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On the agenda for the January 31 Public Works Committee Meeting:

RECOMMENDATION

(a) That pursuant to Procurement Policy #11 – Non-competitive Procurements, Council approve the single source procurement for the purchase of up to twenty (20) sixty-foot (18m) Compressed Natural Gas-powered articulated buses;

(b) That the Acting General Manager, Public Works Department be authorized to negotiate, enter into and execute a Contract and any ancillary documents required to give effect thereto with New Flyer Industries, in a form satisfactory to the City Solicitor.

According to the report this order is for full replacement of the remaining DE60LFR buses and at that point all artics in the HSR fleet will be CNG powered. The project budget is estimated at $24 million so assuming staff are able to obtain a proposal from NFI that falls within that budget they will order all 20 buses requested.

https://pub-hamilton.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=306806

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1 hour ago, MiExpress said:

On the agenda for the January 31 Public Works Committee Meeting:

RECOMMENDATION

(a) That pursuant to Procurement Policy #11 – Non-competitive Procurements, Council approve the single source procurement for the purchase of up to twenty (20) sixty-foot (18m) Compressed Natural Gas-powered articulated buses;

(b) That the Acting General Manager, Public Works Department be authorized to negotiate, enter into and execute a Contract and any ancillary documents required to give effect thereto with New Flyer Industries, in a form satisfactory to the City Solicitor.

According to the report this order is for full replacement of the remaining DE60LFR buses and at that point all artics in the HSR fleet will be CNG powered. The project budget is estimated at $24 million so assuming staff are able to obtain a proposal from NFI that falls within that budget they will order all 20 buses requested.

https://pub-hamilton.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=306806

Will this be this year or next year?

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On 7/15/2008 at 7:21 PM, Seashore_518203 said:

HSR 8251 was a Flxible Metro (not a Grumman 870) that was bought used from COTA (Central Ohio Transit Authority) in Columbus, Ohio. In Columbus, it was # 8165.

As Sherman mentioned, HSR was just experimenting with different ideas to solve the severe bus shortage that existed in the mid 1990's. New Orion low floors were on order since 1993, but as we all know, they were not delivered until 1999. With the NDP government legislating that all new bus purchases had to be low floor, transit systems were really restricted in what they could order for new buses. The 900's, 7700's and 7900's were not getting any younger and HSR was cancelling work due to equipment shortages.

When 8165 was purchased, it underwent a complete refurb at HSR. The bus was bought late in 1993, but did not enter service until mid 1994. It lasted in service until approximately late 1999 and was put in storage at that time. The engine (8V-71) survived and was put into one of the HSR artics. I think it was 8203 but I am not positive on this.

This bus is still around and is up at the Hamilton Airport. It is used by the Airport Fire department as a training unit. It is barely visible if you are driving down Airport Road, west of the Airport. It is on restricted ground at the airport and it is almost impossible to get pictures of it nowadays. The attached shots were taken in June of 2004 when I was allowed permission to go and inspect the vehicle at the request of movie producers who wanted to use the bus for "Riding the Bus with my Sister". In the photos, you can see the fire truck escort that I had to view the bus.

The experiment was found to be too costly and the bus ended up being the only one of it's kind in Hamilton.

Kevin

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Do these buses still exist?

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Anyone else notice the filth on HSR Buses? Salt crusted all over black finger marks on the trim, Dirty seats. 

Do they not clean these buses everyday? It hasn't snowed in over a week and there is inches of salt on the floor. 

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1 hour ago, Shaun said:

Anyone else notice the filth on HSR Buses? Salt crusted all over black finger marks on the trim, Dirty seats. 

Do they not clean these buses everyday? It hasn't snowed in over a week and there is inches of salt on the floor. 

Obviously not Shaun...

How do you expect hundreds of buses to get cleaned every night? Its winter time too. Salt travels, just like dust and sand in the summer.

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2 hours ago, ORION said:

Obviously not Shaun...

How do you expect hundreds of buses to get cleaned every night? Its winter time too. Salt travels, just like dust and sand in the summer.

If the TTC can clean those subway cars everyday and keep them clean so can HSR if they wanted to. 

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Salt and dirt accumulates much more on outdoor surface vehicles than it does inside subway trains since people are literally stepping right in off the street. Not really a fair comparison. Winter is just really harsh on buses, it doesn't help that Hamilton doesn't plow sidewalks which means even more salt, snow and dirt is pulled into the buses than in some other cities.

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14 hours ago, hamilton.area.transit said:

Where is 0610 and 0615 been? I know they have been dealing with frame issues but someone said it would take 6 months for them to be fixed. Its been over 6 months for 0615 and approaching 6 months for 0610.  

HSR is operating reduced schedules now which means there are extra vehicles available in the fleet. There is not a priority to fix the 15 year old artics. In May, all routes will return to normal schedules except 51 will be cancelled which means they will still have sufficient vehicles available to provide service on the street.

Even though new artics are on order, worldwide supply problems means they will most likely be delayed until 2023. HSR will have to make a decision for September service levels and whether or not to fix 0610 and 0615 by that time.

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9 hours ago, Seashore_518203 said:

HSR is operating reduced schedules now which means there are extra vehicles available in the fleet. There is not a priority to fix the 15 year old artics. In May, all routes will return to normal schedules except 51 will be cancelled which means they will still have sufficient vehicles available to provide service on the street.

Even though new artics are on order, worldwide supply problems means they will most likely be delayed until 2023. HSR will have to make a decision for September service levels and whether or not to fix 0610 and 0615 by that time.

Ok so 0610 and 0615 wont return until 2023? Am i getting that correct?

 

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1 hour ago, hamilton.area.transit said:

Ok so 0610 and 0615 wont return until 2023? Am i getting that correct?

 

Hes saying they may make a return to service September 2022 if service levels demand it. Till then they're not needed.

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