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Other then the subtle improvements from 2015-2016, surely the HSR would have to bring about much more improvements so they cajn be ready for the LRT. I am uncertain if their City Council has put more funding into it to do so. Or, if they have slashed funding away which would be very counter-productive and ridership-draining move.
Are there any updates on those such improvements, if there are going to be any?

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Common sense says to me that the biggest improvements to service can't happen until a new garage is built. There is literally zero room for expansion buses at the MTC. I'm going to guess thats why more of the 04 and 05 D40LF's were retired than anticipated so the new Nova's are replacement instead of expansion.

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2 hours ago, Wonka said:

Common sense says to me that the biggest improvements to service can't happen until a new garage is built. There is literally zero room for expansion buses at the MTC. I'm going to guess thats why more of the 04 and 05 D40LF's were retired than anticipated so the new Nova's are replacement instead of expansion.

What about buying some land around the garage, or even building a new garage on Wentworth that can be used by DARTS as well.

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2 hours ago, Wonka said:

Common sense says to me that the biggest improvements to service can't happen until a new garage is built. There is literally zero room for expansion buses at the MTC. I'm going to guess thats why more of the 04 and 05 D40LF's were retired than anticipated so the new Nova's are replacement instead of expansion.

No, the fleet stayed at 251 because the 2017 service budget, which included 5 expansion vehicles, has still not been approved by Council at this point. If approved, the 5 expansion buses will now come out of the 2017 order.

As for a new garage, a study is currently going on to determine a new possible location. There is still hope that a new garage will be finalized and built within 4-5 years.

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 Is the HSR testing new vinyl sticker advertisement for the inside of the nova buses? Unless this was a sticker that was over top of the panel when the bus was delivered, and they forgot to take it off.

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6 hours ago, Hybrid0920 said:

 Is the HSR testing new vinyl sticker advertisement for the inside of the nova buses? Unless this was a sticker that was over top of the panel when the bus was delivered, and they forgot to take it off.

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That's a protective sheet for that panel. They are normally removed before the bus enters service, but I guess they forgot about that one.

 

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Since the budget doesn't allow for any other funding for new buses, the 10-year Transit Expansion will be delayed by one year. It also means that the annual fare increase, at .10 cents would be put off, too.

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20 hours ago, newflyerinvero said:

Since the budget doesn't allow for any other funding for new buses, the 10-year Transit Expansion will be delayed by one year. It also means that the annual fare increase, at .10 cents would be put off, too.

Given that ridership goes down with every improvement, not doing anything might actually turn things around. 

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Isn't "not doing anything" exactly what the HSR has been doing for the past 20 years though?

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On 3/26/2017 at 7:01 PM, Mishap said:

Given that ridership goes down with every improvement, not doing anything might actually turn things around. 

I'm in belief that once the public heard of the big bus expansion over 10 years, they were expecting quite big things to happen every year. It's those expectations that weren't met that probably had the riding public in Hamilton to then leave the bus altogether. Certainly I think the HSR has been wanting to do great things with their transit network especially with the LRT in a matter of 7 or so years. The symptom of the passengers' expectations and what they've seen or not seen if you will from the HSR has been, in my mind, one of the bigger factors for stagnant ridership levels. And of course, there's the Mountain Transit Garage. That alone has prohibited the ability to allow for more buses for expansion. As long as there's just that one garage, good luck on that.

At least the good news is that the annual fare increase would be held off until next year for the next wave of improvements.

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9 hours ago, JRM1000 said:

In other news, I have yet to see 1642 and 1643 in service and I am trying to get official confirmation on what is retiring next.

1642 and 1643 should enter service on Monday (or Tuesday). Buses 0505 and 0517 are the last two retirements.

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1 hour ago, JRM1000 said:

1520 appears to have passenger counting devices installed. Not sure of any others that do.

1504 to 1524 and 1421 to 1424 have the passenger counting devices. I heard they are only temporary. 

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14 hours ago, Hybrid0920 said:

1504 to 1524 and 1421 to 1424 have the passenger counting devices. I heard they are only temporary. 

No, they are not temporary. That would not make any sense whatsoever. Those fleet numbers are correct.

As part of the recently announced PTIF, the rest of the fleet will be getting APC units as well.

As for the retired 04s and 05s, they are not going to scrap in Burlington. They have been getting auctioned off at the facility on highway # 6, south of the 401. The Burlington scrapper only has the contract for CNG buses and there will not be any of those retired for at least 10 years.

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I saw at least four (4) retired D40LF buses sitting at MTB Transit Solutions in Milton this afternoon. I assume they'll rebuild them and try to sell them.

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11 minutes ago, orionbus said:

I saw at least four (4) retired D40LF buses sitting at MTB Transit Solutions in Milton this afternoon. I assume they'll rebuild them and try to sell them.

They were quite successful with the 1997 Novas from HSR and OC, and the mid-2000s D40LF is a better quality bus than the first-generation LFS was.

One issue could be the resale market in the next few years - with the PTIF funding program in place, many agencies are getting lots of capital money to purchase brand-new buses. I would imagine this would make it difficult to find buyers for 12 year old buses for at least the next few years.

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20 minutes ago, Articulated said:

They were quite successful with the 1997 Novas from HSR and OC, and the mid-2000s D40LF is a better quality bus than the first-generation LFS was.

One issue could be the resale market in the next few years - with the PTIF funding program in place, many agencies are getting lots of capital money to purchase brand-new buses. I would imagine this would make it difficult to find buyers for 12 year old buses for at least the next few years.

There are municipalities that have started opting out from the Metrolinx TPI. Oakville is one of them going forward. Its not as cheap as its supposed to be. 

There are also plenty of private operators and smaller systems who can benefit from these types of buses. MTB has many customers/relations in the USA, and have done plenty of second hand business there.

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Having come from the meeting, I can confirm that the ERS was passed 10-5, with an extension to Eastgate being the provision. 

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On 4/27/2017 at 0:56 AM, Chris W said:

Having come from the meeting, I can confirm that the ERS was passed 10-5, with an extension to Eastgate being the provision. 

The extension hinges on them "finding savings" to pay for it, which they won't find... until just before the provincial election.  Then, surprise, the money will be there.

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