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10 hours ago, TRENT_TRANSIT_SYSTEM said:

Yes. Better buses last longer and attract ridership. People (citizens) are more important to me than dollars (bureaucrats).

If you aren't a bus fanner, you probably won't care if the bus cost $450k or $500k. You probably won't notice any difference unless it was pointed out to you

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On 5/15/2019 at 12:00 AM, Imgursdownvote4love said:

If you aren't a bus fanner, you probably won't care if the bus cost $450k or $500k. You probably won't notice any difference unless it was pointed out to you

Oh no, the reality is, in Hamilton people DO notice the ride and vehicle quality. I read the Spectator and watch CHCH and local news, and you'd actually be surprised that there have been stories about the lesser ride quality of the Novas. Just last week in the Spec, a reader wrote in to comment that the Novas make him "hang on for dear life" as he's tossed about on his way to McMaster. Another article spoke of the bad airflow in the summer and how the bumpy ride is making riders sick or wait for the next bus.

People notice, and people have suggested they will stop riding HSR if they get the chance.

On 5/14/2019 at 7:18 PM, Chris W said:

1. No it isn't. As I have explained, the fluttering is the CNG pressure release. It has nothing to do with the cooling fans. All CNG powered buses have that.

2. You obviously don't know how a procurement process works.

Nobody cares about procurement. Except maybe some people here. But people do care about the quality of their ride (buses). Procurement is no excuse for half-baked purchases.

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10 minutes ago, TRENT_TRANSIT_SYSTEM said:

Oh no, the reality is, in Hamilton people DO notice the ride and vehicle quality. I read the Spectator and watch CHCH and local news, and you'd actually be surprised that there have been stories about the lesser ride quality of the Novas. Just last week in the Spec, a reader wrote in to comment that the Novas make him "hang on for dear life" as he's tossed about on his way to McMaster. Another article spoke of the bad airflow in the summer and how the bumpy ride is making riders sick or wait for the next bus.

The fact of the matter is that....no, people really don't.

 

They may complain because that's what people do, but ultimately what is far, far, far more important is that the bus arrives when it should, that it has room for them (and preferably a seat), and that it takes them to where they want to go in a timely manner.

 

And before you try to argue against it,  you may want to consider that some of the people here work for the transit agencies in all manner of positions, and deal with exactly the type of things that we're talking about here. And in the grand scheme of things, the type of bus simply doesn't matter.


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21 hours ago, smallspy said:

The fact of the matter is that....no, people really don't.

 

They may complain because that's what people do, but ultimately what is far, far, far more important is that the bus arrives when it should, that it has room for them (and preferably a seat), and that it takes them to where they want to go in a timely manner.

 

And before you try to argue against it,  you may want to consider that some of the people here work for the transit agencies in all manner of positions, and deal with exactly the type of things that we're talking about here. And in the grand scheme of things, the type of bus simply doesn't matter.


Dan

And yet, riders do care, even if said employees don't care, cause riders AND drivers complain....and put in the time and effort to complian about and avoid HSR (and other agencies). A recent article in the Spec highlighted poor schedules and late/early but never on-time performance according to the writer. Another article from last summer lamented the lack of space and seating, and crowding due to wheelchairs/strollers taking up too much room, over heating, and poor layouts of some 40ft buses (referencing the "newer" buses at the time, being CNG Novas).

In reality, the type of bus does matter to many people, because the bus has to suit the city too, and be attractive to potential riders. The city can't be changed to suit the bus. I personally like driving Novas, but a number of customers have mentioned (particularly older riders), that Novas are too bumpy and wabbling, and that they feel less comfortable because of this. In Hamilton, the roads are AWFUL in some places, and that has nothing to do with NovaBus. With regards to the North American bus market, I still think NovaBus produces one of the best products available. However, in it's current design, other vehicles would better suit Hamilton's current requirements. Politics should not have a roll in bus purchases like it does right now... It's gumming things up, and it's not providing the best value for money to the public.

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