neopasturquoise Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 I went to the open house at noon and here is what I have: #399 B-Line (will be implemented in Spring 2010) Proposed stops: (Along 104 Ave) 152 St, 148 St, 144 St, 140 St, King George Hwy Then Surrey Central Station, (Along King George Hwy) King George Station, 96 Ave, 88 Ave, 76 Ave, 72 Ave (Newton Exchange), 64 Ave, Highway 10, South Surrey Park & Ride, 32 Ave, 152 St, (Along 152 St) 24 Ave, 17/18 Ave, White Rock Centre Proposed frequency: (PRETTY SURE) Every 7.5 min between Guildford and Newton Every 15 min between Guildford and White Rock Centre (I assume every second bus goes to White Rock Centre) Note: #394 will be discountinued #320 reduced service between Fleetwood and Surrey Central #321 reduced service between Surrey Central and Newton Exchange Community Shuttle #531 Langley < > White Rock (will be implemented in December 2009) Proposed route: From White Rock Centre: 152 St, 24 Ave, 192 St, 32 Ave, 200 St Two options: 1) to Langley Centre (via Logan) 2) to Willowbrook Proposed frequency: Monday - Friday 06:00 - 21:00 every 30 min Saturday 06:00 - 21:00 every 30 min Sunday & Holidays 06:00 - 21:00 every 30 min neopasturquoise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millennium2002 Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Cool... but the #399 and 531 both defy normal numbering conventions. xD Then again 256 defies the same. - Allan Kuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
323 Surrey Ctrl Stn Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Cool... but the #399 and 531 both defy normal numbering conventions. xDThen again 256 defies the same. - Allan Kuan And the 609 Chris Cassidy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nname Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 And the 609 Chris Cassidy And the C30, C74 at peak, and 214 off-peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millennium2002 Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 I'd kind of wonder if they should overhaul the numbering system somewhat, but that's probably going to bring this topic off-topic. - Allan Kuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nname Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 I'd kind of wonder if they should overhaul the numbering system somewhat, but that's probably going to bring this topic off-topic. My suggestions: C1 -> 139 C2 -> 137 C3 -> 102 C4 -> 108 C5 -> 114 C6 -> 117 C7 -> 115 C10 -> 270 C11 -> 271 (cliff), 272 (gardner) C12 -> 259 C15 -> 215 C19 -> 42 C20 -> 80 C21 -> 61 C22 -> 82 C23 -> 63 C24 -> 148 C25 -> 170 C26 -> 171, 173 (special) C27 -> 174 C28 -> 175 C29 -> 176 C30 -> 165 C36 -> 161 C37 -> 181 (cw), 182 (ccw) C38 -> 164 (coq), 184 (cw), 185 (ccw) C40 -> 188 C41 -> 711 C43 -> 713 C44 -> 714 C45 -> 715 C46 -> 716 C47 -> 717 C48 -> 722 C49 -> 721 C50 -> 355 C51 -> 353 C52 -> 358 C53 -> 356 C60 -> 520 C61 -> 521 C62 -> 507 C63 -> 523 C64 -> 524 C70 -> 525 C71 -> 317 C73 -> 328 C74 -> 337 C75 -> 322 C76 -> 318 C84 -> 603 (renumber portion of 603 to 602) C86 -> 606 (change routing of 606) C87 -> 607 C88 -> 608 (change routing of 608), 618 (reversed dir) C89 -> 605 (renumber boundary bay portion of 601 to 605) C90 -> 423 C92 -> 425 C93 -> 414 C95 -> 415 C96 -> 416 C98 -> 448 C99 -> 449 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neopasturquoise Posted May 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 C12 -> 259 There is actually #259 running during peak periods URL: http://www.westvancouver.ca/Residents/Level3.aspx?id=2214 My suggestions:C1 -> 139 C2 -> 137 C3 -> 102 C4 -> 108 C5 -> 114 C7 -> 115 C15 -> 215 C19 -> 42 C24 -> 148 C30 -> 165 C36 -> 161 C38 -> 164 (coq), 184 (cw), 185 (ccw) C48 -> 722 C49 -> 721 C50 -> 355 C51 -> 353 C52 -> 358 C53 -> 356 C62 -> 507 C71 -> 317 C73 -> 328 C74 -> 337 C75 -> 322 C76 -> 318 C89 -> 605 (renumber boundary bay portion of 601 to 605) C92 -> 425 C93 -> 414 C95 -> 415 I am not sure about this, but Translink does not reuse route numbers (#158 > #C35 > #177). Yes, there is an exception, which is #153 (the current #153 is totally different from the old #153). #C95 will be discontinued in Fall, so we will not see a change for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathay 888 Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 My suggestions:C1 -> 139 C2 -> 137 C3 -> 102 C4 -> 108 C5 -> 114 C6 -> 117 C7 -> 115 C10 -> 270 C11 -> 271 (cliff), 272 (gardner) C12 -> 259 C15 -> 215 C19 -> 42 C20 -> 80 C21 -> 61 C22 -> 82 C23 -> 63 C24 -> 148 C25 -> 170 C26 -> 171, 173 (special) C27 -> 174 C28 -> 175 C29 -> 176 C30 -> 165 C36 -> 161 C37 -> 181 (cw), 182 (ccw) C38 -> 164 (coq), 184 (cw), 185 (ccw) C40 -> 188 C41 -> 711 C43 -> 713 C44 -> 714 C45 -> 715 C46 -> 716 C47 -> 717 C48 -> 722 C49 -> 721 C50 -> 355 C51 -> 353 C52 -> 358 C53 -> 356 C60 -> 520 C61 -> 521 C62 -> 507 C63 -> 523 C64 -> 524 C70 -> 525 C71 -> 317 C73 -> 328 C74 -> 337 C75 -> 322 C76 -> 318 C84 -> 603 (renumber portion of 603 to 602) C86 -> 606 (change routing of 606) C87 -> 607 C88 -> 608 (change routing of 608), 618 (reversed dir) C89 -> 605 (renumber boundary bay portion of 601 to 605) C90 -> 423 C92 -> 425 C93 -> 414 C95 -> 415 C96 -> 416 C98 -> 448 C99 -> 449 C21 could combine with C23 and reverted back to route 1,~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nname Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 There is actually #259 running during peak periodsURL: http://www.westvancouver.ca/Residents/Level3.aspx?id=2214 I am not sure about this, but Translink does not reuse route numbers (#158 > #C35 > #177). Yes, there is an exception, which is #153 (the current #153 is totally different from the old #153). #C95 will be discontinued in Fall, so we will not see a change for this. The number I reused are the one that was converted to community shuttle without much routing change, otherwise we'll probably run out of numbers in the 100s. Other than those, I was tried to avoid re-using numbers that was used by a different route before (I know #82 was used before though). And also, #C12 can be seen as an extension of #259 as they follow exactly the same routing from Horseshoe Bay to Lions Bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millennium2002 Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Well... since the discussion has been started... I kind of wonder if TransLink should differentiate special peak hour branch services with letters (e.g. 100T 22nd Street Station via Trapp) - Allan Kuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathay 888 Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Well... since the discussion has been started... I kind of wonder if TransLink should differentiate special peak hour branch services with letters (e.g. 100T 22nd Street Station via Trapp)- Allan Kuan That's the very good idea, apparently Translink could make the prefix at the end of the route number for their branches, for example~~ 41 - Joyce Stn <-> UBC 41A - Joyce Stn <-> 41st @ Crown 41B - Joyce Stn <-> Dunbar Loop or the other example 100 - 22nd St Stn <-> Airport Stn 100A - 22nd St Stn <-> Airport Stn (via Trapp) 100B - 22nd St Stn -> Marpole (VTC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millennium2002 Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 I kind of used 100T as I wanted people to also recognize what the alternate routing or terminus is just by looking at the letter. Others could be (as examples): 22 Knight 22 Macdonald 22T (Macdonald via Terminal or Knight via Terminal) 9 Alma 9 Boundary 9G (Broadway to Granville) 9C (Broadway to Commercial) 9U (Broadway to UBC) 41 Joyce Station 41 UBC 41C Crown 41D Dunbar Loop - Allan Kuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
323 Surrey Ctrl Stn Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 I kind of used 100T as I wanted people to also recognize what the alternate routing or terminus is just by looking at the letter.Others could be (as examples): 22 Knight 22 Macdonald 22T (Macdonald via Terminal or Knight via Terminal) 9 Alma 9 Boundary 9G (Broadway to Granville) 9C (Broadway to Commercial) 9U (Broadway to UBC) 41 Joyce Station 41 UBC 41C Crown 41D Dunbar Loop - Allan Kuan The problem with all of this, people still don't read. You could put whatever you want on the sign and people will still ask the driver "Does this bus go to White Rock?" "Is this the number three bus?" "Do you go to Langley Center?". Though letters into the mix and all the transit riders in Vancouver will be confused. If you think old Chinese ladies, or old Indian ladies are confused now with the system, it would be 100 times worse with letters. Mister Cassidy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nname Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I kind of used 100T as I wanted people to also recognize what the alternate routing or terminus is just by looking at the letter.Others could be (as examples): 22 Knight 22 Macdonald 22T (Macdonald via Terminal or Knight via Terminal) You missed the: 22I Knight Industrial (from Downtown) 22M Macdonald to Mackenzie at 41st 22S Macdonald to 16th 22U Knight via Trouch 22D Downtown 41 Joyce Station41 UBC 41C Crown 41D Dunbar Loop 41T UBC via TRIUMF, Joyce Stn via TRIUMF 41O 41st to Oak 41G 41st to Granville Once you find out the different terminus for each route, you'll be amazed for how many different ones there actually are... This is the one I like: 160 Vancouver via Barnet 160 Port Coquitlam Stn via Barnet 160C Vancouver via Barnet, Clarke 160PC Vancouver via Barnet, Port Moody Stn, Clarke 160GC Vancouver via Guildford, Clarke 160PGC Vancouver via Guildford, Port Moody Stn, Clarke 160G Port Coquitlam Stn via Guildford 160PG Port Coquitlam Stn via Port Moody Stn, Guildford 160P Port Coquitlam Stn via Port Moody Stn, Barnet 160Q Coquitlam Stn via Guildford 160K Kootenay Loop They keep changing, and I think some of them doesn't exist anymore, but there should be at least 6-8 different routings at any given time. Hmm.. I wonder if we can simplify this a little bit... Oh, and Community Shuttles can get complicated too, like this one: C26 Port Moody Stn via Anmore C26 Belcarra via Anmore C26A Anmore (short-turned) C26B Belcarra (omits Anmore) C26B Port Moody Stn (omits Anmore) C26R Belcarra via Anmore, Ravine C26R Port Moody Stn via Anmore, Ravine C26RA Anmore via Ravine (short-turned) C26RB Belcarra via Ravine (omits Anmore) C26RB Port Moody Stn via Ravine (omits Anmore) C26S Butzen Lake (special) C26S Coquitlam Stn (special) Isn't this amazing? Consider this route has less than 30 regular round-trips per weekday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
translink Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) The problem with all of this, people still don't read. You could put whatever you want on the sign and people will still ask the driver "Does this bus go to White Rock?" "Is this the number three bus?" "Do you go to Langley Center?".Though letters into the mix and all the transit riders in Vancouver will be confused. If you think old Chinese ladies, or old Indian ladies are confused now with the system, it would be 100 times worse with letters. Mister Cassidy I'm with Chris on this one, if you put all kinds of letters at the end of the route numbers you're making it even more complicated. If it ain't broke don't fix it, think of all the times you've been on a bus and you've heard someone ask the driver "Do you go downtown?" "Is this the bus i take to get to the beach?" "Does this bus go to a skytrain station?" Doesn't anybody read the signs anymore. Now while I'm about to rant and ramble here but think about it, how often do you hear people asking if the bus your on goes somewhere and its listed on the sign? I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to ask if the bus was going somewhere; and that was because the driver had the sign saying something different, but that was during the days of the E901/E902's. Even now doesn't anyone see how on the D40's people are pushing on the centre of the doors thinking it will open when there's a sign that clearly says "STEP DOWN TO OPEN DOORS". And i think people remember when there was the final trolley trip last year how people were going single file because only one door was open. Its like having the routes go like this 112A New West STN 112B Lougheed STN 112C Edmonds STN Instead of 112 Edmonds Stn or 112 New West Stn, i actually like the old way of numbering things. Again as i've said "if it ain't broke don't fix it" My suggestions:C1 -> 139 C2 -> 137 C3 -> 102 C4 -> 108 C5 -> 114 C6 -> 117 C7 -> 115 C10 -> 270 C11 -> 271 (cliff), 272 (gardner) C12 -> 259 C15 -> 215 C19 -> 42 C20 -> 80 C21 -> 61 C22 -> 82 C23 -> 63 C24 -> 148 C25 -> 170 C26 -> 171, 173 (special) C27 -> 174 C28 -> 175 C29 -> 176 C30 -> 165 C36 -> 161 C37 -> 181 (cw), 182 (ccw) C38 -> 164 (coq), 184 (cw), 185 (ccw) C40 -> 188 C41 -> 711 C43 -> 713 C44 -> 714 C45 -> 715 C46 -> 716 C47 -> 717 C48 -> 722 C49 -> 721 C50 -> 355 C51 -> 353 C52 -> 358 C53 -> 356 C60 -> 520 C61 -> 521 C62 -> 507 C63 -> 523 C64 -> 524 C70 -> 525 C71 -> 317 C73 -> 328 C74 -> 337 C75 -> 322 C76 -> 318 C84 -> 603 (renumber portion of 603 to 602) C86 -> 606 (change routing of 606) C87 -> 607 C88 -> 608 (change routing of 608), 618 (reversed dir) C89 -> 605 (renumber boundary bay portion of 601 to 605) C90 -> 423 C92 -> 425 C93 -> 414 C95 -> 415 C96 -> 416 C98 -> 448 C99 -> 449 Thank you for listing the old route numbers. Some of which brought back some interesting memories. C3 -> 102C4 -> 108 I remember when I was a kid and i got fishbowls on that route. Then for a few months I remember riding an Orion II, then it went back to fishbowls. C24 -> 148 I miss the days when i would catch C40's in their clean air scheme, and the occasional classic with the same scheme. Yes they used to do that back then I think they were the old '89s. Then it became C40LF's with the clean air scheme. You missed the:22I Knight Industrial (from Downtown) 22M Macdonald to Mackenzie at 41st 22S Macdonald to 16th 22U Knight via Trouch 22D Downtown 41T UBC via TRIUMF, Joyce Stn via TRIUMF 41O 41st to Oak 41G 41st to Granville Once you find out the different terminus for each route, you'll be amazed for how many different ones there actually are... This is the one I like: 160 Vancouver via Barnet 160 Port Coquitlam Stn via Barnet 160C Vancouver via Barnet, Clarke 160PC Vancouver via Barnet, Port Moody Stn, Clarke 160GC Vancouver via Guildford, Clarke 160PGC Vancouver via Guildford, Port Moody Stn, Clarke 160G Port Coquitlam Stn via Guildford 160PG Port Coquitlam Stn via Port Moody Stn, Guildford 160P Port Coquitlam Stn via Port Moody Stn, Barnet 160Q Coquitlam Stn via Guildford 160K Kootenay Loop They keep changing, and I think some of them doesn't exist anymore, but there should be at least 6-8 different routings at any given time. Hmm.. I wonder if we can simplify this a little bit... Oh, and Community Shuttles can get complicated too, like this one: C26 Port Moody Stn via Anmore C26 Belcarra via Anmore C26A Anmore (short-turned) C26B Belcarra (omits Anmore) C26B Port Moody Stn (omits Anmore) C26R Belcarra via Anmore, Ravine C26R Port Moody Stn via Anmore, Ravine C26RA Anmore via Ravine (short-turned) C26RB Belcarra via Ravine (omits Anmore) C26RB Port Moody Stn via Ravine (omits Anmore) C26S Butzen Lake (special) C26S Coquitlam Stn (special) Isn't this amazing? Consider this route has less than 30 regular round-trips per weekday... After seeing that list, i got a migraine. And lots of people know I can be very confusing but that made my head spin. Edited June 19, 2009 by translink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nname Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Oh, here is another good one.. I took the 'S' branch twice and of both times, I'm the only person on the bus who actually take the correct bus... 351 Vancouver 351 Crescent Beach 351C Crescent Beach (omits White Rock Ctr) 351S to Steveston Hwy (omits White Rock Ctr) 351W White Rock Ctr (after Canada Line opens) 352V South Surrey (yes, this is not a typo.. note below) * a few trips on the 351 timetable will actually show up as 352, and the 'V' indicates that although the destination sign says South Surrey, those bus will actually go to Vancouver. Similar thing can also be found for some 601, which show up as a 602. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millennium2002 Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I can recognize the complaints arising from "translink" and "502 Surrey Ctrl Stn" and it's a sad fact that people don't read the destination sign. In many cases this can be linked to how some recent immigrants from Asia are not literate in English. There aren't many Chinese or Hindi or Punjabi or Urdu versions of Windows and websites in Vancouver, and cell phones almost always have English UI, so using technology to access trip info from TransLink is pretty much out of the question. Another potential problem that I see is the number of route deviations there are for some routes... 12 for C26 and 11 for 160... isn't there a way to simplify all of that? >.< The number-letter system may still help however in telling people about route deviations if we tell people what those diversions are. There might be a little learning curve to adjust to the new system but learning curves always exist when things change - there are people in the system that still put in tickets into the ticket machines the wrong way at times. Here is one idea that could build on this: multilingual info cards onboard buses that have timetables and route maps and that highlight route diversions with the letter system. There is some truth into the fact that the system isn't entirely "broken" so TransLink will probably not implement this... but it's something to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nname Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I think using a 1-letter suffix is actually much easier to identify a bus than reading the entire destination sign (and sometimes the side sign too). If you can't really read English, would you think it is easier to take the "9 UBC" or just the "9U", or take the "160 Poco Stn Express" with the side sign "via Guildford" or just "160G". Bus route suffix are used all over the world, for instance, in Toronto (ie. 85, 85A, 85B, 85C, 85D, 85F, 85G, 85H, 85J) and Hong Kong (ie. 5, 5B, 5C, 5P, 5S, 5X). Another problem with the current signage is that some route is just too complicated that there is no way to display all route information onto the display. For the 160 example I gave before, only the "Barnet" or "Guildford" info is displayed on the side sign of the bus, and you kind of have to know that all WB trips before 8:30am will go through Clarke. As for stopping at Port Moody station, it's just a pure guessing game. Another example would be the 410. The destination sign tells you the terminus of the route (Railway, Richmond Ctr, Queensboro, or 22nd Street), and whether the bus go to Fraserwood or not. But there are actually 2 different routings in the Railway portion, and it is not shown on the bus (its not on the paper schedule too!). Btw, as for the number of deviations, route 410 should also come near the top of the list with 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
translink Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I think using a 1-letter suffix is actually much easier to identify a bus than reading the entire destination sign (and sometimes the side sign too). If you can't really read English, would you think it is easier to take the "9 UBC" or just the "9U", or take the "160 Poco Stn Express" with the side sign "via Guildford" or just "160G". Bus route suffix are used all over the world, for instance, in Toronto (ie. 85, 85A, 85B, 85C, 85D, 85F, 85G, 85H, 85J) and Hong Kong (ie. 5, 5B, 5C, 5P, 5S, 5X).Another problem with the current signage is that some route is just too complicated that there is no way to display all route information onto the display. For the 160 example I gave before, only the "Barnet" or "Guildford" info is displayed on the side sign of the bus, and you kind of have to know that all WB trips before 8:30am will go through Clarke. As for stopping at Port Moody station, it's just a pure guessing game. Another example would be the 410. The destination sign tells you the terminus of the route (Railway, Richmond Ctr, Queensboro, or 22nd Street), and whether the bus go to Fraserwood or not. But there are actually 2 different routings in the Railway portion, and it is not shown on the bus (its not on the paper schedule too!). Btw, as for the number of deviations, route 410 should also come near the top of the list with 9. It doesn't matter what you do with the sign's you go into chinatown and nobody speaks english and even then you'll notice that sometimes the little grandmas are pointing at the signs. But when you do get that one rare person that asks you "does bus go skytrain station" "which bus i take go downtown" even when the sign clearly says that it goes downtown just have to shake your head and wonder "why can't you just learn to read english, it would make life so much easyer". Plus Toronto and Hong Kong have been doing that for a few years if we started that now you have to have to reprint all the schedules, reprogram all the signs and change all 1000+ signs at the bus stops. Then you have to tell all the drivers of the changes, but seriously why mess with something that works, and i doubt that translink would be willing to do that when they just had every driver sign up for their routes for the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Ferries Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 It doesn't matter what you do with the sign's you go into chinatown and nobody speaks english and even then you'll notice that sometimes the little grandmas are pointing at the signs. But when you do get that one rare person that asks you "does bus go skytrain station" "which bus i take go downtown" even when the sign clearly says that it goes downtown just have to shake your head and wonder "why can't you just learn to read english, it would make life so much easyer". Plus Toronto and Hong Kong have been doing that for a few years if we started that now you have to have to reprint all the schedules, reprogram all the signs and change all 1000+ signs at the bus stops. Then you have to tell all the drivers of the changes, but seriously why mess with something that works, and i doubt that translink would be willing to do that when they just had every driver sign up for their routes for the summer. When you are going southbound on Main Street, with the exception of the 19, I wouldn't know if the 3 Main or the 8 Fraser went to or through a Skytrain Station if I was a tourist. Please explain to me who a person not from this city can figure that out without looking at a map or asking for help. The 22 Knight travelling on Pender doesn't go throught a skytrain station. Plus on Main Street the sign Downtown is decieving. Pay attention to the 3 Downtown, until recently for about 2 years the 3 terminated in Chinatown on Cordova yet the sign was never changed and always read Dowtown. So how is someone asking if a bus on Main street goes downtown rediculous? For those who wanted to go to Grandville and take the 3 Downtown back then would figure that they can't get anywhere close to Grandville yet the 8 Downtown will. So it is fair to say that one who takes the 8 Downtown to the Mall would expect the 3 Downtown to take you there too because both buses have the same destination on the sign. Does this sound like a signage system that works? I don't think so. There are many other examples where our sinage system is confusing. The 29 Elliott does not terminale on Elliott. The 10 Hastings is also decieving as Hastings stretches well into Burnaby before Barnett. There are 2 major terminus on Hastings, Kootenay Loop and Hastings and Willingdon. So how can someone tell how far along Hastings the 10 may go? Tanslink didn't seem to have a problem changing over 1800 signs from the BC Transit days did they? Where you want people to learn English or not, Canada is a multiculture country and Vancouver one of those multicultural countries. Canada encourages multicultralism. There will always be a group of people in a big city who cannot read and/or speak english and theres no way to go around that. All the others are suggesting is to make the signs easier for them to read. For a english illiterate person who needs to go to UBC on 41st Ave., seeing a 41A to Crown for example would mean the bus does not travel the full length of the route. English illiterate groups can notice single letters without any problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
translink Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 When you are going southbound on Main Street, with the exception of the 19, I wouldn't know if the 3 Main or the 8 Fraser went to or through a Skytrain Station if I was a tourist. Please explain to me who a person not from this city can figure that out without looking at a map or asking for help. The 22 Knight travelling on Pender doesn't go throught a skytrain station. Plus on Main Street the sign Downtown is decieving. Pay attention to the 3 Downtown, until recently for about 2 years the 3 terminated in Chinatown on Cordova yet the sign was never changed and always read Dowtown. So how is someone asking if a bus on Main street goes downtown rediculous? For those who wanted to go to Grandville and take the 3 Downtown back then would figure that they can't get anywhere close to Grandville yet the 8 Downtown will. So it is fair to say that one who takes the 8 Downtown to the Mall would expect the 3 Downtown to take you there too because both buses have the same destination on the sign. Does this sound like a signage system that works? I don't think so. There are many other examples where our sinage system is confusing. The 29 Elliott does not terminale on Elliott. The 10 Hastings is also decieving as Hastings stretches well into Burnaby before Barnett. There are 2 major terminus on Hastings, Kootenay Loop and Hastings and Willingdon. So how can someone tell how far along Hastings the 10 may go? Tanslink didn't seem to have a problem changing over 1800 signs from the BC Transit days did they?Where you want people to learn English or not, Canada is a multiculture country and Vancouver one of those multicultural countries. Canada encourages multicultralism. There will always be a group of people in a big city who cannot read and/or speak english and theres no way to go around that. All the others are suggesting is to make the signs easier for them to read. For a english illiterate person who needs to go to UBC on 41st Ave., seeing a 41A to Crown for example would mean the bus does not travel the full length of the route. English illiterate groups can notice single letters without any problem. Well when you put it that way... Adding a letter to the end of a number would make sense. Kinda like how in san Francisco they have a regular 38 geary and a 38x geary express. But then you have buses that go to 12 different places but have the same route, I don't know how they would put letters on it. In a way I guess they could go right through the alphabet. Posted from my BlackBerry® smartphone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Ferries Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Well when you put it that way... Adding a letter to the end of a number would make sense. Kinda like how in san Francisco they have a regular 38 geary and a 38x geary express. But then you have buses that go to 12 different places but have the same route, I don't know how they would put letters on it. In a way I guess they could go right through the alphabet. Posted from my BlackBerry® smartphone You have 14 letters to spare lol haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millennium2002 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 no... isn't it more like 26? =P For sure there won't be a route with 26 route deviations (that would be just plain crazy on TransLink's part). - Allan Kuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 160 Vancouver via Barnet160 Port Coquitlam Stn via Barnet 160C Vancouver via Barnet, Clarke 160PC Vancouver via Barnet, Port Moody Stn, Clarke 160GC Vancouver via Guildford, Clarke 160PGC Vancouver via Guildford, Port Moody Stn, Clarke 160G Port Coquitlam Stn via Guildford 160PG Port Coquitlam Stn via Port Moody Stn, Guildford 160P Port Coquitlam Stn via Port Moody Stn, Barnet 160Q Coquitlam Stn via Guildford 160K Kootenay Loop They keep changing, and I think some of them doesn't exist anymore, but there should be at least 6-8 different routings at any given time. Hmm.. I wonder if we can simplify this a little bit... That sounds about right. Which eastbound 160 trips stop at Port Moody Stn? Do they still do that? schedule. I remember them doing that in the past, but now that I take the train, there never seems to be a 160 that connects with it, except for the ones that start at Port Moody Stn. Would the 190 have to become a 160x or 160xC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathay 888 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 That sounds about right. Which eastbound 160 trips stop at Port Moody Stn? Do they still do that? schedule. I remember them doing that in the past, but now that I take the train, there never seems to be a 160 that connects with it, except for the ones that start at Port Moody Stn. Would the 190 have to become a 160x or 160xC? That's not bad idea, apparently I still have some revised suggestion for the branches of 160~~ 160 Vancouver via Barnet 160 Port Coquitlam Stn via Barnet 160A Vancouver via Guildford 160A Port Coquitlam Stn via Guildford 160B Kootenay Loop 160P Vancouver via: Clarke (From PoCo Stn/Coq Stn) 160P Coquitlam Stn via Guildford (From Port Moody Station) 160X Vancouver Express (Replace 190) 160X Coquitlam Station Express (Replace 190) However, I have few more suggestion for some of the Burnaby/New West services 106 Metrotown Station via: Edmonds Stn 106 New West Station via Edmonds Stn 106A Metrotown Station (Omit Edmonds) 106A New West Station (Omit Edmonds) 110 Lougheed Station 110 Metrotown Station 110A Sperling Station (Only the last trip from Lougheed Station) 112 Lougheed Station 112 Edmonds Station 112A New West Station 112B Metrotown Station 112B Lougheed Station via: Edmonds Stn 130 Metrotown Station 130 Kootenay Loop 130A Hastings (Pender @ Willingdon) 130B Phibbs Exchange 130B Metrotown Station via: Kootenay Loop 130P Capilano University via: Phibbs Exchange 130P Metrotown Station via: Phibbs Exchange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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