Orion VIII

King County Metro - Seattle, Washington

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^^ They have over 500 already, and over 500 new ones coming for the 'Transit Now' service expansion. They will also get new DE60LFRs, or D60LF BRTs between 2010 and 2013 for the Rapid Ride BRT service.

Is that King County Metro alone or the summary of all regional transit agencies such as Sound Transit, Pierce County Transit, etc.?

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Is that King County Metro alone or the summary of all regional transit agencies such as Sound Transit, Pierce County Transit, etc.?

King County Metro is ordering up to 715 New Flyer hybrid articulated buses. CTA of Chicago may get 150 of them, because Metro only wants 500 or so of them. King County approved a .1% sales tax for transit, raising it to .9%, and will introduce BRT in 5 corridors. 100 of the buses will be ordered for BRT service in 2009, and the rest will be for expansion and replacement of existing buses. 22 buses will be delivered in Spring 2008. Here is the article: King County Transportation Today, May 21, 2007.

Here is a rundown of the fleet:

2003 New Flyer D40LF 3600-3699 - 100 buses

2002 New Flyer DE60LF 2599 - 1 bus

2004 New Flyer DE60LF 2600-2812 - 213 buses

2008 New Flyer DE60LF 2813-2834 - 22 buses

2004 New Flyer D60LF 2870-2899 - 30 buses

1998-2000 New Flyer D60 2300-2573 - 274 buses

1996-1999 Gillig Phantom 40' 3200-3594 - 395 buses

1997 Gillig Phantom 35' 3185-3199 - 15 buses

1999-2000 Gillig Phantom 30' 1100-1194 - 95 buses

Trolleys:

2002 Gillig Phantom Trolley 4100-4199 - 100 buses

1990-1991 Breda Trolley 4200-4258 - 59 buses

Total buses (including 2008 deliveries) : 1304 buses.

It looks like they will be getting some DE60LFs. Hopefully they will get DE60LFRs, and the DE60LF BRTs. It looks like the new articulateds will possibly replace the 395 40 foot diesel Phantoms. This will be intersesting to see an articulated bus-majority fleet.

Sound Transit is looking for replacements for the Orion 5's and I think they will go with New Flyer. It looks like the area will get a lot of New Flyers. Pierce Transit and Community Transit are almost all-New Flyer, I think.

I saw that Pierce Transit has some C40LFRs, but I din't know how many.

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It looks like they will be getting some DE60LFs. Hopefully they will get DE60LFRs, and the DE60LF BRTs. It looks like the new articulateds will possibly replace the 395 40 foot diesel Phantoms. This will be intersesting to see an articulated bus-majority fleet.

From this set of data, the sum of artics is 699, already a slight majority of the fleet. Such a huge service area with only 1304 buses, KC must have very low spare ratio.

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King County Metro is ordering up to 715 New Flyer hybrid articulated buses. CTA of Chicago may get 150 of them, because Metro only wants 500 or so of them. King County approved a .1% sales tax for transit, raising it to .9%, and will introduce BRT in 5 corridors. 100 of the buses will be ordered for BRT service in 2009, and the rest will be for expansion and replacement of existing buses. 22 buses will be delivered in Spring 2008. Here is the article: King County Transportation Today, May 21, 2007.

Here is a rundown of the fleet:

2003 New Flyer D40LF 3600-3699 - 100 buses

2002 New Flyer DE60LF 2599 - 1 bus

2004 New Flyer DE60LF 2600-2812 - 213 buses

2008 New Flyer DE60LF 2813-2834 - 22 buses

2004 New Flyer D60LF 2870-2899 - 30 buses

1998-2000 New Flyer D60 2300-2573 - 274 buses

1996-1999 Gillig Phantom 40' 3200-3594 - 395 buses

1997 Gillig Phantom 35' 3185-3199 - 15 buses

1999-2000 Gillig Phantom 30' 1100-1194 - 95 buses

Trolleys:

2002 Gillig Phantom Trolley 4100-4199 - 100 buses

1990-1991 Breda Trolley 4200-4258 - 59 buses

Total buses (including 2008 deliveries) : 1304 buses.

It looks like they will be getting some DE60LFs. Hopefully they will get DE60LFRs, and the DE60LF BRTs. It looks like the new articulateds will possibly replace the 395 40 foot diesel Phantoms. This will be intersesting to see an articulated bus-majority fleet.

Sound Transit is looking for replacements for the Orion 5's and I think they will go with New Flyer. It looks like the area will get a lot of New Flyers. Pierce Transit and Community Transit are almost all-New Flyer, I think.

I saw that Pierce Transit has some C40LFRs, but I din't know how many.

WHOA! That's an awful lot of buses. The DE60LFs are popular with Canadians planning to check out the transit system.

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I saw a rusty steel pipe that

looked like an exhaustion pipe exposing itself under the lower abdomen on the

passenger side of the coach in front of the rear axle, however if I recalled

correctly, the diesel exhaustion pipe on original Breda was upper mounted,

exactly what kind of pipe it was remained unknown.

That would've been the sanders which were normally mounted behind the drive axle of those buses when they were Dual Modes. I guess it was not moved to the centre axle during the conversion to straight trolley since the centre axle is the only drive axle on those buses now.

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<SNIP>

The unfortunate Seattle

Waterfront streetcars were squeezed out of their domain in which their barn was converted for

condo development, it would be for a while before the real vintage street cars return.

The carbarn was actually replaced with a sculpture garden by the Seattle Art Museum. They are supposidly going to replace the carbarn with a mixed use devlopement, that incorporates the carbarn and a condo devlopement in Pioneer Square in a couple of years. Also the steel pipes you saw sticking out from under a breada were the wheel sanders. For many years Metro specified sanders on their new coaches, and the bredas came with them near the diesel drive train, as they were not needed for use in the transit tunnel.

i do hope they are DE60LFRs

althought some gilligs might be replaced with some arctics, i see D40LFR for Metro

http://www.soundtransit.org/Documents/pdf/...08SIP_Draft.pdf

look at page 125 for fleet listings

NEW BUSES FOR SOUND TRANSIT IN 2008

30 40ft Gilligs (9092-9121) doesnt say Phantom or Low Floor?

2 60ft New Flyers (9554-9555)

7 45ft MCI D4500s (9713-9719)

Sound Transit is buying 30 Gillig Phantoms (9092-9122) Ten of which are going to Community Transit, and the remaining 20, plus the 7 MCIs already delivered are going to Pierce Transit for replacement of the Orion V fleet. The 20 40' diesel coaches for 2013 will probally NOT be low floor coaches, as they are replacing C40LFs which have proved inadiquate for the suburban express service that Sound Transit Operates. I would expect these to be more Phantoms or another high floor semi-suburban.

King County Metro is ordering up to 715 New Flyer hybrid articulated buses. CTA of Chicago may get 150 of them, because Metro only wants 500 or so of them. King County approved a .1% sales tax for transit, raising it to .9%, and will introduce BRT in 5 corridors. 100 of the buses will be ordered for BRT service in 2009, and the rest will be for expansion and replacement of existing buses. 22 buses will be delivered in Spring 2008. Here is the article: King County Transportation Today, May 21, 2007.

Here is a rundown of the fleet:

2003 New Flyer D40LF 3600-3699 - 100 buses

2002 New Flyer DE60LF 2599 - 1 bus

2004 New Flyer DE60LF 2600-2812 - 213 buses

2008 New Flyer DE60LF 2813-2834 - 22 buses

2004 New Flyer D60LF 2870-2899 - 30 buses

1998-2000 New Flyer D60 2300-2573 - 274 buses

1996-1999 Gillig Phantom 40' 3200-3594 - 395 buses

1997 Gillig Phantom 35' 3185-3199 - 15 buses

1999-2000 Gillig Phantom 30' 1100-1194 - 95 buses

Trolleys:

2002 Gillig Phantom Trolley 4100-4199 - 100 buses

1990-1991 Breda Trolley 4200-4258 - 59 buses

Total buses (including 2008 deliveries) : 1304 buses.

It looks like they will be getting some DE60LFs. Hopefully they will get DE60LFRs, and the DE60LF BRTs. It looks like the new articulateds will possibly replace the 395 40 foot diesel Phantoms. This will be intersesting to see an articulated bus-majority fleet.

Sound Transit is looking for replacements for the Orion 5's and I think they will go with New Flyer. It looks like the area will get a lot of New Flyers. Pierce Transit and Community Transit are almost all-New Flyer, I think.

I saw that Pierce Transit has some C40LFRs, but I din't know how many.

Pierce Transit has 10 C40LFRs, 230-239. KCM has Options for up to 500 hybrid articulates, the 22 on order now, plus the 100 for RapidRide (The BRT) plus replacements for the D60 fleet, all 274 coaches, or whatever it works out to be with the RapidRide Coaches. They have not let a contract for replacement of the Phantom's yet, however that will be coming in the next year or so. The Replacements for the Sound Transit Orion Vs are the 7MCIs and 20 Gilligs i mention previously.

Is that King County Metro alone or the summary of all regional transit agencies such as Sound Transit, Pierce County Transit, etc.?

No, King County Metro Transit is the Transit Agency for King County and Seattle, WA. They are operated as part of King County. Sound Transit is an overlay agency ontop of parts of King, Pierce, and Shohomish Counties and contracts out to the transit agencies in those counties to operate their bus service, Sounder commuter rail is operated by BNSF, Central LINK light rail will be operated by King Co. Metro Transit, and Tacoma LINK light rail is actually ran by Sound Transit itself.

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Sound Transit is an overlay agency ontop of parts of King, Pierce, and Shohomish Counties and contracts out to the transit agencies in those counties to operate their bus service, Sounder commuter rail is operated by BNSF, Central LINK light rail will be operated by King Co. Metro Transit, and Tacoma LINK light rail is actually ran by Sound Transit itself.
Do you know if agencies like Skagit Transit and Everett Transit fall under the contracted services?

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Do you know if agencies like Skagit Transit and Everett Transit fall under the contracted services?

Skagit is outside the Sound Transit service area, and Everett Transit is a small agency without the resources to operate highway service, and there are no ST routes that operate solely in the city of Everett.

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Just happened to be watching the news from Seattle and all of a sudden they show what looked to be DE60LF #2663 that looks to be a complete write off after a fire. The bus looks totally gutted especially on the trailer section.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/loca...syndication=rss

You watch news from Seattle?

http://www.king5.com/video/featured-index.html?nvid=273327

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We do here, it's the western US feed that we get on digital cable.

This video might be another pro-trolley (and anti-hybrid) argument. Go to the :40 mark. I'm not sure if that is the battery console exploding, but I'm sure a bus with batteries is far more dangerous in a fire than one without.

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We do here, it's the western US feed that we get on digital cable.

This video might be another pro-trolley (and anti-hybrid) argument. Go to the :40 mark. I'm not sure if that is the battery console exploding, but I'm sure a bus with batteries is far more dangerous in a fire than one without.

Or it could be the tires as it has pressure.

Well, goodbye 1, 234 DE60LF remain on the road. And yes, it's scrap time!

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This video might be another pro-trolley (and anti-hybrid) argument. Go to the :40 mark. I'm not sure if that is the battery console exploding, but I'm sure a bus with batteries is far more dangerous in a fire than one without.

That's definately not a battery exploding, although one of the by-products of SLA batteries is hydrogen gas.

That was one of the earlier orders, with the batteries mounted on the roof on the back section. The explosion at the 40 second mark was from the front-half of the vehicle.

And if that's a pro-trolley argument, what do you make of the infamous E60 that pulled itself apart in San Francisco? Would that be pro-diesel?

Dan

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I wonder if they'll be adding another unit to the current order of 30 more DE60LFs for 2009.

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I have some powertrain questions for Community Transit.

New Flyer D60LF

238XX series is Series 50 EGR correct?

258XX series is CAT C9 correct?

278XX series is Cummins ISM or CAT C9?

Also have these series of D60LF buses gone with the Allison B500R like earlier orders?

2004-05 New Flyer D40i

Cummins ISL with Allison B400R?

2008 New Flyer D40LFR

Cummins ISL with Allison B400R?

2007 Alexander Dennis Enviro 500

Cummins ISM with Voith D864 or Allison B500R?

Any help is appreciated, thanks!

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I have some powertrain questions for Community Transit.

New Flyer D60LF

238XX series is Series 50 EGR correct?

258XX series is CAT C9 correct?

278XX series is Cummins ISM or CAT C9?

Also have these series of D60LF buses gone with the Allison B500R like earlier orders?

2004-05 New Flyer D40i

Cummins ISL with Allison B400R?

2008 New Flyer D40LFR

Cummins ISL with Allison B400R?

2007 Alexander Dennis Enviro 500

Cummins ISM with Voith D864 or Allison B500R?

Any help is appreciated, thanks!

278xx is CAT C9 engine, and for the Enviro 500 with ZF 6HP592 transmission~~

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I have some powertrain questions for Community Transit.

New Flyer D60LF

238XX series is Series 50 EGR correct?

258XX series is CAT C9 correct?

278XX series is CAT C9

Also have these series of D60LF buses gone with the Allison B500R like earlier orders?

2004-05 New Flyer D40i

Cummins ISL with Allison B400R?

2008 New Flyer D40LFR

Cummins ISL with Allison B400R?

2007 Alexander Dennis Enviro 500

Cummins ISM with ZF 5HP692

Any help is appreciated, thanks!

Thanks, can anyone confirm if the above info is correct.

Also does anybody know how many units are in the 2007 order of D60LF buses?

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http://www.commtrans.org/News/ServiceChange.cfm

according to the news from Community Transit, the Swift, the Seattle's first Bus Rapid Link, will start running in late November this year.

I thought at least it would start service next year. Also, because of the start of Swift, I think new buses may arrive Seattle soon.

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I saw one of the new coaches at KCM's South Base last week. It was just like the drawings on thier advertisments. It was a quick view and I didnt get a coach number.

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There was a SWIFT DE60LFA at South Base? I guess KCM is checking them out for the RapidRide that will start soon. I think RapidRide has been delayed though, it isn't mentioned in the service changes for the LRT start.

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KCM? King County Metro? hey, I am talking about Community Transit.

but, why is there a new coash at KCM south base?

I think even though LRT starts, this is not related to Community Transit.

You guys seem to misunderstand which transit I am talking about.:o

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