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Heck I'll be happy if we get the LRT just because the plan calls for a minor modification of the #4 Bayfront that would help me lots. Where it would skip Nash between Barton/Queenston and go to Eastgate. Missed so many connections going into Stoney Creek at night for work. Been a lot better lately though as we seem to have regular drivers on the Bayfront for the past 8 or so months. I believe the night driver I get is named Katherine (Catherine?). She's awesome and one of the most plesant drivers I've encountered. She's helped improved my connections greatly. Also the day driver has been great to for keeping an eye out for our Bee-line coming from Eastgate in the morning. Even if I've missed those...the other drivers have been really kind. A huge improvement over where the Bayfront was just 2-3 years ago.

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That is true. In reality, the King and Barton load factors should be 130 or 140% due to the above average number of walkers, scooters, etc. However, that would also mean more buses and that is always a hard sell with the politicians in this city.

The earlier comment about Mayor Brattina is not true. He has actually been a pretty good supporter of transit.

I didnt Dis Bratina, I've known him for over 22yrs, used to go to school with one of his kids..

Bob has been a big proponent of transit even before he was Mayor, he was one of the ones internally, that convinced the owners of the CHML building, to not tell HSR to move the stop thats in front, as well as the 6 stop on the west side of the building..

All I said is that the political antics regarding HSR, have been happened LONG BEFORE Bob ever got into Politics..

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I don't want to be rude nor harsh, but I think in that situation, given that it was a city in which you might not have been farmilar with, people whom were more farmilar with the City of Hamilton as well as the HSR (including the head schedule technologist) was putting forth the $ side of operating transit and so on. I didn't see that as not playing nice - rather putting out the difficulties in managing a system wtih x number of buses, etc. I really hope you didn't see it that way but was just frustrated in how your suggestions weren't viewed the same way as yours. Mind you, if I was to suggest similar suggestions for London or Windsor and I didn't have any farmilarity with it, I'd probably get the same treatment to understand by taking some buses away in one area then to put others in another area would have certain residents pissed or happy, etc. Let's all patch this up and move forward, shall we?

Thank you. For your (and everyone else's) information, I am VERY familiar with Hamilton, having lived there a number of years ago. I am also curious to know which member is the head schedule technologist? If they were truly putting forth the money side of it, they would have understood my reasoning behind the elimination of the Cannon route... It may not be a popular change, but it is somewhere that resources could be better used.

I tried to patch it up a while ago, but I'm still not sure what on earth was happening. I created a list of route suggestions complete with maps and asked for suggestions and comments. Suddenly everyone started complaining that I had "removed" so much service from so many places when I had only removed service in one area (Cannon). I started making comments like "Please look at the maps" or "if you had actually looked at the maps" because I was being blamed for removing so many things (east Barton, Stoney Creek, Dundas, etc.) when I hadn't removed them at all, but instead improved them.

I do have two suggestions when it comes to HSR. Granted I haven't ridden that system as much as Burlington, but there are two routes in which I think could use some touching up. The 1-King and 5-Delaware but, with subtle modifications.

With the 1...would it be feasible in having the 1 King start and end all of its trips from McMaster? Understanding the 1A-King operates there during the day at roughly 12-minute headways, would a 7-day-a-week service with the 1-King be beneficial by with all riders that would be around Mac and area, espeically during the school year?

It's definitely feasible, but it will add cost unless something else is decreased. If the city is willing to deal with this cost, it is definitely feasible, and less confusing for riders.

Secondly, I know that the 5-Delaware route can be viewed as the most difficult route to understand with branches becoming different numbers or letters going the other way. I'm looking at a more simplistic approach.

5-Delaware/Dundas (From Head Street to Jones/King)

It would travel along the current routing in the west end in Dundas and through downtown as it currently does. The only difference I could see here is that it'd head east from downtown through those neighbourhoods east of Gage Avenue but to go through both the Greenhill & Rosedale loops before terminating at Jones & King. Head west through those same two loops (Rosedale & Greenhill). The route number would stay the same and I think the destination sign could at least be more managable with Delaware/Dundas. Not quite certain on the headways but I suppose 15 minutes during the day.

If you do this, it makes a milk-run route -- something I got blasted for in my suggestions for the 43. Two spurs (Rosedale and Jones or further) I think would work well since it would only be one branch letter.

Route 15 - Dundas/Eastgate

This route would serve Pirie/Governors in the west in Dundas and go along as it would currently go to downtown. It would stay on Main Street East to Upper Ottawa or Kenilworth and head along King East to Centennial and Eastgate. Head west the opposite way, with the same consistant route number of 15.

My thoughts on this are that it is duplicating the 1/1A for a good portion of the route, thus taking away from the 10/10A and making things a tad confusing for people on Main/King. I like the idea of serving King East directly off of Main, however, but if it can be done without significant duplication, I think it will be better.

With the 5 and 15 suggestions, what I'm concerned about is how it'd effect the 58 - Stoney Creek Local. Would they change the way people take the 58 to King and Queenston via King East, or could they take the new 15 (or 44) and transfer at King Street East to the modified 5 to Jones and King?

I had suggested to merge the 5 and 58 which would eliminate the direct connection to Eastgate from that portion of Stoney Creek. I still think people will be willing to transfer buses as long as they don't have to wait more than 5-10 minutes for the connection, but the fewer transfers the better.

I like your ideas but I have some tweaks to make.

Route 5 Delaware/Dundas

With your new route 15 idea I would get rid of the Jones and KIng loop altogether as it's covered by the rt 58. Can't please everyone, they could transfer at Centennial or Eastgate Square. Have the 5E to Quigley and Greenhill become the regular 5 and keep the Rosedale branch the 5A, keeping them both separated in the east end. But same concept you have to Dundas. The 5C is discontinued, see route 51.

I like this suggestion of 5/5A as well, but I know from the Translink people I know that it's best to have busy terminals at each end of routes. My new thoughts are to have the 5 go to Eastgate Square, and of course to McMaster. The 5A spur to Rosedale seems to work the best. I am still hesitant to duplicate service on King/Main to Dundas, but I guess it would work. Are there enough people riding from east of the downtown into Dundas to justify it? This was the reason I suggested the truncation of the 52 at the GO Centre. I do like the discontinuation of the 5C in favour of the 51, :-).

Route 15 Dundas/Eastgate

I'd run it through Maplewood Delaware and Stinson. Everything else is good.

I don't mind this link for Dundas, but again only if there is enough demand from east of the downtown to Dundas. The HSR report seemed to indicate there was not.

Route 51 West Hamilton

Since the 5C and 51 share identical routing to West Ham loop merge the 2 together and have the new 51A extended to Meadowlands. Of course if this were to happen the 51 would have to run all year.

My 0.02

This, of course, makes tonnes of sense, but it will be hard to convince people that the 51 is a better routing for this. I was blasted on using the 51 in a similar manner, and I'm still not sure why.

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I like this suggestion of 5/5A as well, but I know from the Translink people I know that it's best to have busy terminals at each end of routes. My new thoughts are to have the 5 go to Eastgate Square, and of course to McMaster. The 5A spur to Rosedale seems to work the best. I am still hesitant to duplicate service on King/Main to Dundas, but I guess it would work. Are there enough people riding from east of the downtown into Dundas to justify it? This was the reason I suggested the truncation of the 52 at the GO Centre. I do like the discontinuation of the 5C in favour of the 51, :-).

But the 15 would go to Eastgate Square, we don't need both the 5 and the 15 going there. The 15 would be the Jones and King replacement whereas the new 5 would be the Quigley/Greenhill loop. And don't kid yourself that 5E is a busy loop, far busier then the Jones/King one. The majority off passengers board West of Centennial.

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But the 15 would go to Eastgate Square, we don't need both the 5 and the 15 going there. The 15 would be the Jones and King replacement whereas the new 5 would be the Quigley/Greenhill loop. And don't kid yourself that 5E is a busy loop, far busier then the Jones/King one. The majority off passengers board West of Centennial.

Ah, ok. I misunderstood your wording for the route. You are correct. I had originally suggested that Quigley be covered with Route 43 down to Eastgate, but I'm wondering if it would be worth it to duplicate service here since the demand is a little higher. So run the 43 and 15 through it?

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I'd like to see more service along mt,albion, rather than more down quigley, or at least more along from greenhill/albright/quigley/king/nash/queenston/eastgate.

The low income areas along mt,albion need a better alternative, than the bloody awful trip it currently takes to get to limeridge mall or ancestor areas or anywhere west of the 11 route, I have friends that live on the 11, its a sack of crap at best, it takes my friend Donna & her 2 kids (one in a wheelchair), 2 hours to get to limeridge..

forget about even travelling anywhere on sundays or at night, its just not safe.

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How does it take 2 hours to get to Limeridge? If you look up your schedules and time things out, it's a simple hop up to valley park to catch the 43 and it shoots you right over to Limeridge. That's really not too bad at all and I've never had a problem with the connection at Valley Park. I do agree that the frequency of the Parkdale route blows, though.

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Ah, ok. I misunderstood your wording for the route. You are correct. I had originally suggested that Quigley be covered with Route 43 down to Eastgate, but I'm wondering if it would be worth it to duplicate service here since the demand is a little higher. So run the 43 and 15 through it?

I'm looking at your 11 and 43 idea and immediately I see an issue with the 11. Given that the original 11 would have to be longer in your plan, currently, there are 3 areas that can back it up and make it way late.

A) CPR rail crossing at Hixon Road;

B: CNR Crossing @ Parkdale;

C) Burlington Canal Lift Bridge.

All three of these circumstances can massively delay the 11 as is. It's best to keep the 11 as is and have it connect with the 43 around Mud Street & area.

There was a suggestion within a report for plans to take the 21 to Heritage Green. Would it be a good idea to take the 11 and connect with it? If there was someone who was wanting to get the 21 and are on the 11 heading around Mud Street/Stone Church, he/she would need to get off the 11 at Winterbury (is that the street)?, walk along Stone Church and into wherever the 21 would loop around to get it. Not saying the walk would be problematic, but it could be a good idea to have a direct connection in there.

Now, in suggesting that, it'd remove the 11 from the loop around Valley Park. Could that area be served by the 43 alone?

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I came across recently retired HSR 9919 last week parked at the Hamilton EMS station at Burlington and Victoria in Hamilton. It looks like the bus is being used as a rescue training vehicle as there are several dummies in and around the bus, including a stretcher.

I snapped a bunch of photos if anyone wants to check them out. See more here.

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I'm looking at your 11 and 43 idea and immediately I see an issue with the 11. Given that the original 11 would have to be longer in your plan, currently, there are 3 areas that can back it up and make it way late.

A) CPR rail crossing at Hixon Road;

B: CNR Crossing @ Parkdale;

C) Burlington Canal Lift Bridge.

All three of these circumstances can massively delay the 11 as is. It's best to keep the 11 as is and have it connect with the 43 around Mud Street & area.

My route 11 didn't even go up Parkdale -- just Beach to Eastgate. I had the 4 doing the route along Parkdale and Mount Albion. With this, it would provide much more service on Mount Albion, like a previous poster suggested. I had originally suggested that the 43 and 11 interline, but that was refuted by many on here as an inconvenience to passengers for some reason. I think the link between the 43 and 11 combines parts of what are now routes 11 and 43 into one routing. Yes it's long, but there could be some layover at Eastgate if required.

There was a suggestion within a report for plans to take the 21 to Heritage Green. Would it be a good idea to take the 11 and connect with it? If there was someone who was wanting to get the 21 and are on the 11 heading around Mud Street/Stone Church, he/she would need to get off the 11 at Winterbury (is that the street)?, walk along Stone Church and into wherever the 21 would loop around to get it. Not saying the walk would be problematic, but it could be a good idea to have a direct connection in there.

This link would work too, but it would be a bit convoluted I think.

Now, in suggesting that, it'd remove the 11 from the loop around Valley Park. Could that area be served by the 43 alone?

Of course it could be served by the 43 alone. If the data in the HSR report (IBI??) is correct there is very low ridership in that area.

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I'd like to see more service along mt,albion, rather than more down quigley, or at least more along from greenhill/albright/quigley/king/nash/queenston/eastgate.

The low income areas along mt,albion need a better alternative, than the bloody awful trip it currently takes to get to limeridge mall or ancestor areas or anywhere west of the 11 route, I have friends that live on the 11, its a sack of crap at best, it takes my friend Donna & her 2 kids (one in a wheelchair), 2 hours to get to limeridge..

forget about even travelling anywhere on sundays or at night, its just not safe.

I don't understand, do none of your friends know what schedules are? Every time you tell a story of them and their non planned adventures on the bus you make it sound like it's the worst case scenario. From Mount Albion to Paramount is 10 minutes on the 11 and another 25 minutes roughly to Lime Ridge on the 43. Even if you factor them missing a Stone Church bus it still only takes an hour. You don't even live in this province anymore, stop whining about stuff that doesn't affect you, it's getting old.

And can you explain how traveling on evenings or Sundays isn't safe? I'm sure everyone would like to hear why....

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I don't understand, do none of your friends know what schedules are? Every time you tell a story of them and their non planned adventures on the bus you make it sound like it's the worst case scenario. From Mount Albion to Paramount is 10 minutes on the 11 and another 25 minutes roughly to Lime Ridge on the 43. Even if you factor them missing a Stone Church bus it still only takes an hour. You don't even live in this province anymore, stop whining about stuff that doesn't affect you, it's getting old.

And can you explain how traveling on evenings or Sundays isn't safe? I'm sure everyone would like to hear why....

Doesnt affect me? Really?

MY FAMILY live there 902, my FRIENDS live there 902, I GREW UP there 902..

btw, if you think its so safe, then YOU blindfold yourself, become a disabled woman, become a person in a wheelchair, THEN make your comments, wait at the parkdale stop at king or queenston late at night or on a sunday night, when there's very little transit..

whining? thats YOUR perception, your blantant hatred of me makes me laugh..

I'm sorry if you take it as whining, just cause you cant stand me.. Take your blantant hatred & shove it somewhere useful, it dont work on me..

I'm only out of province due to a situation, that you could never comprehend..

Hamilton happens to be MY hometown, I AM concerned..

My friend Tracey, has to be at work near Limeridge mall for 8:45am, Mon-Thurs, she has to leave her place by 6:45am, to catch the bus @ 7am.. BUT often due to traffic & route issues, her 7:45 parkdale bus is late & misses the 43 by a few minutes, making her have to wait for the next bus, therefore she needs to take the earlier bus just to be on time for work, it will get her there 40 minutes early for work, but as her daughter goes to the highschool nearby, shes usually ok with this..

, She finishes at 7pm on Weekdays, she invaribly tries to get off early so she can catch the 7:24pm 43, but this happening is very rare.. So her route is 41/1 or 5E/11, taking the 7:46, 41 via Ottawa, it gets to main at 8:05, shes runs into 711 for a coffee, then gets either the 8:08 or 8:15 1 King, then she gets the 8:28, 11 @parkdale, shes arrives home for 8:45pm

Sundays she has to be at work by 11am, & is done at 11pm..

She takes the 9:32, 11, it gets to VPL usually 5-6 minutes late its supposed to be there for 10:13, so then she misses the 10:13, 43, so she instead takes the 9:32, which will get her to VPL @ 9:44, then she takes the 10:13, 43 to Limeridge, making it on time for work..

Coming home she has to do a different routing as she misses the last 43 for sunday nights.

she takes the 11:15, 41 via Ottawa, then takes the 11:32, 1 King to parkdale, then takes the 11:38p, 11, (if she misses it, she has to take the 12:25am =, 11), getting home around 12am or if she has to take the last one, 12:45am..

Tracey has 2 Daughters, 1 is in a wheelchair & is legally blind ( 1 currently goes to W Ross Macdonald School for the Blind in Brantford), the girls are 12 & 15..

Tracey is also a single mom, making it even more intresting.

So as you can see, its a rough ride sometimes, I had meant to say, "up to a 2 hour ride" As if her shifts change & she's put on afternoons or overnights, it is almost a 2 hour ride home..

I'd like to see better times connections both ways at VPL, between the 43 & 11, but it is hard, as the 11 is nearly always late northbound, ( I have friends that drive that route a lot)..

I also would love to see the layover at LRM a few minutes, instead of only scheduling 1 minute at most times..

902, I have many friends in Hamilton, that ask me about the schedules everyday, & have had me teach them how to read the schedules that I am very well up to date on the happenings in Hamilton, also the section on the website for Visually impaired/blind customers was developed by people that I worked closely with before I moved here to the HRM, I am hopefully going to be coming home in 1-3 yrs..

I also am fully trained as a O&M teacher for the blind, as well as an accessibility advocate, for both people in wheelchairs & those who are Blind or legally blind, thats partly why I came here to the east coast, was to finish my degree..

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Doesnt affect me? Really?

MY FAMILY live there 902, my FRIENDS live there 902, I GREW UP there 902..

btw, if you think its so safe, then YOU blindfold yourself, become a disabled woman, become a person in a wheelchair, THEN make your comments, wait at the parkdale stop at king or queenston late at night or on a sunday night, when there's very little transit..

whining? thats YOUR perception, your blantant hatred of me makes me laugh..

I'm sorry if you take it as whining, just cause you cant stand me.. Take your blantant hatred & shove it somewhere useful, it dont work on me..

I'm only out of province due to a situation, that you could never comprehend..

Hamilton happens to be MY hometown, I AM concerned..

Your family and friends live here but you no longer do, therefore it does not directly affect you.

I do think Hamilton is safe, I've lived in the east end my entire life. In fact I went to Sir Winston Churchill for high school which is around the corner from Queenston and Parkdale. I'm not saying problems never happened but if your not looking for trouble it doesn't usually find you.

I never once said I have blantant hatred towards you, don't put words in my mouth.

Tracey has 2 Daughters, 1 is in a wheelchair & is legally blind ( 1 currently goes to W Ross Macdonald School for the Blind in Brantford), the girls are 12 & 15..

Tracey is also a single mom, making it even more intresting.

So as you can see, its a rough ride sometimes, I had meant to say, "up to a 2 hour ride" As if her shifts change & she's put on afternoons or overnights, it is almost a 2 hour ride home..

I'd like to see better times connections both ways at VPL, between the 43 & 11, but it is hard, as the 11 is nearly always late northbound, ( I have friends that drive that route a lot)..

I also would love to see the layover at LRM a few minutes, instead of only scheduling 1 minute at most times..

I'm not saying it isn't always a challenge as the 11 has many factors along the route that can affect the schedule, like the lift bridge or the RR crossing on Parkdale. But I don't count the getting to the destination 40 minutes early part of the trip time, that's misleading. It's unfortunate that she has to plan it that way but there's not a lot that can be done. Maybe the route should be split so the local service isn't affected by the bridge.

I liked the layover at Valley Park better then Burlington too, it's too bad that changed. I know why it was changed but I wont say it on here.

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Your family and friends live here but you no longer do, therefore it does not directly affect you.

I do think Hamilton is safe, I've lived in the east end my entire life. In fact I went to Sir Winston Churchill for high school which is around the corner from Queenston and Parkdale. I'm not saying problems never happened but if your not looking for trouble it doesn't usually find you.

I never once said I have blantant hatred towards you, don't put words in my mouth.

I'm not saying it isn't always a challenge as the 11 has many factors along the route that can affect the schedule, like the lift bridge or the RR crossing on Parkdale. But I don't count the getting to the destination 40 minutes early part of the trip time, that's misleading. It's unfortunate that she has to plan it that way but there's not a lot that can be done. Maybe the route should be split so the local service isn't affected by the bridge.

I liked the layover at Valley Park better then Burlington too, it's too bad that changed. I know why it was changed but I wont say it on here.

A lot of my driver friends used to complain bitterly about the Burlington layovers, still do infact, especially the ones that are late at night..

I'm moving back to the hammer as fast as we can afford it..

Could be as early as October..

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Route 99-Waterfront Shuttle will have expanded service this weekend (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) due to the Tall Ships Festival at Pier VIII. Service will start 1 hour earlier than normal (9 AM) and finish three hours later than normal (12 midnight). As well, the service will be increased to every 15 minutes and will use articulated buses due to the large crowds expected at the Festival.

There will also be a parking lot shuttle in the area (Bayfront Park, Eastwood Park, Strachan Street, etc.) which will utilize one of the replica trolley buses.

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Artic 926 has received its third set of interior LED lights. They are the identical lights found in the 0800 and 0900 buses.

Seems as if the second sets of LEDs are failing as well..

Does anyone know if the lights are under warranty or is this costing the HSR?

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D40LF 0802 was seen as an extra bus on the 11-Parkdale this afternoon, helping out a very late bus in 0318. Two other XD40s were out. 0318 had to short turn around Queenston Road at about 3:45pm. 0318 was supposed to have been the 2:30pm departure from Burlington Terminal but arrived at around 3:10pm. 0802, being the 3pm scheduled departure, went through the terminal OOS, then started picking up passengers. According to the driver of 0318, she said that the driver of 0802 was helping her for about 1 and a half trips on the 11 and her bus was late when she had taken over from another driver.

Are C40LF's supposed to be out on Saturdays?

0210 was on 2-Barton while 0205 and 0208 were on 21 and 35 respectively.

A few other C40LFs were on Barton, too.

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Trans-Cab Coming to Binbrook

The community of Binbrook will soon be getting local transit … sort of. At a recent community meeting on June 25th it was announced, after a lengthy survey process in which nearly 1,000 surveys were completed, that Binbrook will receive Trans-Cab service on a trial basis.

Trans-Cab is a shared-ride taxi service between the Hamilton Street Railway and a local taxi provider. This service is already offered in portions of Glanbrook and Stoney Creek. Glanbrook Trans-Cab is offered by the HSR and Hamilton Cab in the urban portions of Glanbrook as an extension of HSR’s route 27 UPPER JAMES and route 35 COLLEGE. Stoney Creek Trans-Cab is offered by the HSR and Hamilton Cab in selected outlying areas of lower Stoney Creek.

Hamilton ward 11 Councillor Brenda Johnson welcomed residents to the Transit portion of the meeting and outlined the results of the door to door Transit Survey that was taken last summer.

Currently there are approximately 2,400 households within the Binbrook Village. 995 Transit Surveys were completed (41% of the households). Of the surveys completed, and of those who said they would use transit if available, 360 preferred Trans-Cab and 352 preferred shuttle.

As a result of this data HSR Transit Staff recommended a pilot “Trans-Cab” project for the Village of Binbrook at no cost to the residents (during the pilot project). The pilot will run for 6 months beginning in the fall. At the end of the pilot if there isn’t sufficient users for transit/Trans-Cab, the service will be cancelled. However, if the service is being used enough, then residents would be contacted again with real time costs associated with continuing with the Trans-Cab service.

The hours of service for Trans-Cab will be Monday to Friday from 6am to 10pm.

A final decision for permanent service will be made pending those results.

The Trans-Cab will take passengers from their home in Binbrook to to Rymal Road and Terry Berry Lane (just west of Wal-Mart) where passengers can transfer to 44 RYMAL service. For trips into Binbrook the passenger should inform the driver of the 44 RYMAL bus that a Trans-Cab transfer is needed.

Passengers can pay for their fare on board the HSR bus with either cash, ticket, pass or PRESTO and then add another 50 cents for Trans-Cab. The driver will then give the passenger a special Trans-Cab transfer. Tickets will be needed when using the service out of Binbrook.

What do you think? Do you live in Binbrook? Are you excited to finally be getting transit service in your community? Check out the following link to Councillor Brenda Johnson’s posting about the service.

- http://www.hamiltont...ng-to-binbrook/

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Bus 1101 has been equipped with an operator shield. It is the test unit to determine if other buses should receive the same modification. This is becoming somewhat common in the industry. TTC has most of their buses equipped with shields so I would expect it to continue in Hamilton.

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Are C40LF's supposed to be out on Saturdays?

0210 was on 2-Barton while 0205 and 0208 were on 21 and 35 respectively.

A few other C40LFs were on Barton, too.

From what I saw, C40LF's were out all weekend. There was an 03xx on the 21 on Saturday, an unknown C40LF on either the 33 or the 34 yesterday(spotted on Fennell, I was too far to get a #) and, right now, both 0305 and 0312 are on the 35. Could be whatever was first on the line, could be that they're running up the km's, who knows.

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From what I saw, C40LF's were out all weekend. There was an 03xx on the 21 on Saturday, an unknown C40LF on either the 33 or the 34 yesterday(spotted on Fennell, I was too far to get a #) and, right now, both 0305 and 0312 are on the 35. Could be whatever was first on the line, could be that they're running up the km's, who knows.

The 2002 units are the next ones to be retired. They hit that magic 12-year mark next year. Maybe this is making sure they have been "fully utilised" before they are replaced.

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