range! Assuming the buses would be convertible to plug-in and/or fast charging and the trolley poles would be removable, wouldn't that be the perfect transition to autonomous, emission-free transport?

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18 hours ago, Transit geek said:

MUNI might be very interested in Dayton's NextGen dual-mode trolleys - with a 15-mile off-wire range! Assuming the buses would be convertible to plug-in and/or fast charging and the trolley poles would be removable, wouldn't that be the perfect transition to autonomous, emission-free transport?

Gillig would not build the bodies that's for sure. Also our XT60's can already go off wire for quite a while.

The article states fully electric without wires....

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MUNI is one the last transit authority to operate refurbish Presidents' Conference Committee Streetcar and other old streetcars thru out the world in regular service.

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42005062654_b1acb7a874_z.jpg1051 by Blue Bus Fan, on Flickr

42005063114_7a6d6a7d81_z.jpg1056 by Blue Bus Fan, on Flickr

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On ‎5‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 11:49 PM, MAX BRT said:

SF Muni commits to all electric bus fleet by 2035.

"by 2035 we will be able to provide an all-electric fleet that won’t require overhead wires."

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/05/20180516-muni.html

There seems to be a bit of a contrast between what Ms. Brinkman said (wire-free electric by 2035) and what Mr Haley said (in effect Battery Electrics not yet proven on heavy duty/hilly routes).  I keep on emphasising this question: why would a pure battery bus fleet be better that a battery-trolleybus fleet either in terms of performance or costs? The new trolleys that are arriving NOW in San Francisco are really battery-trolleybuses with In Motion Charging ("IMC"). Experience elsewhere shows you can have a route where only 50% of the route runs under trolley wiring. The bus then branches out under battery power and then comes back onto the network and recharges there. The trolleys recharge their batteries in motion so they don't need 10 -20 minutes wasted time charging at terminals. So San Francisco could increase its existing electric fleet by converting suitable diesel routes using these IMC battery-trolleybuses.

The total Muni trolley fleet will be about 275. If they opted to replace these with battery buses using fast chargers at terminals, they would need to spend about $120 million dollars on DC rapid chargers. Why spend that when you already have an existing power system that just costs regular maintenance?

 

On ‎5‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 12:48 AM, Transit geek said:

MUNI might be very interested in Dayton's NextGen dual-mode trolleys - with a 15-mile off-wire range! Assuming the buses would be convertible to plug-in and/or fast charging and the trolley poles would be removable, wouldn't that be the perfect transition to autonomous, emission-free transport?

Why would you take the poles off? The whole point of the NextGen trolleybuses is that they charge while running under the existing wires then they can run beyond the wires on an extended route, say 7 km outbound and 7 km back to the wires. No long wait for a recharge at the terminal. Using In Motion Charging from the existing trolley wire avoids having to spend money on expensive charging stations.

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10 hours ago, UpDownAcross38 said:

Hi all, this is my very first post on this page. I really love the older buses, but I figured I show my pictures of the brand new XT40s at Islais Creek.IMG_4574.thumb.jpg.7b2eaa21c7bf34327f6a40363665e9ea.jpg

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Thanks. Muni is one of the most fascinating transit systems in the world. It would be great if this page on Muni could get some regular comments.

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