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What’s everyone’s least favourite bus route in Toronto? Mine’s the 94

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On 7/12/2020 at 2:47 PM, John Oke said:

What’s everyone’s least favourite bus route in Toronto? Mine’s the 94

Sure i'll play:

-80 Queensway is a joke with its 30 minute headways

-52 Lawrence West has one of the most irreliable service i've seen out of any route in the city

-501 Queen as the TTC still cant operate the route properly along the central portion

*These are all pre-pandemic notes

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3 hours ago, lip said:

-52 Lawrence West has one of the most irreliable service i've seen out of any route in the city

Irreliable, eh?   That is a new word. :)

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23 minutes ago, Mike said:

Irreliable, eh?   That is a new word. :)

Guess I can be pretty innovative every now and again, I'll be sure to submit to Webster's Dictionary for consideration.

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Question on routes shared by two divisions: Since Mount Dennis opened, apart from the 35/95 and Blue Night/Streetcar shuttles, why did the TTC stopped from having two divisions from operating one route (e.g., 54) or branches of a route (e.g. 7/7G at Wilson, 7A/B at Davenport). 

How does the TTC run daytime bus routes that are shared between two divisions? For example, before 2008: 32 EGLINTON WEST/52 LAWRENCE WEST (Queensway/Wilson), 37 ISLINGTON/45 KIPLING (Arrow/Queensway), 54 LAWRENCE EAST (Comstock/Malvern), 60 STEELES WEST (Arrow/Wilson), 77 SWANSEA/79 SCARLETT ROAD (Arrow/Queensway) 110 ISLINGTON SOUTH (Arrow/Queensway) and 87 COSBURN/113 DANFORTH (Birchmount/Comstock).

Even if McNicoll opens, will the post-2008 arrangement remain unchanged to have one route operate only in one division? Perhaps I do not see shared daytime routes are being reintroduced anytime soon.

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1 hour ago, Express Network said:

Question on routes shared by two divisions: Since Mount Dennis opened, apart from the 35/95 and Blue Night/Streetcar shuttles, why did the TTC stopped from having two divisions from operating one route (e.g., 54) or branches of a route (e.g. 7/7G at Wilson, 7A/B at Davenport). 

How does the TTC run daytime bus routes that are shared between two divisions? For example, before 2008: 32 EGLINTON WEST/52 LAWRENCE WEST (Queensway/Wilson), 37 ISLINGTON/45 KIPLING (Arrow/Queensway), 54 LAWRENCE EAST (Comstock/Malvern), 60 STEELES WEST (Arrow/Wilson), 77 SWANSEA/79 SCARLETT ROAD (Arrow/Queensway) 110 ISLINGTON SOUTH (Arrow/Queensway) and 87 COSBURN/113 DANFORTH (Birchmount/Comstock).

Even if McNicoll opens, will the post-2008 arrangement remain unchanged to have one route operate only in one division? Perhaps I do not see shared daytime routes are being reintroduced anytime soon.

From what I have heard (from operators), it has to do with the fact that the TTC now prefers to use street changes (instead of short-turns) to get vehicles back on time when they are running late. Operating routes out of a single division gives supervisors maximum flexibility, as it ensures that all operators on the route are qualified to operate all bus models on the route.

 

For example, in the case of the 95 York Mills, Malvern operators may not be trained on the VII diesels, and Wilson operators may not be trained on LFS hybrids. This would impose an operational constraint, as it makes certain street changes impossible compared to keeping the route at one division.

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9 hours ago, Someguy3071 said:

Short turns still happen but not very often. 

It's mostly as a result of accident-related delays, etc., these days.

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19 hours ago, TTC103 said:

From what I have heard (from operators), it has to do with the fact that the TTC now prefers to use street changes (instead of short-turns) to get vehicles back on time when they are running late. Operating routes out of a single division gives supervisors maximum flexibility, as it ensures that all operators on the route are qualified to operate all bus models on the route.

 

For example, in the case of the 95 York Mills, Malvern operators may not be trained on the VII diesels, and Wilson operators may not be trained on LFS hybrids. This would impose an operational constraint, as it makes certain street changes impossible compared to keeping the route at one division.

you forgot each division has stand by buses to do the Street changeover if needed.  

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Does anyone think that the TTC will meet the September 2022 deadline for ATC completion on Line 1? I kind of doubt it but who knows. Currently ATC is between Vaughan and Queen with expected extension up to Rosedale in November of this year and then from Rosedale to Eglinton in November 2021 and then completion in September 2021 from Eglinton to Finch. 

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TTC GM NEW LOOK ARTIC?

 

Question?

I know the TTC had GM New Look Artics back in the 1980's just like Ottawa, Hamilton & Mississauga I know when they first got them they had silver stainless steel lower panels.(I believe)

 

But?

Later did some get all white lower panels(I'm guessing after rebuild?) I saw a pic but I can't tell if the lower half is white or stainless steel silver panels? the angle of the pic is hard to tell?

 

The reason I ask is I got 3 Gm New Look artics 1:43 scale models from Vector Metal Works Models 2 OC Transpo(Red Stripe 8201 & 8222  paint scheme )1 Mississauga paint scheme. I want to do the last one in TTC colours either in silver lower half or if they have white in lower half? Not sure yet which to do it in? 

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2 hours ago, MCIBUS said:

TTC GM NEW LOOK ARTIC?

 

Question?

I know the TTC had GM New Look Artics back in the 1980's just like Ottawa, Hamilton & Mississauga I know when they first got them they had silver stainless steel lower panels.(I believe)

 

But?

Later did some get all white lower panels(I'm guessing after rebuild?) I saw a pic but I can't tell if the lower half is white or stainless steel silver panels? the angle of the pic is hard to tell?

 

The reason I ask is I got 3 Gm New Look artics 1:43 scale models from Vector Metal Works Models 2 OC Transpo(Red Stripe 8201 & 8222  paint scheme )1 Mississauga paint scheme. I want to do the last one in TTC colours either in silver lower half or if they have white in lower half? Not sure yet which to do it in? 

They were purged from the fleet by the mid 1980s and never received any paint mods from original.

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Thanks. At least now I have only one choice Silver Stainless steel lower half?

Thanks Bus_Medic

That makes my choice easier.

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14 hours ago, MCIBUS said:

Thanks. At least now I have only one choice Silver Stainless steel lower half?

Thanks Bus_Medic

That makes my choice easier.

The panels weren't stainless steel. They were stamped aluminum. That's why they were usually unpainted - and why they needed to be shaped with the fluting.

 

Dan

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Did any of the buses built from 1981 received the yellow “PLEASE YIELD” stickers? If so, I believe these buses from #8520-#8561 and #8380-#8486 were the first to get one or it just the next order.

When did the TTC start putting up the yield stickers on their buses?

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On 7/31/2020 at 11:38 PM, bus_7246 said:

@MCIBUS try using the pics on this page: 

https://public.fotki.com/esbdave/canadian-transit/ontario-transit-agencies/ttc/page33.html

They aren’t the best lit pictures, but there are other fleets of newlooks to compare with

Thanks for posting that link.  I enjoyed a lot of the other pictures on there as well as the GM artics.

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It looks like the city has begun installing the bus only lanes on Morningside Ave. Earlier this week I noticed faint lines drawn in the curb lanes between Kingston Rd and West Hill Collegiate that seem to be outlining where the red paint would go. Today morning they had converted the northbound curb lane approaching Kingston Rd to right turns only as well as painted the northbound curb lane from Kingston Rd to the 12D/905/334 farside stop (about two bus lengths) red.

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According to @Robert Lubinski's allocation sheets dated to 1988, it would appear the Flyer D901 batches from 1981 and 1986 were allocated to the following garages:

1981 (8380-8476)
- 8380-8413: Queensway
- 8414: Eglinton
- 8415-8449: Wilson
- 8450-8455: Eglinton
- 8456: Queensway
- 8457-8476: Eglinton

Gray Coach (8477-8486)
- 8477-8481: Eglinton
- 8482-8486: Queensway 

1985 (6000-6122)
- 6000-6021: Wilson
- 6022-6047: Queensway
- 6048-6072: Eglinton
- 6073-6085: Malvern
- 6086-6097: Birchmount 
- 6098-6109: Malvern
- 6110-6122: Birchmount

1986 (6130-6204)
- 6130-6149: Wilson
- 6150-6159: Eglinton
- 6160-6174: Birchmount
- 6175-6184: Queensway
- 6185-6204: Malvern

Where did the 1981 D901s ended up delivered originally to various garages apart from the Gray Coach group which was assigned to Lakeshore? Which divisions that the 1985-86 D901s were allocated to as delivered? If the list mentioned above from 1985-86 is correct or not were the allocations for #6000-#6122, #6130-#6204, let me know.

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Anyone know if the TTC day passes (old paper versions that were discontinued Nov 2019) are still valid for the 2 adults on weekends?

I still have a few that I couldn't use up due to covid and wonder if they can still be used?

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4 hours ago, Cityflyer said:

Anyone know if the TTC day passes (old paper versions that were discontinued Nov 2019) are still valid for the 2 adults on weekends?

I still have a few that I couldn't use up due to covid and wonder if they can still be used?

Yes ... tokens and tickets too ... and I found a couple more the other day. They are yet to set a day when they end.

See this page - https://www.ttc.ca/News/2019/October/23_10_19NR_StopSellTokens.jsp and the note at the top of https://www.ttc.ca/Fares_and_passes/Fare_information/index.jsp

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2 hours ago, Doppelkupplung said:

Have some Nova hybrids been reprogrammed to rev up for regen on braking? Similar to MiWay's

I’ve noticed this with the XDE60’s with Brampton Transit as well. (Different bus, I know. But same hybrid powertrain)

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1 hour ago, bus_7246 said:

I’ve noticed this with the XDE60’s with Brampton Transit as well. (Different bus, I know. But same hybrid powertrain)

Aren't those parallel hybrids? How can those rev up? Engine must be mechanically linked to the wheels right?

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