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Dev of TTC Watch replied to my email and said the back end server information was changed without notice, apparently. He made the change and the updated app is awaiting App Store review process.

Edit: TTC Watch has been updated, appeard in the App Store this morning. works fine again.

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Forgive me for asking such a rudimentary question, but I'm trying to avoid the Lawrence-St. Clair closure tomorrow and am not sure which option would be the most reliable to get from Yonge/Eglinton to Parkdale.

Should I take the 32 to Caledonia and then transfer to the 47 all the way down; take the 32 over to the Spadina Line, subway down to Osgoode and take the 501 replacement bus, or should I take the shuttle bus to St. Clair, then the Yonge subway to Queen, and then the 501 replacement bus?

I'm leaning towards the third option, but am wondering about the reliability of the others.

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9 hours ago, blue.bird.fan said:

Forgive me for asking such a rudimentary question, but I'm trying to avoid the Lawrence-St. Clair closure tomorrow and am not sure which option would be the most reliable to get from Yonge/Eglinton to Parkdale.

Should I take the 32 to Caledonia and then transfer to the 47 all the way down; take the 32 over to the Spadina Line, subway down to Osgoode and take the 501 replacement bus, or should I take the shuttle bus to St. Clair, then the Yonge subway to Queen, and then the 501 replacement bus?

I'm leaning towards the third option, but am wondering about the reliability of the others.

The 32 would be the best because Caledonia is one (if not, the only one) of the few intersecting roads with transit service that does not have an insane amount of construction and stop relocation to transfer buses. Biggest block though... Eglinton West Station with the Allen traffic.

 

Might I suggest the 13 to St. Clair, then 512 to Lansdowne?
Or perhaps 13 to Museum, Line 1 to Osgoode and take the 501 west?
You could also do the 61 or 97A/F (pickup up the hill at Broadway if you can) instead to Lawrence and 52 across then 47B down if you don't mind enlarging your trip.

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Anyone know why TTC replaced the original rotating doors to the older subway stations in the last decade even before they made the station accessible?

Were these type of doors not user friendly or have mobility issues?

Example below the middle door:

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6782645,-79.3522078,3a,55.1y,274.78h,84.98t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snRHoQyFQkjVSHXEc36ARnA!2e0!5s20110801T000000!7i13312!8i6656

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1 hour ago, Orion V said:

Anyone know why TTC replaced the original rotating doors to the older subway stations in the last decade even before they made the station accessible?

Were these type of doors not user friendly or have mobility issues?

Example below the middle door:

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6782645,-79.3522078,3a,55.1y,274.78h,84.98t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snRHoQyFQkjVSHXEc36ARnA!2e0!5s20110801T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Accessibility is most likely why, since the goal is to have all the stations fully accessible, those doors certainly were not.

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14 hours ago, Orion V said:

Anyone know why TTC replaced the original rotating doors to the older subway stations in the last decade even before they made the station accessible?

Were these type of doors not user friendly or have mobility issues?

Example below the middle door:

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6782645,-79.3522078,3a,55.1y,274.78h,84.98t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snRHoQyFQkjVSHXEc36ARnA!2e0!5s20110801T000000!7i13312!8i6656

The doors were designed to allow for easy opening despite the rise and fall of the air pressure inside the structure as the trains passed in the tunnels below, but still prevent most of the outside air and weather from rushing in.

 

And while they did that reasonably well, they were also heavy and cumbersome, and frankly difficult for a lot of people to use. I remember seeing lots of young children straining trying to open them for adults, and not being able to budge them. I remember seeing lots of adults struggle to open them to get into or out of the subway.

 

While their removal may not have been celebrated, their loss has made for a system that is easier to access. To put it mildly, they were shite.

 

Dan

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I brought this up cause I recently saw a video walkthrough of Montreal and noticed STM Metro stations still uses these type of rotating doors. It brought back memories of the 90/2000s when TTC used them.

STM Metro must be really behind in the times! lol

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1 hour ago, Orion V said:

I brought this up cause I recently saw a video walkthrough of Montreal and noticed STM Metro stations still uses these type of rotating doors. It brought back memories of the 90/2000s when TTC used them.

STM Metro must be really behind in the times! lol

They really aren’t. The stations are well built compared to that of TTC’s. More artistically influenced and they definitely don’t put up with the bs that we deal with in Toronto. If I were to compare STM to TTC, I’d give STM the upper hand

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12 hours ago, bus_7246 said:

They really aren’t. The stations are well built compared to that of TTC’s. More artistically influenced and they definitely don’t put up with the bs that we deal with in Toronto. If I were to compare STM to TTC, I’d give STM the upper hand

Maybe this is just me being pragmatic, but if it was just down to the two choices I'd much rather have Toronto's much higher capacity than their architectural beauty.

 

Pretty places are nice to have, but if they can't move people than they're kind of pointless.

 

Dan

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16 hours ago, bus_7246 said:

They really aren’t. The stations are well built compared to that of TTC’s. More artistically influenced and they definitely don’t put up with the bs that we deal with in Toronto. If I were to compare STM to TTC, I’d give STM the upper hand

In regard to accessibility, they’re wayyy behind us.

18 minutes ago, Shaun said:

Who said they’re not promasters?

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4 hours ago, smallspy said:

Maybe this is just me being pragmatic, but if it was just down to the two choices I'd much rather have Toronto's much higher capacity than their architectural beauty.

 

Pretty places are nice to have, but if they can't move people than they're kind of pointless.

 

Dan

I’m not sure why it has to be a binary one or the other choice though.  You could do a high capacity subway with nice stations but the problem is the legacy of Toronto’s Puritan tyrannical frugalness.  The city is collectively too cheap to spend money to have nice things.

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45 minutes ago, Shaun said:

Thanks. No ford chassis I presume?

I havent read the specs but i would assume the ProMaster chassis but that could change.

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9 hours ago, G.A said:

I havent read the specs but i would assume the ProMaster chassis but that could change.

The pilot bus that the TTC has in service already, W700, is a ProMaster. In addition to all the smaller ProMasters they already have in the fleet, I see no reason as to why they'd change the order to a Ford chassis.

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On 7/23/2021 at 1:08 PM, Wayside Observer said:

I’m not sure why it has to be a binary one or the other choice though.  You could do a high capacity subway with nice stations but the problem is the legacy of Toronto’s Puritan tyrannical frugalness.  The city is collectively too cheap to spend money to have nice things.

Oh, no doubt. But if people want to make it an either/or, well......

 

And to be fair, we as a City finally seemed to start doing better in the late 1970s. So, you know, after 2+ decades of collective mediocrity on the transit front, and centuries as a community.

 

And as Bus_Medic correctly pointed out, we're also light-years ahead of them in terms of accessibility. (Not to say that the TTC is perfect, they're anything but. At least they seem to have a plan that they are working towards.)

 

Dan

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15 hours ago, smallspy said:

And as Bus_Medic correctly pointed out, we're also light-years ahead of them in terms of accessibility. (Not to say that the TTC is perfect, they're anything but. At least they seem to have a plan that they are working towards.)

 

The Parisian design, with (mostly) side platforms will definitely increase the cost of accessibility. Paris has also had significant trouble with accessibility: Lines 1-13 are not accessible at all.

 

The system with the best design IMO is Berlin. Their stations are very utilitarian. The lack of gates has allowed them to build stations without mezzanines, and the near-universal use of centre platforms has allowed them to make their entire system accessible without costing too much. Most stations have two entrances at both ends of the platform (with ticket machines and validators on the platform), and the elevator is in the middle, going directly to street level.

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The TTC is doing some sort of track/overhead work on Queen St East, and the 501 & 503 streetcars are replaced by buses.

The 501 buses track on the various apps, but 503 buses do not. Anyone know if there's a way to track them?

Edit: I'm curious if the 503 shuttle buses are just maybe 2-3 RAD buses, since it's only from Bingham Loop to the Coxwell loop. RAD buses never seem to track on the system even if they are displaying the route sign.

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1 hour ago, MK78 said:

The TTC is doing some sort of track/overhead work on Queen St East, and the 501 & 503 streetcars are replaced by buses.

The 501 buses track on the various apps, but 503 buses do not. Anyone know if there's a way to track them?

There is no way to track the extra buses. Nextbus and the various apps can only track scheduled service; since 501 is scheduled to run (partially) with buses, those scheduled buses will continue to show, although they are not operating "on time" because they are running an extended distance from what their original schedules listed. This is most obvious with buses that are east of Broadview or on the detour between Bay and University; these buses will track as "0" direction or "off route" because they're not following the normal route/schedule, and the apps have no idea what to do with these buses.

No buses will show up on the 503 because that route was not scheduled to run with buses this board period. So the 503 buses have no runs to log into, and the apps have no idea to look for them because they're not in the schedules. There are also extra buses on the 501 that are not tracking, again because they were not part of the original schedules, but are required due to the extended length of the route.

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Thanks. What a mess. Why can't they just allow the buses to show without a schedule during a replacement service like this? VISION is not so smart, is it.

10 days of not being able to see when a vehicle is coming. I never look at schedules anyway, just a visual check of a vehicle in proximity of my stop.

 

Leslie Street to Woodbine Avenue – July 26 to August 5, 2021

During this 10-day period, streetcars will be replaced with buses on Queen and Kingston routes to accommodate overhead upgrade work and rail repair work between this section of Queen Street East.

 

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This is a limitation on nextbus not vision. There’s no way of displaying arrival time if it’s not scheduled. Sure a bus could use the streetcar run number and be trackable but that has to be doing the full route and in the right place.

I don’t know if it’s possible to just create additional runs on the schedule for these construction periods. If nothing shows up I assume the tracker won’t go haywire

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36 minutes ago, PCC Guy said:

Does it? You can track a vehicle if it's short turning while it's on the regular portion of its route, isn't it?

With some of the apps, you can see vehicles that are signed in, but off-route, or completely the wrong place.. So if nothing is coming soon, I check that too, if I think something odd is going on.

I'm not sure why each route can't simply have a dummy run that's always in the dataset, isn't scheduled anywhere real, and vehicles sign into when doing some line of bustitution, etc.

It's been a decade now, and they still shouldn't be struggling trying to implement something.

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